Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #17

[redplanet]

P.J. POLICE FILES: PORTUGUESE FORENSIC INSTITUTE TESTS

ETA: as I understand that, those human blood stains from Quinta dos Figos were from a male. Of course not MM, but could it be someone of interest? This part is enigmatic where they say no identity with "profiles sent by email on 8th November 2007 and in the letter number 034308 of the 4th October 2007". Who's those profiles?

A person falling over and getting a graze or cut? A person having a nosebleed? Lots of possibilities. BTW it's about 550 meters from the apartment.

 

[redplanet]

... and swabs taken of marks (possibly blood?) at a different location, see lines 15-16
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/oa/OA2_4/o_apenso_4_Vol_2_p285.jpg

 

[haden]

I am interested to know if these bloodstains were found because the search dogs led to them? And if yes, were these the same search dogs that searched for Madeleine?
I apologise if I am wrong because I vaguely remember the stains being found by these dogs.

 

[peanutJelly]

Interesting thoughts here on the allotment excavation and CB journey there from PdL

Madeleine v police thinking in Seelze

 

[peanutJelly]

Also just remembered this statement, wonder if this car was ever identified?

P.J. POLICE FILES: ARLINDO EPIFANIO GONCALVES FERNANDES PELEGA

 

[Tabech29]

I am interested to know if these bloodstains were found because the search dogs led to them? And if yes, were these the same search dogs that searched for Madeleine?
I apologise if I am wrong because I vaguely remember the stains being found by these dogs.

This is the thing, the dogs are trained for exactly this. Unfortunately they don't talk and they can't tell whose blood or cadaver was at the alerted place. Sorry I know I'm not answering your question because I also don't know if it was the same dogs. But just saying that the dogs are capable of doing their job, even alerting to any trace of blood or cadaver odor. It's just a matter of having the DNA to prove whose blood or cadaver it is.

 

[peanutJelly]

Need to get to work soon, but just going through pjfiles again. This statement is one that continues to niggle me.

P.J. POLICE FILES: MRS PAMELA FENN STATEMENT

Is there a possibility that someone broke into the apartment and abused/photographed the children, likely MM, on 1 May? Do children always reveal to their parents what has happened to them in these circumstances?

We’re the children aware they were being left unattended, or did the parents wait for them to be asleep and then leave?

If something happened the night of 1May, even if MM for whatever reason didn’t tell her parents, wouldn’t she be upset if she knew they were going out again? So I’m thinking the children thought their parents were in the apartment each night. And also that someone could have broken in earlier in the week and done something to MM that she didn’t tell anyone about

 

[Ardoch]

Need to get to work soon, but just going through pjfiles again. This statement is one that continues to niggle me.

P.J. POLICE FILES: MRS PAMELA FENN STATEMENT

Is there a possibility that someone broke into the apartment and abused/photographed the children, likely MM, on 1 May? Do children always reveal to their parents what has happened to them in these circumstances?

We’re the children aware they were being left unattended, or did the parents wait for them to be asleep and then leave?

If something happened the night of 1May, even if MM for whatever reason didn’t tell her parents, wouldn’t she be upset if she knew they were going out again? So I’m thinking the children thought their parents were in the apartment each night. And also that someone could have broken in earlier in the week and done something to MM that she didn’t tell anyone about

Good points.

 

[Victoria Chambers]

I know RM placed himself right in the middle of the Media side of things as some sort of translator. But does anybody think it very odd that he was also LE translator? Sitting in and providing translations during crèche staff interviews! That is bizarre, since it being a base for tourists and with much burglary occurring, surely LE have an English translator working with them already! I just do not get that! X

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

I know RM placed himself right in the middle of the Media side of things as some sort of translator. But does anybody think it very odd that he was also LE translator? Sitting in and providing translations during crèche staff interviews! That is bizarre, since it being a base for tourists and with much burglary occurring, surely LE have an English translator working with them already! I just do not get that! X

I don’t think it’s bizarre in the sense that people do want to help on things if they can, in my experience of life. I think it’s sloppy that he was allowed to do so, in the sense that I would generally expect police procedures to be tighter. I wouldn’t expect it to happen nowadays, but a lot of services are much more readily available nowadays.

 

[SuperdadV8]

I know RM placed himself right in the middle of the Media side of things as some sort of translator. But does anybody think it very odd that he was also LE translator? Sitting in and providing translations during crèche staff interviews! That is bizarre, since it being a base for tourists and with much burglary occurring, surely LE have an English translator working with them already! I just do not get that! X

There are a lot of "strange" people involved in that case, that still seem to have the need to speak and defend themselves, even in a Netflix broadcast 12 years later. And everyone of them, although partially ruled out as a suspect, will never give me a trustworthy or reliable feeling about them.

RM (intrusive)
SM (still offended of losing a crappy 90s Audi in 2007)
GA (cop in charge and forger)
PPC (cop in charge and head of criminal gang)

But that won't solve the case at last. Let's see, what HCW's strategy brings up the next week or months.

 

[enjy15]

"El caso Madeleine McCan fue un robo que se convirtió en secuestro" - ESdiario.

Interesting article here in Spanish, if you use chrome it can be translated to English. The notable comment being: “I am in contact with the German prosecutor, H. Christian Wolters, and I consider him a person of integrity, who knows what he is talking about. He has proof that Madeleine is dead, from searches made in Neuwegersleben, Germany, since February 2016, where a massive amount of pedophile audiovisual material was found, in an abandoned factory that the suspect used to use. I consider this line of investigation not only auspicious but most likely the one that will lead to the resolution of the case.“

 

[enjy15]

"El caso Madeleine McCan fue un robo que se convirtió en secuestro" - ESdiario.

Interesting article here in Spanish, if you use chrome it can be translated to English. The notable comment being: “I am in contact with the German prosecutor, H. Christian Wolters, and I consider him a person of integrity, who knows what he is talking about. He has proof that Madeleine is dead, from searches made in Neuwegersleben, Germany, since February 2016, where a massive amount of pedophile audiovisual material was found, in an abandoned factory that the suspect used to use. I consider this line of investigation not only auspicious but most likely the one that will lead to the resolution of the case.“

I also want to add to “They [Kate and Gerry] wont accept Madeleine’s death without solid evidence. Prosecutor Wolters has that evidence but will not release it until the appropriate time comes.”

I assume the appropriate time would be when CB is charged?

 

[SuperdadV8]

I also want to add to “They [Kate and Gerry] wont accept Madeleine’s death without solid evidence. Prosecutor Wolters has that evidence but will not release it until the appropriate time comes.”

I assume the appropriate time would be when CB is charged?

I would think so, due to tactical reasons. Once he makes it public, the suspect will remain silent. Until now, there is still a small possibility for a full confession, to prohibit a preventive detention after the life sentence. But that lies in FF's hands. So the right time could also be a simple interrogation, with handing out investigation files to the solicitor.

IMO FF's holy water statement was just tactics also. So HCW will keep on placing single bits of info by the time, to increase pressure.

 

[Victoria Chambers]

I don’t think it’s bizarre in the sense that people do want to help on things if they can, in my experience of life. I think it’s sloppy that he was allowed to do so, in the sense that I would generally expect police procedures to be tighter. I wouldn’t expect it to happen nowadays, but a lot of services are much more readily available nowadays.

I would expect that all the people he translated for to be re interviewed by a professional translator the very minute that RM was made a suspect. A lot of Countries just seem to be 'so behind the times' when it comes to things like this. In all my life, I've never known a UK criminal case to ever leave a stone unturned, or to ever allow a local-to-the-scene in on the case purely because they are specifically good at something (translating etc). Honestly, it is bizarre to me! X

 

[Ardoch]

Sorry to interrupt, how do you find a post that you made a while back on the search function? Do I put in my name and then an abbreviated version of what I'm looking for? Thanks.

 

[enjy15]

I would think so, due to tactical reasons. Once he makes it public, the suspect will remain silent. Until now, there is still a small possibility for a full connfession, to prohibit a preventive detention after the life sentence. But that lies in FF's hands. So the right time could also be a simple interrogation, with handing out investigation files to the solicitor.

IMO FF's holy water statement was just tactics also. So HCW will keep on placing single bits of info by the time, to increase pressure.

I agree, FF took this case pro bono he wants to win this case for himself. He is playing tactics. His statements are to put pressure on the prosecution so they release statement early or question CB before they are ready IMO. I think German LE are doing great by putting their cards to their chest and keeping quiet, I think they have a strong case behind them and want it to be air tight so they’re taking no risks.

 

[Ardoch]

"El caso Madeleine McCan fue un robo que se convirtió en secuestro" - ESdiario.

Interesting article here in Spanish, if you use chrome it can be translated to English. The notable comment being: “I am in contact with the German prosecutor, H. Christian Wolters, and I consider him a person of integrity, who knows what he is talking about. He has proof that Madeleine is dead, from searches made in Neuwegersleben, Germany, since February 2016, where a massive amount of pedophile audiovisual material was found, in an abandoned factory that the suspect used to use. I consider this line of investigation not only auspicious but most likely the one that will lead to the resolution of the case.“

That's a good find enjy15. He seems a credible person too and raises very interesting points.
The first hours/days and weeks were crucial. The lack of an immediate checkpoint was a massive flaw in the case regardless of the reason/s why it never happened. A post/link made yesterday (sorry, not scrolled) also said of the possibility that the abductor/s knew a checkpoint wouldn't be set up quickly enough too.

 

[SuperdadV8]

I agree, FF took this case pro bono he wants to win this case for himself. He is playing tactics. His statements are to put pressure on the prosecution so they release statement early or question CB before they are ready IMO. I think German LE are doing great by putting their cards to their chest and keeping quiet, I think they have a strong case behind them and want it to be air tight so they’re taking no risks.

That's my personal opinion too. There is no need to hurry. They know, that they brandmarked him for life. No german prosecuter does that on purpose, if he/she isn't sure, the suspect is the one they're looking for. That needs much more than a simple verdict!

There's also a possibility, that the MM'case is already investigated for a safe charge. BKA investigated it since 2017, HCW since 2018. That is a lot of time for one single case IMO. But i assume, this investigation goes further, according to other victims.

If HJG's statement to the Neuwegersleben evidence is true, than even to give that knowledge to him, is also tactical behavior. As far as i know, not even SY and PJ got info about the crucial evidence, HCW claims to have. So maybe the investigation has gone on further in that way, that speaking about would not harm it anymore. Who knows...

 

[enjy15]

That's a good find enjy15. He seems a credible person too and raises very interesting points.
The first hours/days and weeks were crucial. The lack of an immediate checkpoint was a massive flaw in the case regardless of the reason/s why it never happened. A post/link made yesterday (sorry, not scrolled) also said of the possibility that the abductor/s knew a checkpoint wouldn't be set up quickly enough too.

If he is credible and reliable it confirms the theory that the evidence is photos/videos which is upsetting. It seems like they just need to back up the photo/video evidence with something such as DNA, clothing etc. I hope the allotment search was successful and they can put this monster behind bars.

The Portuguese police unfortunately underestimated the case thinking MM would have gone for a wander or it was an accident at the apartment. It gave the abductor a lot of extra time. Hindsight is a wonderful thing!