Found Deceased Ks - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #32

[Amonet]

Just jumping off your post. Even if the prosecution has a lot of evidence against against Emily to have tried her in the death of Lucas. It doesn't mean she would have been found guilty. So we will actually never have a complete answer to the guilt. We may have a manner of death and a cause of death but not actually who caused the death, as much as we want. I think we all know who did the deed.

Now Emilys death is totally different it is either suicide or homicide which is the manner and then the cause which would be the rifle.

jmo

But within that, I thought they could still say who the prime suspect is (as she's deceased) and that they're not looking for anyone else in relation to the homicide? Which is effectively saying that EG is the person they would take to trial for the homicide if they were able to.

 

[motheroffour]

I agree to what family wishes but I believe the coroners report is public record. So no matter what we think that will come out. Correct me if I’m wrong

But the coroners report is only the end of the story. There is so much more we will likely never know. It seems so incomplete and unfair to those of us that have gathered here day after day for Lucas but it can never even come close to how those who shared his life for five years. Love to his family and dear friends.

 

[Tssiemer]

Wait, I'm confused. Has the family said they don't want Lucas' cause of death released? JMO, I think the public has a right to know if a child was murdered and who was responsible for that death. And while the justice system may not be able to hold a dead suspect accountable for her actions, there can be steps taken to make sure that it is less likely for what happened to Lucas to happen again with another child. JMO.

I don’t think we’ll ever know. Everyone who knows what happened are dead IMO.

ETA: is dead? Everyone who knows is dead? Neither of those sound grammatically correct.

 

[Smarty Pants]

ALL MOO

The past 20-30 posts, I see lots of discussion regarding what will or won't be released. What I don't see is anyone stating/thinking that JH could/should be implicated in the death of Lucas. Aggravated child neglect, accessory to murder - whatever charge fits his culpability in all this (legally, idk what he *could* be charged with, just using those as an example.) But say he is charged (& I hope he is)...would we have to wait until his trial for the answers we all want? I feel we know the MOD, just not COD. What are everyone's thoughts?

Personally, I have wanted to know the COD but now, I'm not sure. I know his existence (with EG) was Hell on Earth. Learning how bad it actually was - I don't know if I want to know. (<-- I waffle on that but today, I don't want to know.) And as someone said up thread, as long as his family gets the answers they want & deserve, I'm okay with that.

All MOO

 

[Mama3boys]

I don't believe they only received 2 reports. The whole family was reporting, our company reported. I don't care what their process is, multiple reports should be enough to open an investigation, look more into the home case, turn information over to authority's, seperate the child so they feel comfortable enough to talk to someone and tell their story, talk to the child's school, get someone doing weekly checks on the household and document the bruises. There can and should of been more done. If the state can not do that, then a way needs to be found to accomplish the goal. This isn't a game, childrens lives are at stake. I know it's not a quick fix and things take time but Lucas's case is poster for how and what can go wrong. When a domestic dispute ends up happening they check for bruises and the person responsible goes to jail. Why can't we protect the innocent, that have no chance of fighting their abuser.

I'm just upset with the system

 

[Inthedetails]

I don’t think we’ll ever know. Everyone who knows what happened are dead IMO.

ETA: is dead? Everyone who knows is dead? Neither of those sound grammatically correct.

Everyone is dead.

At least in American English, "everyone" is a singular pronoun (not sure about those Brits and if it's singular or plural to them).

 

[Inthedetails]

ALL MOO

The past 20-30 posts, I see lots of discussion regarding what will or won't be released. What I don't see is anyone stating/thinking that JH could/should be implicated in the death of Lucas. Aggravated child neglect, accessory to murder - whatever charge fits his culpability in all this (legally, idk what he *could* be charged with, just using those as an example.) But say he is charged (& I hope he is)...would we have to wait until his trial for the answers we all want? I feel we know the MOD, just not COD. What are everyone's thoughts?

Personally, I have wanted to know the COD but now, I'm not sure. I know his existence (with EG) was Hell on Earth. Learning how bad it actually was - I don't know if I want to know. (<-- I waffle on that but today, I don't want to know.) And as someone said up thread, as long as his family gets the answers they want & deserve, I'm okay with that.

All MOO

What evidence is there that could be used to charge and then convict him? Not just opinion about his decisions, but real evidence?

jmo

 

[Hans23]

There may not be any clear evidence regarding JH because they all are/were very good at covering things. I still believe JH had something to do with all of this. Unfortunately because of the lack of evidence...he will walk.
MY OPINION ONLY!

 

[Seattle1]

But within that, I thought they could still say who the prime suspect is (as she's deceased) and that they're not looking for anyone else in relation to the homicide? Which is effectively saying that EG is the person they would take to trial for the homicide if they were able to.

The DA already told us that EM was in-fact the ONLY person of interest:

Bennett said on Friday that without the cause of Lucas' death, his office couldn't charge Glass last week.

"It never meant the case was over with," he said. "It just meant we needed more time."
Now, Glass' death has raised another question for Bennett's office.

What happens next?

"To be determined," the district attorney said. "We will continue this investigation until there is whatever resolution we can reach."

If it turns out he would have charged Glass, Bennett said he will release that information. He won't just close the case, he said, and "let people wonder" what happened during Lucas' final day.

Asked if there are other persons of interest, Bennett said Glass was the only one, but that doesn't mean there couldn't be other levels of culpability elsewhere.

"But the focus was on (Glass)," he said. BBM

Read more here: Emily Glass found dead; Investigation into Lucas' death ongoing, DA says

 

[Busylady]

I don't believe they only received 2 reports. The whole family was reporting, our company reported. I don't care what their process is, multiple reports should be enough to open an investigation, look more into the home case, turn information over to authority's, seperate the child so they feel comfortable enough to talk to someone and tell their story, talk to the child's school, get someone doing weekly checks on the household and document the bruises. There can and should of been more done. If the state can not do that, then a way needs to be found to accomplish the goal. This isn't a game, childrens lives are at stake. I know it's not a quick fix and things take time but Lucas's case is poster for how and what can go wrong. When a domestic dispute ends up happening they check for bruises and the person responsible goes to jail. Why can't we protect the innocent, that have no chance of fighting their abuser.

I'm just upset with the system

It has been reported that only 2 reports were made - the remainder of the reports came after Lucas disappeared.

May 16, 2017: DCF, the Kansas child protection agency, received the first of two reports of suspected abuse involving Lucas.
Horrific new details emerge in court document about missing 5-year-old Lucas Hernandez

 

[Busylady]

There may not be any clear evidence regarding JH because they all are/were very good at covering things. I still believe JH had something to do with all of this. Unfortunately because of the lack of evidence...he will walk.
MY OPINION ONLY!

I agree he will not be held accountable and that makes me so angry. His secrets are now safe because EG is dead.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

What evidence is there that could be used to charge and then convict him? Not just opinion about his decisions, but real evidence?

jmo

I believe not only the evidence would be very thin, but he lost his son. Only he knows what he knew and that my friends will be with him the remainder of his life.

And he has lost his daughter.

Enough is enough for charges. This DA would not go there with what is evident at this point.

 

[flute4peace]

The DA already told us that EM was in-fact the ONLY person of interest:

Bennett said on Friday that without the cause of Lucas' death, his office couldn't charge Glass last week.

"It never meant the case was over with," he said. "It just meant we needed more time."
Now, Glass' death has raised another question for Bennett's office.

What happens next?

"To be determined," the district attorney said. "We will continue this investigation until there is whatever resolution we can reach."

If it turns out he would have charged Glass, Bennett said he will release that information. He won't just close the case, he said, and "let people wonder" what happened during Lucas' final day.

Asked if there are other persons of interest, Bennett said Glass was the only one, but that doesn't mean there couldn't be other levels of culpability elsewhere.

"But the focus was on (Glass)," he said. BBM

Read more here: Emily Glass found dead; Investigation into Lucas' death ongoing, DA says

Thank you for posting this.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

ALL MOO

The past 20-30 posts, I see lots of discussion regarding what will or won't be released. What I don't see is anyone stating/thinking that JH could/should be implicated in the death of Lucas. Aggravated child neglect, accessory to murder - whatever charge fits his culpability in all this (legally, idk what he *could* be charged with, just using those as an example.) But say he is charged (& I hope he is)...would we have to wait until his trial for the answers we all want? I feel we know the MOD, just not COD. What are everyone's thoughts?

Personally, I have wanted to know the COD but now, I'm not sure. I know his existence (with EG) was Hell on Earth. Learning how bad it actually was - I don't know if I want to know. (<-- I waffle on that but today, I don't want to know.) And as someone said up thread, as long as his family gets the answers they want & deserve, I'm okay with that.

All MOO

If JH was implicated as you stated in your post wouldn’t the same implications be legitimate for the county or CPS?

 

[Seattle1]

What evidence is there that could be used to charge and then convict him? Not just opinion about his decisions, but real evidence?
jmo

IMO, it's very unlikely JH will be ever face criminal charges (State's burden of proof). However, the family of Lucas could file a wrongful death suit against JH in civil court where the burden of proof is very different -- and easier to prove JH negligent leaving Lucas in the care of EM.

Would the family pursue this, probably not.... (i.e., when a person dies or is killed due to the negligence or misconduct of another, including murder, the surviving members of the victim's family may sue for "wrongful death").

Wrongful death and murder: What's the difference?

 

[deedee21]

I am NOT at all familiar with the law (did you notice? ) but, can someone even be "charged" or can it be even officially said that Emily is a murderer by the courts considering she is deceased?

Lucas was out in the elements for 3 months.
Wonder if that will interfer with finding out the COD?.
Time will tell.
If findings are homicide then expect the DA to say Emily would have been charged with Lucas's death if she did not commit suicide.

Yes. We know why she killed herself.

Some might say she did the right thing if cause of death cant be determined.

 

[Gardener1850]

I don’t think we’ll ever know. Everyone who knows what happened are dead IMO.

ETA: is dead? Everyone who knows is dead? Neither of those sound grammatically correct.

I guess I'm hopeful that forensic evidence will at least point to what happened-- as far as Cause of Death at the very least. I think there may be two different discussions going on here. I'm only talking about finding out the COD, MOD, etc and anything else that they have evidence wise which points to EG (i.e. cell phone records, the entire recordings of her time with Marshburn, etc). I get the feeling some people are talking about knowing the exact details and the reasons why she did it. No, I agree that we will probably never get those type of answers. But I think we would probably not have gotten those answers even if EG was still alive and being charged. Because she would have continued to lie. JMO.

 

[PetDetective]

It has been reported that only 2 reports were made - the remainder of the reports came after Lucas disappeared.

May 16, 2017: DCF, the Kansas child protection agency, received the first of two reports of suspected abuse involving Lucas.
Horrific new details emerge in court document about missing 5-year-old Lucas Hernandez

There was also at least one report made in New Mexico.

 

[Gardener1850]

The DA already told us that EM was in-fact the ONLY person of interest:

Bennett said on Friday that without the cause of Lucas' death, his office couldn't charge Glass last week.

"It never meant the case was over with," he said. "It just meant we needed more time."
Now, Glass' death has raised another question for Bennett's office.

What happens next?

"To be determined," the district attorney said. "We will continue this investigation until there is whatever resolution we can reach."

If it turns out he would have charged Glass, Bennett said he will release that information. He won't just close the case, he said, and "let people wonder" what happened during Lucas' final day.

Asked if there are other persons of interest, Bennett said Glass was the only one, but that doesn't mean there couldn't be other levels of culpability elsewhere.

"But the focus was on (Glass)," he said. BBM

Read more here: Emily Glass found dead; Investigation into Lucas' death ongoing, DA says

Thanks for finding that. This is what I was trying to say above. No, there won't be a trial to try EG in court now but they will release their findings and state if she was the only suspect. JMO.

 

[Jewels53]

But within that, I thought they could still say who the prime suspect is (as she's deceased) and that they're not looking for anyone else in relation to the homicide? Which is effectively saying that EG is the person they would take to trial for the homicide if they were able to.

I agree she is a suspect that doesn't mean she is guilty. she is only guilty when found so by a jury of her peers. I really don't like saying that, but that is what the law says.

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