Found Deceased Ks - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #33

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I know this will be a very unpopular opinion but...

If I didn't know what I know, I would 100% believe she was being entirely honest in that call. Even though she was lying about not knowing where he was, I still think it's entirely possible the emotion was genuine. Maybe coming from a "OMG, what have I done?!" place in her soul.

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I have no doubt that EG's death was a suicide after listening to his 911 call.

This (extract below) is definitely alibi building but there is good reason for it because he knows he could be seen as the shooter if he doesn't explain the background to him discovering her.

I also think he could be lying about or not fully admitting why he went there, because he gives two reasons for going - 1/ he had nowhere else to go, 2/ she didn't answer his text. I think he went there to see why she wasn't answering and already may have suspected something was up.

Repeating "at her feet" to make sure he was heard is really important to him that's why he repeats it. Suicide position.

I think the "it's so bad" repetition is not necessarily a reflection of EG's suicide but his being absolutely horrified that he is at the house and has to report her shooting death and what it looks like - being as he has a motive to shoot her. JH is all about self-protection IMO. He had a while to think about this call before he made it, in my view.


My transcription of the beginning of the call after giving his address and phone number:


911: Ok. Tell me exactly what happened.

JH: Haah, uhhh, it's the first time I've been home in like three weeks, uhh, my fiancee has been staying here.

911: Mhmm.

JH: And I had nowhere else to go tonight so I asked her "hey are you awake?" [3+ second pause] et cetera and she didn't answer so I came home and [long exhale] it's so bad, it's so bad.

911: What happened?

JH: [Pause] I, I saw my rifle

911: 'k, did..

JH/911 overtalking: At her feet/So did she shoot herself?

JH: At her feet. Yes, I think so. I think so.

That's interesting, thanks for pointing out and explaining those things.

The 'so' could also work for 'so, thinking she was either asleep or maybe not even at the house, I felt it might be safe to come over to the house and sleep there for the night' ?
 
I've only read the transcript of EG's call and not delved into it. I did notice she mentioned the pull-up and the dispatcher asked her to explain what a pull-up was...and she explained it as (paraphrasing) something worn at nighttime.

I don't know how much to read into that explanation considering that the autopsy report doesn't mention a pull-up being found with Lucas' body?
 
He started off saying he hadn't been to the house in three weeks. hmm

And he also had a shotgun in the closet, in addition to the one EG shot herself with.
And that she is his Fiancé....not was. Hope this is because shock made him revert to what he used to say and not that actually fiancé. *face palm*
 
I've only read the transcript of EG's call and not delved into it. I did notice she mentioned the pull-up and the dispatcher asked her to explain what a pull-up was...and she explained it as (paraphrasing) something worn at nighttime.

I don't know how much to read into that explanation considering that the autopsy report doesn't mention a pull-up being found with Lucas' body?
I’m not sure either, I do think she had scripted in her mind how that call was going to go so maybe she meant to put it in earlier. I know you mentioned earlier about not being able to actually listen to the call, have you tried emptying your browser history and trying again? Just know it’s very difficult to listen to knowing what we now know. I am able to filter my emotions thru some pretty jarring stuff but that call profoundly affected me.
 
Yes and at first he thought this lady is really upset and horrified she cant find her son, but by the time he got to the end he thought something was off because she would be sobbing and you couldn't understand her, then her voice would be fine when she answered certain questions. So when I told him the outcome of the case he was surprised, he didn't think she hurt him but thought she maybe wasn't telling the truth about napping he thought she sounded under the influence so he thought she might of been partying and then discovered him gone and was covering for that.
BBM. That's what I thought when I heard it. Well, I was trying to approach it with "new ears" when I listened to both calls, and in doing so, I would think JH guilty of killing EG and EG being self-centered and neglectful but not a deliberate killer. I thought she sounded like she was shocked out of a fog that comes with waking up after falling asleep drunk, high, or stoned.

Speaking of stoned -- please throw tomatoes and not rocks --what if?

1) What if DA let EG go because there was a slight problem? EG led DM to Lucas' body...sort of, we think. At least, we know she told him "Kechi" and she described how he would be found, and DM said he would stop on every bridge but lo and behold it was the very first one. "I did Lucas so wrong" -- She says she found him dead in bed. Did she? Was she making that up? Was she really surprised when he was missing -- but knowing who had to have him, she wasn't about to go spill the beans? I wonder if she couldn't answer some very specific questions, leaving DA to wonder himself whether EG actually put him there.

I absolutely believe she beat poor Lucas -- maybe she was the only one and maybe not. I keep wondering if that iron-shaped mark could be from something else, such as kicking him or holding him down with a shoe or hitting him with something like a garden tool...only because an actual iron seems cumbersome and heavy to use to create a mark like that. Anyway, she hurt him, probably ignored him a lot, definitely put him and MH in danger with her using and inviting strangers into the home -- but is it possible someone else disappeared him and she learned "just enough" details later on? She knew she was in enough trouble whether she hid him or someone else did, she lost MH and custody of her boys -- but she wasn't about to give up that person. That would just make everything even worse.

2) Now, suppose for a minute that JH & EG had a phone conversation, maybe not even that same day -- JH says he was questioning her about Lucas, but instead he was going off on her or telling how bleak everything looked for her. And by the way, if you're going to do something, make sure you get the job done because otherwise you'll end up a vegetable or in the psych ward.... (my thoughts only of course)
I would be curious to learn what kind of communications--method, length, frequency--they had since she was released from jail.

WHY did he leave -- not one, but -- TWO guns in the home after DM's warning? Why did he stop by basically unannounced (assuming she didn't get his text)? After 3 weeks of not being there? Did he have a pretty darn good idea that he would find her dead--is that the real reason he went over?

Had it really been 3 weeks? I can see DM's words hanging in JH's head, prompting him to immediately clear himself, but... so what if he hadn't been there that day but definitely within the three weeks? I keep thinking about the bruises -- perhaps kickback from holding the gun with the legs, but I'm not sure about the arm.

"A 1 1/4 inch x 1/2 inch purple-red contusion is on the right upper arm. A 1/4 inch by 1/8 inch, red purple, abraded contusion is on the anterior aspect of the distal right thigh. A 3/8 inch red purple contusion is on the anteromedial aspect of the proximal left lower leg."

The arm is unclear -- upper right arm. Inner? Outer?
I would guess the two leg contusions occurred around the same time because of the coloring, and wouldn't the abrasion indicate friction?

It's been a while since my anatomy classes and I've looked up images but am not sure if I'm clear on locations because some images are contradictory or too muddled -- can someone "in the know" help?

Gahh -- I don't know why I care -- it all gets hinkier with each new strange turn. I'm trying to figure out if these bruises make sense with holding a powerful AR between the legs or if something else happened prior to her death-- the arm bruise never made sense to me but I guess it depends where it is and I had images of other things popping in my head depending upon where the leg bruises end up being.

Ok, I need to zip it now
 
Not meaning to nitpick, it’s just that things take on a life of their own around here over the smallest thing. Thanks for clarifying.
Since the last iPhone update my phone has taken on a mind of its own, unfortunately it normally makes me look like I’m posting like I’ve gone back off the wagon LOL but nope I’m still sober my phone is just a jerk LOL! Thank you for catching that because I totally intended for that to show that he was not suicidal and it was an accidental hit! That would be terrible if the post made to shut that we were down actually started it back up LOL face palm
 
That's interesting, thanks for pointing out and explaining those things.

The 'so' could also work for 'so, thinking she was either asleep or maybe not even at the house, I felt it might be safe to come over to the house and sleep there for the night' ?
I don't think 'she might not even be at the house' was on his mind at all, because that would have been an even better alibi to give and he didn't, and his statement about her staying there was unqualified. I think he built in the part about thinking she might have been elsewhere for the Nancy Grace listeners and I don't think it ever crossed his mind that his 911 call would be made public.
 
From my daughter's specialist,she said that the endo sticks to everything and causes adhesions... it sticks to almost everything like bladder,ovaries,etc. You can only tell if a dr goes n there,so this dr would have spotted it

It doesn’t matter now, because I feel she used her endo as a reason for her awful violent and raging acts but I will say, I live in pain pretty often. I’ve had atleast 4 surgeries done now for endometriosis due to pain... one surgery: no adhesions, but multiple cysts on both ovaries. On cyst was big enough to be drained Surgery 2: no adhesions, one little cysts. Surgery 3: again, no adhesions multiple cysts Surgery 4: no adhesions and a huge endometrioma cyst on ovary that was hemorrhaging.

So with that it’s possible she had a lot of pain but never any adhesions! A lot of time the pain comes before periods. As years have gone on my pain gets worse. I get back pain cramps and the pain generates down through the legs. Ibuprofen does not touch it. A stif drink, maybe regardless... Emily can’t blame anything but herself for being a crap person.
 
Just listened to both 911 calls- I did JH’s first... he sounds just as calm as he did in the Nancy grace interview after Lucas was found under the bridge. Idk... I have to believe he has to have some kind of disconnect with loss, death, Idk, I can’t pinpoint it.

Now with Emily’s call I literally had to force myself to listen to the whole thing because her fake screaming and crying made me to want to scream! Why would she sit there and put her poor baby through that ? Holding her(0r so it sounded) as she is screaming and putting on an act for dispatch! Wow...
 
She used the AR-15 rifle on herself, but the shotgun was also mentioned being in the house during the 911 call. She didn't use the shotgun to kill herself.

(Reply/quote not working for me right now)

Quote/Reply hasn't been working for a lot of people. One of my posts was removed earlier in the week... because the quote/reply didn't work, and I didn't catch it. I brought it to the attention in Websleuths #2 and other people replied with also having issues with it. I think there is a bug, and it needs to be fixed. The bug needs to be reported, so a ticket can be put in for it needing to be fixed.
 
BBM. That's what I thought when I heard it. Well, I was trying to approach it with "new ears" when I listened to both calls, and in doing so, I would think JH guilty of killing EG and EG being self-centered and neglectful but not a deliberate killer. I thought she sounded like she was shocked out of a fog that comes with waking up after falling asleep drunk, high, or stoned.

Speaking of stoned -- please throw tomatoes and not rocks --what if?

1) What if DA let EG go because there was a slight problem? EG led DM to Lucas' body...sort of, we think. At least, we know she told him "Kechi" and she described how he would be found, and DM said he would stop on every bridge but lo and behold it was the very first one. "I did Lucas so wrong" -- She says she found him dead in bed. Did she? Was she making that up? Was she really surprised when he was missing -- but knowing who had to have him, she wasn't about to go spill the beans? I wonder if she couldn't answer some very specific questions, leaving DA to wonder himself whether EG actually put him there.

I absolutely believe she beat poor Lucas -- maybe she was the only one and maybe not. I keep wondering if that iron-shaped mark could be from something else, such as kicking him or holding him down with a shoe or hitting him with something like a garden tool...only because an actual iron seems cumbersome and heavy to use to create a mark like that. Anyway, she hurt him, probably ignored him a lot, definitely put him and MH in danger with her using and inviting strangers into the home -- but is it possible someone else disappeared him and she learned "just enough" details later on? She knew she was in enough trouble whether she hid him or someone else did, she lost MH and custody of her boys -- but she wasn't about to give up that person. That would just make everything even worse.

2) Now, suppose for a minute that JH & EG had a phone conversation, maybe not even that same day -- JH says he was questioning her about Lucas, but instead he was going off on her or telling how bleak everything looked for her. And by the way, if you're going to do something, make sure you get the job done because otherwise you'll end up a vegetable or in the psych ward.... (my thoughts only of course)
I would be curious to learn what kind of communications--method, length, frequency--they had since she was released from jail.

WHY did he leave -- not one, but -- TWO guns in the home after DM's warning? Why did he stop by basically unannounced (assuming she didn't get his text)? After 3 weeks of not being there? Did he have a pretty darn good idea that he would find her dead--is that the real reason he went over?

Had it really been 3 weeks? I can see DM's words hanging in JH's head, prompting him to immediately clear himself, but... so what if he hadn't been there that day but definitely within the three weeks? I keep thinking about the bruises -- perhaps kickback from holding the gun with the legs, but I'm not sure about the arm.

"A 1 1/4 inch x 1/2 inch purple-red contusion is on the right upper arm. A 1/4 inch by 1/8 inch, red purple, abraded contusion is on the anterior aspect of the distal right thigh. A 3/8 inch red purple contusion is on the anteromedial aspect of the proximal left lower leg."

The arm is unclear -- upper right arm. Inner? Outer?
I would guess the two leg contusions occurred around the same time because of the coloring, and wouldn't the abrasion indicate friction?

It's been a while since my anatomy classes and I've looked up images but am not sure if I'm clear on locations because some images are contradictory or too muddled -- can someone "in the know" help?

Gahh -- I don't know why I care -- it all gets hinkier with each new strange turn. I'm trying to figure out if these bruises make sense with holding a powerful AR between the legs or if something else happened prior to her death-- the arm bruise never made sense to me but I guess it depends where it is and I had images of other things popping in my head depending upon where the leg bruises end up being.

Ok, I need to zip it now


Might just be antemortem bruising from the gun kick back. Unless someone roughed EG up before she had committed suicide?
Interpreting bruises at necropsy
 
Curious ... do we know how long EG had been deceased for when JH arrived ?! I have to believe they had been communicating somehow via Snapchat or that “whatsup app”? I’m guessing they used more apps where their communications wouldn’t be tracked as easy... I don’t think JH wanted everyone knowing they were still communicating... he def still has feelings for her I believe ...
There is no way he would just go to that home after 3 weeks without any communication... I have to believe Emily knew he was coming or why did she pick that night at that time ?
 
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