Found Deceased Ks - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #32

[flute4peace]

I think we need to respect the families wishes. The DA will decide what if any info to release to the public, the families will know the cause of death for Lucas and Emily. If the family does not want to pursue it being released to the public than I think that should be honored.

This really should be the bottom line here. The family deserves nothing less.

 

[Kamm5]

I agree to what family wishes but I believe the coroners report is public record. So no matter what we think that will come out. Correct me if I’m wrong

 

[lonetraveler]

BBM - he seems like a lot of men I know. They want the pride of having custody of a child and being able to say they are the provider, caretakers, etc. but they don't understand that part of that responsibility is putting that child first EVERY time, no matter what. They don't want to hear that the life they've worked so hard to build could have some really jacked up inner workings - that would mean they aren't doing as good of a job as they want to think they are. Admitting defeat. They'd rather go along with whats easy (believing the live in piece of ***, ignoring family members pleas, letting said piece block people out of their lives) instead of doing the hard thing - admitting they have problems - and addressing them.

My kids' dad is just like this and doesn't understand why I won't let him take my children out of my care, even for one night. He has proven himself faulty too many times. A year ago, my son came home with a black eye and my children haven't been left alone with him since. Just a few weeks later, his piece was arrested for assaulting him and his infant son, yet as soon as she called him, he was playing right back into her nonsense. Ugh. Lucas' case does hit close to home for me for this and other reasons, I'm so sorry for going OT - but I feel like JH had the same issues. It's like their whole mindset is "I feel like I'm doing good and the things I'm doing "right" look good on paper, so HOW could I be wrong?" They fail to take into account the things that make them look bad, because they always have a reason or excuse that is easier than doing something to fix what is wrong.

Then again, some men want custody just to keep from paying child support, sadly.

 

[lonetraveler]

So, in the last thread someone said they were confused and asked if people here thought that someone else killed Emily. That was because I asked someone who they thought killed Emily. Just to state... I of course think Emily killed herself... just setting the record straight.

I had answered that I had not been convinced that she killed herself. I believe she killed herself, definitely but have learned over the years to wait for the final coroner's report to definitely come to a conclusion.

 

[lonetraveler]

I agree to what family wishes but I believe the coroners report is public record. So no matter what we think that will come out. Correct me if I’m wrong

I don't think the family has any say in if the coroner's report is released.

 

[Gardener1850]

I think we need to respect the families wishes. The DA will decide what if any info to release to the public, the families will know the cause of death for Lucas and Emily. If the family does not want to pursue it being released to the public than I think that should be honored.

Wait, I'm confused. Has the family said they don't want Lucas' cause of death released? JMO, I think the public has a right to know if a child was murdered and who was responsible for that death. And while the justice system may not be able to hold a dead suspect accountable for her actions, there can be steps taken to make sure that it is less likely for what happened to Lucas to happen again with another child. JMO.

 

[Busylady]

Wait, I'm confused. Has the family said they don't want Lucas' cause of death released? JMO, I think the public has a right to know if a child was murdered and who was responsible for that death. And while the justice system may not be able to hold a dead suspect accountable for her actions, there can be steps taken to make sure that it is less likely for what happened to Lucas to happen again with another child. JMO.

No I haven't seen anything from family regarding info being released. I was responding in general to post regarding coroners inquest and getting the public to sign petitions etc to get details released. IMO I think that should be left up to the family to decide how they want to handle the situation.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Wait, I'm confused. Has the family said they don't want Lucas' cause of death released? JMO, I think the public has a right to know if a child was murdered and who was responsible for that death. And while the justice system may not be able to hold a dead suspect accountable for her actions, there can be steps taken to make sure that it is less likely for what happened to Lucas to happen again with another child. JMO.

I agree. The greater good needs to be considered. The family has been so very considerate it would not be surprising if they too want to prevent a recurrence as well.

 

[Mama3boys]

If the family wishes to release the information, I will read it and it will break my heart. But a sweet innocent little boy lived it, and we need to prepare for what we're going to hear. E.g. was jealous of Lucas, and I don't need an informative diagnose of her-she was mentally unstable. Dcf failed our sweet Lucas so much. I know personally that Dcf, Emily's caseworker was told about Emily abusing Lucas. That's why this case has bothered me so much so many outsiders saw and reported the abuse, nothing was done and that is not Okay! I'd go up the line of who received the reports and what was done after those reports were made. If it failed on someone to dig further they deserve to lose their job. They failed to protect an innocent child who needed them to help them, I hope they live with that on their conscious daily. The family did everything they could, this was dcf fault.

 

[whatsnext]

If the family wishes to release the information, I will read it and it will break my heart. But a sweet innocent little boy lived it, and we need to prepare for what we're going to hear. E.g. was jealous of Lucas, and I don't need an informative diagnose of her-she was mentally unstable. Dcf failed our sweet Lucas so much. I know personally that Dcf, Emily's caseworker was told about Emily abusing Lucas. That's why this case has bothered me so much so many outsiders saw and reported the abuse, nothing was done and that is not Okay! I'd go up the line of who received the reports and what was done after those reports were made. If it failed on someone to dig further they deserve to lose their job. They failed to protect an innocent child who needed them to help them, I hope they live with that on their conscious daily. The family did everything they could, this was dcf fault.

Exactly. I do understand that social workers have an immense caseload, but this was an emergency (still remembering that last Photo,) and they should have acted then and there.
ETA typo

 

[Busylady]

I don't know what the answer is or how we stop this from happening again, I wish there was some simple fix. Two reports were made to DCF before Lucas went missing, if DCF can not find evidence of abuse they cannot remove a child. We have seen pictures of horrible injuries from Jan incident, the problem is that was not reported until after Lucas went missing. DCF worker can't just take the word of someone reporting abuse and claiming who is abusing the child they have to have some kind of evidence. There is no question something needs to change because too many children end up being left in abusive situations.

 

[Gardener1850]

No I haven't seen anything from family regarding info being released. I was responding in general to post regarding coroners inquest and getting the public to sign petitions etc to get details released. IMO I think that should be left up to the family to decide how they want to handle the situation.

Ok, gotcha, thanks for answering. JMO, I hope the family wants it all out there so that it will be very clear to the public what happened and who is responsible. When info is kept hidden it just allows rumors and accusations to continue to fly. I hope whatever we find out will put things to rest so that anyone who would accuse the innocent family members, would have no legs to stand on (at least in the eyes of reasonable people-- I mean there may always be some crackpots with conspiracy theories but few will listen to them). There also needs to be accountability IMO for social services role in this case-- there were reports made and they were ignored or deemed "unfounded". I don't want to go into it all and rehash it again but I think most here know there were many things in this case and could have and should have been dealt with differently.

 

[whatsnext]

I don't know what the answer is or how we stop this from happening again, I wish there was some simple fix. Two reports were made to DCF before Lucas went missing, if DCF can not find evidence of abuse they cannot remove a child. We have seen pictures of horrible injuries from Jan incident, the problem is that was not reported until after Lucas went missing. DCF worker can't just take the word of someone reporting abuse and claiming who is abusing the child they have to have some kind of evidence. There is no question something needs to change because too many children end up being left in abusive situations.

Thank you, I thought it was reported BEFORE he went missing...

 

[Confusion]

Seems like I'm seldom on the same subject as the rest of you, sorry about that. I've just been thinking about EG's death today, and wondering about the place and method used. Is it possible that she chose JH's home and a rifle (possibly his) to try to frame him for her murder in retaliation for not standing by her? Maybe I've just been exposed to too many crime novels and tv shows, but it feels like something she might do. MOO

 

[Seattle1]

Not sure if it differs by state, but Aaron Hernandez died after his conviction was overturned and he is no longer officially considered a murderer.

His conviction was never "overturned." He was appealing his conviction of murdering Odin Lloyd and died before legal appeal exhausted so conviction had to be vacated. By MA law, he's no longer a convicted murderer.

 

[casesensitive]

Seems like I'm seldom on the same subject as the rest of you, sorry about that. I've just been thinking about EG's death today, and wondering about the place and method used. Is it possible that she chose JH's home and a rifle (possibly his) to try to frame him for her murder in retaliation for not standing by her? Maybe I've just been exposed to too many crime novels and tv shows, but it feels like something she might do. MOO

I wouldn't put it past her, but she left three suicide notes which if deemed are really hers, negates that scenario.

 

[Jewels53]

Wait, I'm confused. Has the family said they don't want Lucas' cause of death released? JMO, I think the public has a right to know if a child was murdered and who was responsible for that death. And while the justice system may not be able to hold a dead suspect accountable for her actions, there can be steps taken to make sure that it is less likely for what happened to Lucas to happen again with another child. JMO.

Just jumping off your post. Even if the prosecution has a lot of evidence against against Emily to have tried her in the death of Lucas. It doesn't mean she would have been found guilty. So we will actually never have a complete answer to the guilt. We may have a manner of death and a cause of death but not actually who caused the death, as much as we want. I think we all know who did the deed.

Now Emilys death is totally different it is either suicide or homicide which is the manner and then the cause which would be the rifle.

jmo

 

[whatsnext]

Seems like I'm seldom on the same subject as the rest of you, sorry about that. I've just been thinking about EG's death today, and wondering about the place and method used. Is it possible that she chose JH's home and a rifle (possibly his) to try to frame him for her murder in retaliation for not standing by her? Maybe I've just been exposed to too many crime novels and tv shows, but it feels like something she


Deleted, I should have the username "confusion"

 

[Seattle1]

I agree to what family wishes but I believe the coroners report is public record. So no matter what we think that will come out. Correct me if I’m wrong

Pursuant to Kansas Open Records Act (KORA), you are correct. There are exceptions of course to sealed records and others exempted from public disclosure by a specific law. K.S.A. 45-215, et. seq

 

[Amonet]

Seems like I'm seldom on the same subject as the rest of you, sorry about that. I've just been thinking about EG's death today, and wondering about the place and method used. Is it possible that she chose JH's home and a rifle (possibly his) to try to frame him for her murder in retaliation for not standing by her? Maybe I've just been exposed to too many crime novels and tv shows, but it feels like something she might do. MOO

I don't see that being consistent with leaving suicide notes.

I'm also not convinced EG felt retaliatory against JH. I'm sensing more self-loathing than retaliation.