Found Deceased Ks - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #33

[Amonet]

And seemingly no endo, either.

It said no adhesions, but I didn't think you had to have adhesions to have endometriosis?

 

[Amonet]

That's the only thing I can come up with too (the clothing).

"The boy was last seen wearing black sweats with a grey shirt that had a bear on it, white socks, and light blue Pull-up."
Search continues for missing Wichita boy

The autopsy report says, "T-shirt and pants." No mention of a bear on the t-shirt, and pants and sweats could mean the same thing to some people, I suppose. No mention of socks or the pull-up.

I know it was said that there were branches and debris, but maybe DM saw enough of LH's pants and shirt to be able to say they didn't match EG's description? It would be understandable that he wouldn't have seen a pull-up since LH had pants on, but maybe he was able to see that LH didn't have socks on?

And yes, it would be nice if Nancy would elaborate on the "2nd autopsy," "the bathroom," and "the 10th or 11th!"

Would the pull-up have decomposed in this time? Could cotton socks have also decomposed?

I'm surprised there was no description of the t-shirt and pants to see if it correlates with what EG claimed Lucas was wearing.

 

[Steelslady]

"He denies reports that Glass already knew Lucas was dead."

Makes no sense.

We could take that a couple of ways. Either it makes no sense at all and DM was misquoted, or, Lucas wasn't already deceased when she placed his body there? I hope and pray she didn't leave him there alive, if he was in a coma or knocked out by a blow to the head.

Hoping the first one is correct, for Lucas' sake.

Gah, I hate where my mind goes sometimes.

 

[Amonet]

When a body has been found after a long period of time, the medical examiner or coroner should estimate the date and time of death as accu rately as possible. If an estimate is made, the information should be entered as ‘‘APPROX—date’’ and/or ‘‘APPROX—time.’’ Source. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/misc/hb_me.pdf

I didn't even see the approximate date and time of death on EG's report though? I saw that it had some information there that might help to determine how long she'd been deceased (the rigor mortis and the livor mortis) but I don't remember anything other than that?

 

[Steelslady]

I didn't even see the approximate date and time of death on EG's report though? I saw that it had some information there that might help to determine how long she'd been deceased (the rigor mortis and the livor mortis) but I don't remember anything other than that?

Very strange, as autopsy reports that I have seen in the past have either a TOD listed when a person was pronounced deceased at a hospital or the ME gives an estimate. I wonder why these two are different?

 

[Ilovemy3boys]

Here’s another one.
EG, the live-in girlfriend of Lucas’ father, JH, indicated in a written statement to authorities in late February that she called the landlord to check on a “foul smell” on February 16. Yet, it’s still unclear whether the landlord stopped by at all on that particular day.

JMO could LH have been dead beforehand and she never removed the body until the day she reported him missing?maybe the foul smell was due to decomposition?then that would mean what NG said.

 

[Jax49]

Very strange, as autopsy reports that I have seen in the past have either a TOD listed when a person was pronounced deceased at a hospital or the ME gives an estimate. I wonder why these two are different?

She was pronounced at 0144 hours at the scene, per the report.

 

[Steelslady]

Would the pull-up have decomposed in this time? Could cotton socks have also decomposed?

I'm surprised there was no description of the t-shirt and pants to see if it correlates with what EG claimed Lucas was wearing.

I think pull ups are made of some plastic type of material, like disposable diapers. There should have been something left of it, no matter how small. I didn't underwear listed as an article of clothing, come to think of it.

 

[Amonet]

She was pronounced at 0144 hours at the scene, per the report.

Well noticed, I didn't see that!

But pronounced isn't the same as the time of death? I suppose it had to be between 7pm and 1.44am, and as it's declared suicide it doesn't make any difference to know the exact time.

 

[Steelslady]

Well noticed, I didn't see that!

But pronounced isn't the same as the time of death? I suppose it had to be between 7pm and 1.44am, and as it's declared suicide it doesn't make any difference to know the exact time.

I missed that, too! Thank you, Jax49!

 

[castilloisno1]

The private investigator who helped find Lucas Hernandez

okay ..HOLD on a minute....then Emily put Lucas under the bridge alive????? Sorry. that is NOT common sense!!!

 

[castilloisno1]

I am most angry for Lucas. His story deserves to be told- what happened to him, who did it (we can assume Emily, but you never know....) and as close to the time that it happened. I feel like it's another slap in the face to an adorable little boy who's short life was filled with pain and abuse, at least those last couple of years. His story is now left in limbo. This isn't fair to him. He deserves to have a voice speak for him, and once again, another child's story has been squelched and those who knew more about what happened to him walk away free to live life like the child never existed.

Thanks for stating this...it is so close to how I feel. It is almost as if Emily made a deal with the devil. I really don't know if they would have pressed murder charges on her. She walked on endangerment charges even though from her own mouth,she confessed driving under the influence of mj. I tend to skip over parts about her death. She chose it and she inflicted pain upon JO and JH by not coming clean about her actions...

 

[FindLucasAllen]

Here is my question: Nancy Grace stated that the bathroom manner of death situation was discovered in a SECOND autopsy. Is it possible that the family paid another ME to do a second autopsy which yielded different results before having Lucas cremated? Or maybe another ME volunteered to lend their expertise? Or did Nancy Grace just get more bogus information?

Family didn't pay for or request a second autopsy. I'm not 100% positive an actual second autopsy was performed, but I'll ask.

Whoever gave NG the info about the 10th or 11th and the bathroom was lying. It's a theory that was thrown around to our family by someone so I honestly suspect it was that person who spoke to Leigh Egan.

 

[kkdj]

I too hope DM's recordings are released. 6 1/2 hours of that day he found Lucas. He also mentioned he did not record anyone on the first day he met up with JH and EG.

I don't think he will release them because he won't want to reveal his techniques. But I'm hoping he will tell us what all she said.

 

[lonetraveler]

When a body has been found after a long period of time, the medical examiner or coroner should estimate the date and time of death as accu rately as possible. If an estimate is made, the information should be entered as ‘‘APPROX—date’’ and/or ‘‘APPROX—time.’’ Source. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/misc/hb_me.pdf

Yes, thank you but I don't recall reading any mention of a time of death.

 

[tnith]

okay ..HOLD on a minute....then Emily put Lucas under the bridge alive????? Sorry. that is NOT common sense!!!

We must consider DM is a professional liar. At the hour this article was released, EG had concocted some stupid story about 'just found Lucas dead' and DM had her operating off his idea- 'you've only disposed of a body, small charge, in and out the system, chill'.

Whatever premise stood between JH, EG, DM, LE, etc. at that very hour is as yet vague here, though by the airing of NG's first podcast featuring DM some of the storyline began to clear up.

EG didn't take DM's advice, as her nature was to stir up ish and create drama to feel any sense of control.
So it's easy to want to forget about all that had happened and how quickly the situation would veer off into left field constantly, when attempting to contain this dumpsterfire to apply laws of sanity.

None of it is supposed to make any sense.

It's all based on extreme deception.

Uncover the motive, follow that thread, and the truth comes undone fairly fast.

 

[Willow Knight]

I wish they had tested his hair for drug evidence, including meth.

They didn't?

 

[Ilovemy3boys]

The hyoid bone and laryngeal cartilages not identified. Could that be due to decomposition, or something else? I tried googling, but I kept getting articles regarding fractures of the hyoid bone associated with strangulation.

 

[castilloisno1]

It said no adhesions, but I didn't think you had to have adhesions to have endometriosis?

From my daughter's specialist,she said that the endo sticks to everything and causes adhesions... it sticks to almost everything like bladder,ovaries,etc. You can only tell if a dr goes n there,so this dr would have spotted it

 

[Tortoise]

I'm surprised there was no description of the t-shirt and pants to see if it correlates with what EG claimed Lucas was wearing.

I'm surprised too. Plus descriptions of any stains (blood, vomit or urine etc) on the clothes, I doubt they were completely submerged under water. There is the possibility that she put him in clean clothes though before she hid him.