Found Deceased KS - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #22 *Arrest*

[Amonet]

I wonder why he was removed. Could it have to do with his upcoming trial? Or potentially incriminating himself for possible further charges against him? I do think he has an attorney now.

I'm thinking that the ADA doesn't want JH cross-examined by defense.

From watching the trial of Michael McCarthy for the murder of Bella Bond, I learned that to put in a piece of evidence a person has to take the stand, so the original plan was likely to be to call JH to the stand, introduce the messages with EG's intent to smoke and go to EG and have the ADA read out EG's side of the conversation while JH reads out his own side of the conversation. But if the prosecution put JH on the stand, then the defense gets the right to cross-examine. The whole thing puts JH in an awkward position, he's been publicly been playing the "I'll support EG if she's innocent" card but he's also removed all her photos from his FB and there's now JO saying that JH admitted to her that he thought EG was guilty.

So, the ADA can just use a police officer to go through those messages between EG and JH, and introduce the messages to evidence that way. It makes things a lot simpler.

That's just my conjecture about the reasoning and how they'll get around it, I could be wrong, but I think it's fair conjecture.

 

[Amonet]

I’m listening to the podcast again because I was second guessing myself on what I heard the first time.

Re: the Valentine’s Day lie. According to JO, Emily told the police that she(EG) felt bad for JO, so EG & JO exchanged Valentine’s Day gifts.

Not that JO exchanged gifts with Lucas.


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I can hear EG in my head: "I was just being nice..."

I struggled with that part of what JO had said and had thought she was saying EG told LE that they exchanged Lucas on VD. Hmm

 

[PetDetective]

I can hear EG in my head: "I was just being nice..."

I struggled with that part of what JO had said and had thought she was saying EG told LE that they exchanged Lucas on VD. Hmm

The first time I listened, I thought she said that she and JO exchanged gifts, but then I kept reading people’s comments here referring to JO exchanging gifts with Lucas. So I had to go listen again and I’m 100% sure she said EG told police that she exchanged gifts with JO.

When JO started to tell the story she chuckled then explained that the reason she was laughing was she found it funny how ridiculous EG’s story was.


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[Niner]

Tuesday, May 15th:
*Trial set to begin (@ 9am CT) – KS – Lucas Allen Hernandez (5) (missing Feb. 17, 2018; not found yet) – Emily Ann-Marie Glass (26) (stepmom) charged (2/26/18) with 1 count of child endangerment (of 1 year old, for Feb. 16th, day before Lucas was reported missing; suspected of drug use). There are 2 other charges of Child Endangerment with warrant drawn on booking page; bond stays at $50K, per Judge on 3/14/18.
Might be delayed re Ruling on Motion to Suppress on 5/18/18. Judge ruled on 5/13/18 :denied: Motion to Suppress. 5/18/18 hearing canceled.
Originally arrested (2/21/18) for 2 counts of child endangerment.
Judge O’Connor said he will leave up to another judge who is handing a child-in-need-of-care case involving the 1-year-old whether Glass can have contact with that child. 4/27/18: The stepmother and caregiver of a 5-year-old Wichita boy missing for more than two months lost custody of her 1-year-old daughter on Friday. Sedgwick County juvenile court Judge Kevin Smith found that Emily Glass’ daughter is, under state law, a “child in need of care.” The designation puts the girl in the custody of the secretary for the Kansas Department for Children and Families. The agency will decide where the child will live. The girl had already been placed in police protective custody.
Jury selection was on 5/14. Opening Statements & Testimony should start today.
5/15/18 Update: Jonathan has been removed from the witness list and will not be testifying.



Not really sure IF it starts at 9am....

Here are the tweeters' links I have of those that DID report on this case:


https://twitter.com/KaitlynAlanis

https://twitter.com/KansasLily

https://twitter.com/AmyReneeLeiker

https://twitter.com/timpotter59

he ^^ is the only one that tweeted on May 11 about this case.

and

https://twitter.com/ChrisArnoldKSN


I won't be able to make it over here, as I'm posting tweets over at the Friedli case thread. nline:

 

[JulesinOz]

I think the difference is JO doesn't have the emotional connection with EG that JH does. I believe JH does KNOW EG killed Lucas on some level, but he desperately doesn't WANT to believe it.

Living in a relationship with a manipulative/abusive person can wreak havoc on your brain and logic doesn't really help you step out of that until your connection is severed with that person. JO said it quite succinctly, I believe. While EG was in the 72-hour hold, JH was beginning to come to grips with reality, but as soon as he was able to be in contact with her again, he reverted back to denial.

I can't begin to imagine what it would take to come to terms with the fact that you personally brought someone into your little guys life and denied, denied, denied the reality of what was happening until it was too late. That's going to take some time for JH to digest and be honest with himself about.

UPDATED THOUGHT: I'm sure if faced with believing JO kidnapped Lucas and he might still be alive or faced with the reality that he could have saved his son if he had just been honest with himself earlier---it's natural that he would fight to believe the former. This idea seems to explain, in my mind, the awkward body language of the initial interview with JH and JO, where he seemed to go back and forth with statements implying he thought Lucas would be found and realizing Lucas was gone. JO already knew the truth, while JH was fighting it. The pain and heartbreak in each of them is so obvious it makes me weep.

http://www.kwch.com/content/news/Lu...about-the-search-for-their-son-475069363.html

Obviously, this is just my opinion--I don't know any of the involved parties and am filtering through my own life experience lens.

It seems so hard to reconcile the two seemingly opposing beliefs held by JO and JH regarding Lucas fate when they both have the same information. JO from what she has said believes Lucas is gone from this world and EG is responsible. JH, from what we’ve heard here, doesn’t believe EG killed Lucas or at least if he does he would still welcome her home. If JO holds her belief based on information she was given but JH is of a different opinion with I’m assuming the same information what am I missing? Well I guess that’s a silly question, we are all obviously missing a lot or we wouldn’t be here. I mean, I guess I’m wondering if there was some evidence of Lucas demise at the house that convinced JO, does JH think some completely different person no one knows of, is responsible? Sorry if my thought process seems convoluted.

 

[JulesinOz]

We're on the same page. Her cousin, from what I have read, also has court tomorrow (well, now today, I suppose!) . Should be an interesting day.

For some reason, I'm remembering the cousin's court date as later in the month--the 22nd or 23rd? I could be wrong, but I thought she received another continuance.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

You're good here! Always like to read your posts.:loveyou:

I'm not sure I'm following what you mean. Why did it take them 3 days to arrest her?

Imo

During that time she was being interviewed. The DA WAS PROBABLY INVOLVED PRETTY QUICKLY AS WAS THE FBI.

LE GETS guidance from the DA with respect to the best evidence needed to proceed with CE charges. At this point they have also determined she was most likely responsuble for the terrible abuse and LUCAS disappearance.

They arrested her post lie detector exam, after the FBI team made a fact based decision of her guilt, and charged her with the lesser charge OF CE. LE knew by that time she had few friends and family, had the multiple issues with her own children and honestly knew they were looking into the eyes of a monster.

On the outside monsters appear normal, but the FBI CARD TEAM are highly trained to recognize the characteristics of monsters. EG had a run of the mill story, had a clear record if abusive behavior and fit the profile. EG May have thought she was smarter than the team assembled to interview her, but she’s mistaken.

She is going to be tried, found guilty and after serving time, additional charges will be filed against her.

In the meantime LE is hoping LUCAS is found.

This entire group of people are a sad example of a low lifes vthat should never have kids. They are for the most part irresponsible and can’t nurture and lI’ve their kids. Most use drugs and many draw welfare. Sad. A child like LUCAS could have broken out of those things and been an adult star. We will never know.

 

[kkdj]

I’m listening to the podcast again because I was second guessing myself on what I heard the first time.

Re: the Valentine’s Day lie. According to JO, Emily told the police that she(EG) felt bad for JO, so EG & JO exchanged Valentine’s Day gifts.

Not that JO exchanged gifts with Lucas.


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Oh brother. EG felt sorry for the strangers too, outside her home in the early morning hours and invited them in. She was just trying to be nice. Why does she say these ridiculous things about just trying to be nice to others when they're just lies! Who invites total strangers in? Who exchanges gifts with someone you say punched you in the face? What odd suggestions. This really makes me think she's a socioapath as she doesn't get how people really behave. She's just putting on a show how she thinks impress others. What a crock!

 

[kkdj]

Imo

During that time she was being interviewed. The DA WAS PROBABLY INVOLVED PRETTY QUICKLY AS WAS THE FBI.

LE GETS guidance from the DA with respect to the best evidence needed to proceed with CE charges. At this point they have also determined she was most likely responsuble for the terrible abuse and LUCAS disappearance.

They arrested her post lie detector exam, after the FBI team made a fact based decision of her guilt, and charged her with the lesser charge OF CE. LE knew by that time she had few friends and family, had the multiple issues with her own children and honestly knew they were looking into the eyes of a monster.

On the outside monsters appear normal, but the FBI CARD TEAM are highly trained to recognize the characteristics of monsters. EG had a run of the mill story, had a clear record if abusive behavior and fit the profile. EG May have thought she was smarter than the team assembled to interview her, but she’s mistaken.

She is going to be tried, found guilty and after serving time, additional charges will be filed against her.

In the meantime LE is hoping LUCAS is found.

This entire group of people are a sad example of a low lifes vthat should never have kids. They are for the most part irresponsible and can’t nurture and lI’ve their kids. Most use drugs and many draw welfare. Sad. A child like LUCAS could have broken out of those things and been an adult star. We will never know.

You think they'll wait to file charges re Lucas until she's served her time on CE? What if she's acquitted? Do you think they'll file charges right away or she'll go home and they'll wait to file charges?

 

[Charliegizmo49]

JH probably isn't going to testify because he can't honestly say that EG is innocent of the charge of CE.
She is not innocent. (Moo, imo)

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he has far to much to lose testifying under oath. I said it a few days ago. While he spoke directly to EG, in the stand he has far to much exposure with his pending matter of battery. Undoubtedly he would be asked some very painful questions about their history and his own criminal history. And he has to be angry his life is so public. There’s may have been a challenge to partners protection of relationship confidentiality , and perhaps the paternity issue IF MH. JH has nothing to gain and very possibly a boatload to lose.

My thought is his attorney worked to remove remove him from this proceeding entirely by making it clear he would invoke his 5th Amendment right against self incrimination.

 

[kkdj]

he has far to much to lose testifying under oath. I said it a few days ago. While he spoke directly to EG, in the stand he has far to much exposure with his pending matter of battery. Undoubtedly he would be asked some very painful questions about their history and his own criminal history. And he has to be angry his life is so public. There’s may have been a challenge to partners protection of relationship confidentiality , and perhaps the paternity issue IF MH. JH has nothing to gain and very possibly a boatload to lose.

My thought is his attorney worked to remove remove him from this proceeding entirely by making it clear he would invoke his 5th Amendment right against self incrimination.

This is what I was wondering earlier. He has his own trial coming up. Answering questions in Emily's trial could create some conflict in his. He has a right to a fair trial. I don't think they need his testimony anyway to convict her. They have her confession and they have the text messages. Seems pretty simple.

 

[kkdj]

Does anyone think EG was offered any kind of plea deal? As common as it is I don't think she was offered anything.

 

[Horror]

Does anyone think EG was offered any kind of plea deal? As common as it is I don't think she was offered anything.

MOO they’ll leave that for later I think ?
My world clock tells me it’s around 6-7am there. I am about to go to sleep here. Anxiously thinking of what we will find out further. Piece by piece her evilness is being exposed. I think someone upthread said 1 day trial only they thought, so maybe by the time I catch up, she could well be either sentenced or recharged with something relating to our little man. And that saddens me for his family because as much as they are desperately waiting, it will hurt their hearts.


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[deedee21]

I'm thinking that the ADA doesn't want JH cross-examined by defense.

From watching the trial of Michael McCarthy for the murder of Bella Bond, I learned that to put in a piece of evidence a person has to take the stand, so the original plan was likely to be to call JH to the stand, introduce the messages with EG's intent to smoke and go to EG and have the ADA read out EG's side of the conversation while JH reads out his own side of the conversation. But if the prosecution put JH on the stand, then the defense gets the right to cross-examine. The whole thing puts JH in an awkward position, he's been publicly been playing the "I'll support EG if she's innocent" card but he's also removed all her photos from his FB and there's now JO saying that JH admitted to her that he thought EG was guilty.

So, the ADA can just use a police officer to go through those messages between EG and JH, and introduce the messages to evidence that way. It makes things a lot simpler.

That's just my conjecture about the reasoning and how they'll get around it, I could be wrong, but I think it's fair conjecture.

I think the DA will need him when they file criminal charges against EG for the disappearance of Lucas.

Behind the scenes stuff going on.

 

[deedee21]

Does anyone think EG was offered any kind of plea deal? As common as it is I don't think she was offered anything.

Doubt it. Lucas is still missing.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Oh boy........how did they manage that? *sigh*

I mean, she's going to court because of the child they have together was endangered while in her care the night before "she" reported Lucas missing. Why wouldn't JH be on the stand?

I know you can't answer this, , I'm just stunned by this move, is all.

Jh could be questioned about his own criminal record and other negative issues which could be used against him in the batter matter. He really has nothing to gain.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Doubt it. Lucas is still missing.

Agree the DA WILL TRY HER .. She will be found guilty and serve additional time. In doing so LE hopes LUCAS IS FOund. . TOWARD THE END IF HER JAIL TIME, the DA will have to decide if to move forward with murder charges.

Le has much more evidence than we can imagine. And they knew pretty fast she was responsible. If you consider her case regarding her kids, her domestic violence accusations, comments and abuse reports from both New Mexico and Kansas it was an easy leap. She may never confess and Lucas may never be found. But he is the last child she will damage. That will be his very sad legacy.

 

[kkdj]

https://legalbeagle.com/10045453-considered-child-endangerment-kansas.html

Leaving a Child Unattended
Prosecution on a child endangerment charge requires that an adult intentionally allowed or caused a child to be in a situation in which he could be harmed. Actual harm does not need to occur to constitute child endangerment. This includes leaving a child unattended without adequate supervision. In Wichita, a couple was charged with felony aggravated child endangerment after allegations that they had left their seven-month-old infant home alone for at least an hour and a half. Another Wichita mother faces a child endangerment charge stemming from accusations that she left her 1-year-old child in a car unattended with an outside temperature of almost 100 degrees F.

Why hasn't EG been charged with leaving Lucas home alone? We know for a fact this happened plus she also confessed to it.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

You think they'll wait to file charges re Lucas until she's served her time on CE? What if she's tacquitted? Do you think they'll file charges right away or she'll go home and they'll wait to file charges?

I believe she will be found guilty. In totality the statement filed earlier last month pretty much outlines the evidence the DA will have in court this week. I’m not sure they will introduce prior bad acts, but they have a treasure trove to choose from.

I do expect the prior domestic. violence events could be introduced and LE who responded will testify.

The neughbors and landlord may be called to verify she had been gone when they had a chat with LUCAS. IF those witnesses smelled MJ they can testify to that.

Imnot certain but but I think they could introduce the fact that she was smoking MJ while pregnant.

Dcf will undiubtedly be there.

Sadly i I don’t know how most of those people get up in the morning and can look themselves in the mirror.

HAD LUCAS BEEN REMIVED FROM THE ABUSIVE HOUSEHOLD A YEAR AGO HE WOYLD BE VERY MUCH ALIVE.

 

[kkdj]

I believe she will be found guilty. In totality the statement filed earlier last month pretty much outlines the evidence the DA will have in court this week. I’m not sure they will introduce prior bad acts, but they have a treasure trove to choose from.

I do expect the prior domestic. violence events could be introduced and LE who responded will testify.

The neughbors and landlord may be called to verify she had been gone when they had a chat with LUCAS. IF those witnesses smelled MJ they can testify to that.

Imnot certain but but I think they could introduce the fact that she was smoking MJ while pregnant.

Dcf will undiubtedly be there.

Sadly i I don’t know how most of those people get up in the morning and can look themselves in the mirror.

HAD LUCAS BEEN REMIVED FROM THE ABUSIVE HOUSEHOLD A YEAR AGO HE WOYLD BE VERY MUCH ALIVE.

Wow. I wasn't realizing they would have that much leeway for questioning. I was thinking the questioning would be specifically around her getting high and driving with her daughter on that day only. The other prior acts haven't been proven but reported. Of course that CINC report is pretty damning and she did lose her daughter because of what's in that report.