Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #17

[enjy15]

That's my personal opinion too. There is no need to hurry. They know, that they brandmarked him for life. No german prosecuter does that on purpose, if he/she isn't sure, the suspect is the one they're looking for. That needs much more than a simple verdict!

There's also a possibility, that the MM'case is already investigated for a safe charge. BKA investigated it since 2017, HCW since 2018. That is a lot of time for one single case IMO. But i assume, this investigation goes further, according to other victims.

If HJG's statement to the Neuwegersleben evidence is true, than even to give that knowledge to him, is also tactical behavior. As far as i know, not even SY and PJ got info about the crucial evidence, HCW claims to have. So maybe the investigation has gone on further in that way, that speaking about would not harm it anymore. Who knows...

I always get my hopes up in this case that MM will get justice and her family can get some peace and closure, but I really hope you are right as I have faith in this lead and the German LE too. Just because it’s quiet right now doesn’t mean behind the scenes it is. HCW said to the Irish independent newspaper that there has been progress. He is just playing safe as they don’t want to lose CB and want to make sure he is behind bars!

 

[Ardoch]

If he is credible and reliable it confirms the theory that the evidence is photos/videos which is upsetting. It seems like they just need to back up the photo/video evidence with something such as DNA, clothing etc. I hope the allotment search was successful and they can put this monster behind bars.

The Portuguese police unfortunately underestimated the case thinking MM would have gone for a wander or it was an accident at the apartment. It gave the abductor a lot of extra time. Hindsight is a wonderful thing!

It's heartbreaking to read about any evidence found, but I hope it proves to be a crucial part in bringing all those involved to justice.

 

[SuperdadV8]

I always get my hopes up in this case that MM will get justice and her family can get some peace and closure, but I really hope you are right as I have faith in this lead and the German LE too. Just because it’s quiet right now doesn’t mean behind the scenes it is. HCW said to the Irish independent newspaper that there has been progress. He is just playing safe as they don’t want to lose CB and want to make sure he is behind bars!

Yes enjy15, that's my hope too. I'm very optimistic about the silence. Even in that case. So much has been said and written in 13 years without result. Now there is one official statement like "We know about a death, about who did it and also how he did it. But by now we can't tell you about the evidence. But give us what you know else!"

After that a lot of official silence and actions. That's typical german but it tells me, they are not playing but doing! And maybe put some pressure on someone, to nail the hammer with a possible confession to make it bulletproof.

In the end, they destroyed his "credibility" for the rest of his life either.

 

[enjy15]

It's heartbreaking to read about any evidence found, but I hope it proves to be a crucial part in bringing all those involved to justice.

Absolutely!

 

[enjy15]

Yes enjy15, that's my hope too. I'm very optimistic about the silence. Even in that case. So much has been said and written in 13 years without result. Now there is one official statement like "We know about a death, about who did it and also how he did it. But by now we can't tell you about the evidence. But give us what you know else!"

After that a lot of official silence and actions. That's typical german but it tells me, they are not playing but doing! And maybe put some pressure on someone, to nail the hammer with a possible confession to make it bulletproof.

In the end, they destroyed his "credibility" for the rest of his life either.

I agree. The German LE have been so professional and smart. If it turns out that CB is guilty, the McCann’s are owed many apologies. I’m glad this case could hopefully be getting justice after so long and so many mistakes!

 

[Lilly b]

This is worth a watch, on youtube, from 2007, if you haven't already seen.
Channel 4 Dispatches: 'Searching for Madeleine' *

 

[redplanet]

I am interested to know if these bloodstains were found because the search dogs led to them? And if yes, were these the same search dogs that searched for Madeleine?
I apologise if I am wrong because I vaguely remember the stains being found by these dogs.

The UK police cadaver dog Eddie (and maybe blood dog Keela not sure?) did search some large outdoor areas to the north of the apartment as marked on this PJ map however Quinta dos Figos is not included in the mapped areas, which means IMO the UK dogs were not involved at QdF.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P8/08_VOLUME_VIIIa_Page_2058.jpg

 

[JugsAndTugs]

I know RM placed himself right in the middle of the Media side of things as some sort of translator. But does anybody think it very odd that he was also LE translator? Sitting in and providing translations during crèche staff interviews! That is bizarre, since it being a base for tourists and with much burglary occurring, surely LE have an English translator working with them already! I just do not get that! X

Seriously it does strike weird, always thought the same thing... like what police force would do that!?

 

[JugsAndTugs]

"El caso Madeleine McCan fue un robo que se convirtió en secuestro" - ESdiario.

Interesting article here in Spanish, if you use chrome it can be translated to English. The notable comment being: “I am in contact with the German prosecutor, H. Christian Wolters, and I consider him a person of integrity, who knows what he is talking about. He has proof that Madeleine is dead, from searches made in Neuwegersleben, Germany, since February 2016, where a massive amount of pedophile audiovisual material was found, in an abandoned factory that the suspect used to use. I consider this line of investigation not only auspicious but most likely the one that will lead to the resolution of the case.“

Seriously, they must have something. I’m going to be full of rage if this all gets know where and they say that.

 

[redplanet]

... and swabs taken of marks (possibly blood?) at a different location, see lines 15-16
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/oa/OA2_4/o_apenso_4_Vol_2_p285.jpg

....probably irrelevant IMO but that address is nextdoor to a clinic.

 

[enjy15]

Seriously, they must have something. I’m going to be full of rage if this all gets know where and they say that.

I am with you. It is frustrating, when the news about CB as a suspect first dropped I thought he would have been put away by now and we would have a conclusion. All the media exaggerations and mistranslations lead to false hope too. I am really hoping something comes from this finally after so many false calls.

 

[Newthoughts]

Need to get to work soon, but just going through pjfiles again. This statement is one that continues to niggle me.

P.J. POLICE FILES: MRS PAMELA FENN STATEMENT

Is there a possibility that someone broke into the apartment and abused/photographed the children, likely MM, on 1 May? Do children always reveal to their parents what has happened to them in these circumstances?

We’re the children aware they were being left unattended, or did the parents wait for them to be asleep and then leave?

If something happened the night of 1May, even if MM for whatever reason didn’t tell her parents, wouldn’t she be upset if she knew they were going out again? So I’m thinking the children thought their parents were in the apartment each night. And also that someone could have broken in earlier in the week and done something to MM that she didn’t tell anyone about

I also think this is very relevant - maybe not done anything but certainly frightened her - she was crying for a while. PF was out on the 2nd so heard nothing but KM says MM says she was crying and asked why they didn't come.

I don’t think it’s bizarre in the sense that people do want to help on things if they can, in my experience of life. I think it’s sloppy that he was allowed to do so, in the sense that I would generally expect police procedures to be tighter. I wouldn’t expect it to happen nowadays, but a lot of services are much more readily available nowadays.

There are omissions in some 2007 statements compared to 2008 ones done in the UK. I read the 2008 JW one which mentions a woman in purple - possibly JT difficult to tell - and a guy with long blonde dreadlocks - later identified as another OC tourist. Although these have now been accounted for they don't appear in the 2007 statement. I don't think RM was probably up to the job of translating. My cousin was a translator for the Irish govt in the EU - it's an incredibly difficult job - not for an amateur ex pat.

 

[Anxala]

A lot of Countries just seem to be 'so behind the times' when it comes to things like this. In all my life, I've never known a UK criminal case to ever leave a stone unturned, or to ever allow a local-to-the-scene in on the case purely because they are specifically good at something (translating etc). Honestly, it is bizarre to me! X

^ Hmm. This from 2018 -

Hundreds of court cases axed over failings

The number of prosecutions in England and Wales that collapsed because of a failure by police or prosecutors to disclose evidence increased by 70% in the last two years, the BBC can reveal. Last year, 916 people had charges dropped over a failure to disclose evidence - up from 537 in 2014-15.

 

[Victoria Chambers]

Seriously it does strike weird, always thought the same thing... like what police force would do that!?

I know, I can't get over it! It just proves how unprofessional they worked from day one! X

 

[Victoria Chambers]

Hmm.

Hundreds of court cases axed over failings

Honestly, I was waiting for somebody to have a pop at the police, But I don't know about court cases that get dropped. I was referring to high profile cases that are solvable and that produce a result. This case was solveable if it had not been botched in the way that it was. Now it is just a mass of messy scrawled on pieces of paper! X

 

[haden]

The UK police cadaver dog Eddie (and maybe blood dog Keela not sure?) did search some large outdoor areas to the north of the apartment as marked on this PJ map however Quinta dos Figos is not included in the mapped areas, which means IMO the UK dogs were not involved at QdF.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P8/08_VOLUME_VIIIa_Page_2058.jpg

This was before E&K came. Portuguese dogs were used.

 

[SuperdadV8]

This was before E&K came. Portuguese dogs were used.

Let's be honest. According to the infos in the link below, what should the sniffer dogs really should reveal, that could be reliable.

Scent from a towel (why not clothes or the sheets of her bed?) that was assumed to be used by her. Tracking her in a holiday club and the closer area, that she might have frequented the days before and the day she vanished?!

Articles about sniffer dogs

 

[Anxala]

There are a lot of "strange" people involved in that case, that still seem to have the need to speak and defend themselves, even in a Netflix broadcast 12 years later. And everyone of them, although partially ruled out as a suspect, will never give me a trustworthy or reliable feeling about them.

RM (intrusive)

^ Just a reminder -

BBC NEWS | UK | Court 'vindicates' McCann suspect

 

[Anxala]

Honestly, I was waiting for somebody to have a pop at the police...

Nope, just pointing out facts contrary to your 'I've never known a UK criminal case to ever leave a stone unturned' claim.

 

[Lilly b]

^ Just a reminder -

BBC NEWS | UK | Court 'vindicates' McCann suspect

Let's face it the portuguese police just wanted anyone to be charged, and quickly, as they couldn't be bothered to do a proper job, to do that properly they needed a lot more manpower, specialist search investigators, and divers, they should of got helicopters that night, the list goes on and on