Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #16

[Sharkbite]

Two things puzzle me.
1. What vehicle did MT use for his trips to & from Orgiva pre-May 2007?
2. If CB was living in a camper van with MT, how did he spend hours on the internet/dark web?

1 - The only vehicles mentioned in Orgiva are the motorhome around May/June. MT also mentioned that CB had been there before in the Jaguar. I don't think that the VW has been sighted in Orgiva.

2 - According to MT, he himself was living in a van at the PDL farmhouse. CB lived in the house.

 

[Lenk]

Yes, possibly ASPD with narcissism, imo

Longtime lurker here -- I've read every thread and am deeply impressed by all of you. I'm a psychotherapist, and would agree -- based on info from LE and MSM, it would appear that CB fits the criteria for both antisocial personality disorder and narcissistic personality disorder. (using DSM-5 as reference)

 

[redplanet]

The woman seen by JM was wearing a white skirt. JT was wearing darker cropped trousers. Therefore IMO the woman seen by JM cannot be JT.

 

[Lyndaloo]

Lady seen by JW was IMO probably JT.
But lady seen by JM was standing on east side of road and was wearing a white skirt and IMO was not JT.

I haven’t been able to find any MSM links where JM described her wearing a white skirt, only purple/plum coloured clothes?

 

[MariaMac]

Longtime lurker here -- I've read every thread and am deeply impressed by all of you. I'm a psychotherapist, and would agree -- based on info from LE and MSM, it would appear that CB fits the criteria for both antisocial personality disorder and narcissistic personality disorder. (using DSM-5 as reference)

Yes I think so too and especially when NPD is associated with early issues with mother bond. Plus he shows controlling behaviour and over reaction to rejection (re girlfriend he stalked) as well as sadistic traits.

 

[redplanet]

Tapas reservations tuesday for couple JT and RT is detailed 2+1.

 

[redplanet]

Yes I think so too and especially when NPD is associated with early issues with mother bond. Plus he shows controlling behaviour and over reaction to rejection (re girlfriend he stalked) as well as sadistic traits.

Does anyone here with psychology knowledge have an opinion on whether the birthday, of an ex-girlfriend who rejected him, might be a date on which a desire for revenge arises?

 

[MariaMac]

Does anyone here with psychology knowledge have an opinion on whether the birthday, of an ex-girlfriend who rejected him, might be a date on which a desire for revenge arises?

I think we’d need to know more about him. If may date is a trigger it could also be from something that happened in his past that made that date or month significant and in turn led him to be more focused on maybe fixating more on a girlfriend with a matching birthday. I feel it’s more likely to be something like that rather that just the girlfriends birthday alone to trigger such a strong reaction but I don’t know. He certainly seemed to fixate on her more than anyone else who has come forward so far. But others may not have shared everything yet in case he was going to be released from jail.

 

[redplanet]

I haven’t been able to find any MSM links where JM described her wearing a white skirt, only purple/plum coloured clothes?

In some early MSM reports the witness is anonymous and her name JM is not given therefore it requires a Google search omitting the witness name to find for example this report
EXCLUSIVE: Who was the woman outside Maddie's flat?

 

[redplanet]

I think we’d need to know more about him. If may date is a trigger it could also be from something that happened in his past that made that date or month significant and in turn led him to be more focused on maybe fixating more on a girlfriend with a matching birthday. I feel it’s more likely to be something like that rather that just the girlfriends birthday alone to trigger such a strong reaction but I don’t know. He certainly seemed to fixate on her more than anyone else who has come forward so far. But others may not have shared everything yet in case he was going to be released from jail.

The birthday of one of his ex-girlfriends who dumped him was May 2nd. She voiced that maybe he did something on or near that date to make revenge.

 

[redplanet]

Another detail from old reports .... when witness JM was opening her gate she looked back and saw the same woman standing in the road looking at her

 

[Lenk]

Yes, possibly ASPD with narcissism, imo

Longtime lurker here -- I've read every thread and am deeply impressed by all of you. I'm a psychotherapist, and would agree -- based on info from LE and MSM, it would appear that CB fits the criteria for both antisocial personality disorder and narcissistic personality disorder. (using DSM-5 as reference)

Yes I think so too and especially when NPD is associated with early issues with mother bond. Plus he shows controlling behaviour and over reaction to rejection (re girlfriend he stalked) as well as sadistic traits.

Definitely. Also history of lying, challenging authority, use of aliases, conning others, impulsivity, unlawful behaviors, aggressiveness, sense of entitlement, lack of empathy ... he appears to check every box.

 

[Sharkbite]

I might have missed this, but something interesting about the Diakoniewerk Wilhelmshof close to where IG went missing and where CB was said to have visited a friend who was employed at the facility.

"Clinic embroiled in scandal in 2008
The facility serves to help the disabled and addicts and has nothing to do with the forensic specialist clinic, which is about 3.5 kilometers away. Sex offenders and pedophiles are also housed here. In 2008 the clinic was even involved in a scandal. Child *advertiser censored* has been smuggled into it. A swap ring existed in the clinic, uncovered during a raid."

Inga Gehricke und Madeleine McCann: Staatsanwaltschaft Stendal sucht Verbindung zwischen Maddy und Inga
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To add:

The same facility had a similar CP scandal in 2013

"The man from North Rhine-Westphalia is being investigated for child *advertiser censored*. He was also an inmate in Uchtspringe in 2008 when child *advertiser censored* files were found on him during raids."

Staatsanwaltschaft ermittelt wegen Geldwäsche in Uchtspringe
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Not sure if and where CB would fit into this, but they do seem to be his 'type' of people.

More info......

"The accused man had already been sentenced to seven years in prison by the Halle Regional Court in 1996 for serious sexual abuse. Since then he has been in Uchtspringe for therapy and was only released in June with a positive prognosis."

The article is from Dec 2008, so his release would have been June 2008

Kinderporno im Maßregelvollzug
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Court ruling from 2011 concerning this case.

http://juris.bundesgerichtshof.de/c...lient=2&nr=57091&=14129&anz=61895&Blank=1.pdf
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It could all be unrelated to CB of course, although he is said to have visited the facility and also in early 2019 CB sent a letter to this place from his current prison cell.

"The officers are following leads that Christian B. may have been in contact with an employee of the addiction facility, from whose premises little Inga disappeared. According to the investigation, the employee and possible accomplice had behaved strangely after the crime and is said to suffer from a narcissistic personality disorder. In addition, it should also reveal highly conspicuous sexual behavior.

In addition, the Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA) is checking another lead after SPIEGEL information: During a stay in prison in early 2019, years after Inga's disappearance, Christian B. wrote a letter to an association for which the suspicious employee worked in the meantime. The content of the letter is unknown."
Fall Maddie: Ermittler prüfen Zusammenhang zu weiterem Vermisstenfall - DER SPIEGEL - Panorama


Could this place be where CB served part of his youth sentence?

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I think we’d need to know more about him. If may date is a trigger it could also be from something that happened in his past that made that date or month significant and in turn led him to be more focused on maybe fixating more on a girlfriend with a matching birthday. I feel it’s more likely to be something like that rather that just the girlfriends birthday alone to trigger such a strong reaction but I don’t know. He certainly seemed to fixate on her more than anyone else who has come forward so far. But others may not have shared everything yet in case he was going to be released from jail.

Not all ex-partners are equal IMO. As an example, I think it’s psychologically normal to have stronger emotions towards people who dump us, rather than who we dump.

His reaction towards the meaningless hug demonstrates jealousy and this also suggests that he liked her ... a lot.

IMO dates are emotional triggers for people in general, especially in relation to loss, consider the date a loved one died or their birthday And the associated sadness. The uncontrollable breakdown of a relationship could be similar although it would evoke different emotions, I guess.

I asked the question about the first week of May before. PK (if CB was involved) went missing 7 May (2001 would pre date the Berkshire gf). Given the two points above, the coincidence on dates (MM, IG and PK- if CB) and the fact that CB is completely nuts, I think it’s reasonable to think that the dates mean something.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Hmmmm you are right, so on that night we have 2 people who thought the person they saw could be the perp, one looked like GM and the other looked like RM? then take CB , GM and RM could loos similar to each other but not CB ? x

Smithman definitely wasn’t RM because MS was an acquaintance of RM. Perhaps it’s just me but I think RM and GM are not alike - GM has no glasses and is athletic build ... RM isn’t. In the dark walking downhill and holding a child, I think CB and GM are more alike. In the Malaga footage, I see someone who could match the description the Smith family gave 26 May 2007 - the September 2007 statement Is more specific and should be ignored.

 

[NCanning]

I don't understand the "woman in purple" sighting(s). If it was dark and under yellow sodium lights, purple wouldn't be distinguishable from other dark colours

 

[tedtink]

Longtime lurker here -- I've read every thread and am deeply impressed by all of you. I'm a psychotherapist, and would agree -- based on info from LE and MSM, it would appear that CB fits the criteria for both antisocial personality disorder and narcissistic personality disorder. (using DSM-5 as reference)

Welcome to the thread fellow!

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I don't understand the "woman in purple" sighting(s). If it was dark and under yellow sodium lights, purple wouldn't be distinguishable from other dark colours

I think I recall that sunset was 19:10. Was JM’s sighting at approx 20:00? If so, your point is correct. Add to that that I think the OC staff uniforms were purple and who the sighting was and what colour they were wearing become, quite literally, blurred.

 

[Chiatos]

I googled this ‘faites entrer l'accusé" consacrée à marc dutroux and watched the video (am not sure,if it is the correct one.

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An investigator who had been in charge of the investigation into the death of Carola Titze, 16, found dead at Le Coq on July 11, 1996, "had a flash" while watching the France 2 program "Faites entrer l'accusé" dedicated to Marc Dutroux, according to DH.

In the report, he noticed a brown and beige mobile home, in the same style as the one he had seen at the time at the
Coast. "We showed images of the discovery of the bodies found in Sars-la-Buissière," he recalls. "There was a car in the parking lot of Dutroux's property. A big brown and beige American mobile home".
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I've watched (and listened to) this report.
Details about MD's youth and background are given. Also how and when Julie and Melissa, Ann and Eefje and Sabine and Leticia were abducted etc.
How MD psychologically manipulated Sabine and Leticia (they were freed by police so they could tell their story).
How MD manipulated LE while serving a 10 year sentence for several rapes of minors in the eighties. Briefly abducting them / taking them away to his garage or where ever he could rape them and have them pose to take pornographic pictures.
Through manipulation (posing as being a victim himself!) he ended up serving 5 years instead of the initial 10 years!
Three years after he was released (after those 5 years), he abducted J+M. And later the other girls too.
Sabine and Leticia told police that MD visited them every day in their dungeon cellar, to rape them.

MD was not acting alone in this whole thing; other men were arrested too. His wife was his accomplice and he tried to persuade a friend of his to abduct young girls together but this friend declined (and later reported this to police). Etc, etc, etc.

I've been looking for the mobile home in this report, but haven't been able to spot it, so I'll watch other reports of "Faites entrer l'accusé".. It will take some time for the episodes are quite long .....
To be continued....

 

[snowpea666]

Longtime lurker here -- I've read every thread and am deeply impressed by all of you. I'm a psychotherapist, and would agree -- based on info from LE and MSM, it would appear that CB fits the criteria for both antisocial personality disorder and narcissistic personality disorder. (using DSM-5 as reference)

Hi fellow psychotherapist