Charliegizmo49
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Not st all but I’m interested in learning your thoughts.Have any of you wondered if EG's death was a hit?
Not st all but I’m interested in learning your thoughts.Have any of you wondered if EG's death was a hit?
I mostly think it was a suicide, but I'm leaving room for it being a hit. Seems a bit odd to me that if Emily had access to a gun she wouldn't have used it on others prior to killing herself.Not st all but I’m interested in learning your thoughts.
My thoughts on the gun after goyse was searched, MOO, is that itcwas hidden same place drug paraphenalnia. (Sp?). They never found the tool used from the "bowls". I believe before she reported Lucas missing, all that was hidden in a special location until after searches were done. Maybe buried in the flower bed. Again, all MOO.
Yes. IMO, This is only if she hid the gun herself or handed it over to someone. She removed all drug paraphernalia and the gun knowing LE would be combing every inch of the house and property. When the coast was clear, all was retrieved.
Question. When DM made the "cleared the house of weapons" comment, to what house was he referring? I was under the impression that she was said to be staying with relatives at that time.
I feel like, even with WS tight regulations on the discussable information, there is still a wide range of interpretation potential that can get us way off track.
Of course, common sense says that if JH knew she was at risk and was staying at the Edgemoor house where a weapon resided, he should have removed it. But if she was able to convince him that she didn't hurt LH, she could have convinced him she wouldn't hurt herself, either.
Only problem with this thought, Charlie, was that JH said he didn't know it was Emily right away.I’m guessing but under those circumstances I might have called her father and friends and family for emotional support. And I’m not at all certain that the woman who did the tv interview was indeed a friend. It seems as though I recall several of the group monitored police calls by way of a scanner.
I think anything is possible in this spy vs spy methed out case.Have any of you wondered if EG's death was a hit?
Question. When DM made the "cleared the house of weapons" comment, to what house was he referring? I was under the impression that she was said to be staying with relatives at that time.
I feel like, even with WS tight regulations on the discussable information, there is still a wide range of interpretation potential that can get us way off track.
Of course, common sense says that if JH knew she was at risk and was staying at the Edgemoor house where a weapon resided, he should have removed it. But if she was able to convince him that she didn't hurt LH, she could have convinced him she wouldn't hurt herself, either.
Or, she could have committed suicide because she found that JH was totally willing for her to take the fall, all by herself, for something that both of them were culpable for.i think there have been some great points about why JH had "let" EG stay at the house. (i put let in the parentheses bc i notice he paused when NG asked him about the lease as if he were uncertain of the terms and regardless of who is on the lease, that may not easily stop ppl from staying or leaving in a situation like this). as weve been debating, ive given some thought "is it that important why/how often EG was there" and i think it is both because it gives us more insight to JHs character as a father and may suggest something that led to EGs suicide.
expanding on the latter, i think that the combination of jail time AND losing JH may have been what pushed her over the edge. if she knew JH was going to stand by her through the trial and if she were convicted, stand by her through appeals and help paint this picture to society she was wrongly convicted, it may have seemed bearable. in a sick way, the drama may have excited her. likewise, if she had a vision of how to escape conviction and stay free, losing JH would be an OK deal for her too. but if neither of those things appeared on her horizon, i wonder...
-if in recent days or weeks leading up to her suicide, she became increasingly clingy toward JH. i find it interesting they were texting at all (seriously, what is there to say?) and i wonder if their dialogue was along the lines of EG saying things like "please let me explain, i love you, you are everything" and escalated to threats like "remember that time JO/your mom freaked out about that bruise and YOU dismissed it? you stood by me, if im going down, you are too!" and then maybe things like "remember that time we both did meth in the house w the kids, i have photos and im showing the cops. i have nothing left to lose and if you dont stand by me, im going to punish you".
-on a larger level, this dynamic may have rubbed JH the wrong way bc i think a huge component of their relationship was EG being controlling but from a distance so JH didnt feel he was controlled. but now he cant escape to work and has EG breathing down his neck 24/7 under the most dramatic circumstances. then, on a more relevant level he may have been panicking regarding her threats bc he selfishly doesnt want to face any consequences. finally, regardless what anyone thinks of him, there is the fact EG harmed his child that is going to cause him some negative feelings for her.
-so maybe out of sheer exhaustion, he let her stay at the house. maybe he felt it wasnt worth fighting about. it also probably didnt feel permanent - JH was probably thinking shed be arrested again soon. but maybe he still continues to distance himself from her by coming home late, staying at friends, ignoring and she didnt take it well. with all that in mind, id be very interested to see what their text history, call history and length of calls were leading up to her suicide.
-total speculation on my part, i have no clue if EG behaved this way toward JH and if he reacted that way. i also think its possible JH is a ridiculous person w no good reason for letting EG stay there or maybe he was trying to pump info out of her. but just thought id throw in the above scenario.
I agree but also JH is most likely getting a bit nervous about suspicions about his own involvement.JMOI think he said she was either at her parents house or the Edgemoor house because I think he was a bit on the defensive. Trying to deflect. Looking for quick answers. Inside he's likely starting to really grab hold of some guilt....he wasn't there for his son, he left a gun in the house, etc. etc.....
Those ARs are fairly expensive. The three I’m aware of are about 2k each. Of course it’s deoendant upon accessories and make model. I’ve just never ever seen them for anything outside of human death and destruction. And I’m the first to admit my bias. I’m a past hunter but out of necessity and not for fun. It’s the way we saved money in Alaska. And moose is organic if cooked properly my kids could not distinguish it from beef.But do we know when Jonathan acquired the gun? Isn't it a possibility that he purchased it after Lucas went missing?
I mentioned this previously about the fact that EG was staying at her aunts when DM went to speak with her. So what house was checked for weapons?Question. When DM made the "cleared the house of weapons" comment, to what house was he referring? I was under the impression that she was said to be staying with relatives at that time.
I feel like, even with WS tight regulations on the discussable information, there is still a wide range of interpretation potential that can get us way off track.
Of course, common sense says that if JH knew she was at risk and was staying at the Edgemoor house where a weapon resided, he should have removed it. But if she was able to convince him that she didn't hurt LH, she could have convinced him she wouldn't hurt herself, either.
Those ARs are fairly expensive. The three I’m aware of are about 2k each. Of course it’s deoendant upon accessories and make model. I’ve just never ever seen them for anything outside of human death and destruction. And I’m the first to admit my bias. I’m a past hunter but out of necessity and not for fun. It’s the way we saved money in Alaska. And moose is organic if cooked properly my kids could not distinguish it from beef.
Or, she could have committed suicide because she found that JH was totally willing for her to take the fall, all by herself, for something that both of them were culpable for.
I can't help but feeling that he(maybe unconciously) hoped for her to commit suicide. Why would you leave a weapon with a mentally unstable person? Someone who has harmed herself before? He doesn't seem to be the brightest light in the universe, maybe he thought that all of his problems would disappear after her death.
Only problem with this thought, Charlie, was that JH said he didn't know it was Emily right away.