Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #17

[SuperdadV8]

^ Just a reminder -

BBC NEWS | UK | Court 'vindicates' McCann suspect

I know that. Just posted my own opinion on him. I also quoted, that he has been ruled out and it will not solve that case.

And that due to the fact, that "media horny" people are not really the kind of people, that i would call reliable. Just personal opinion. Not more.

 

[Ardoch]

"El caso Madeleine McCan fue un robo que se convirtió en secuestro" - ESdiario.

Interesting article here in Spanish, if you use chrome it can be translated to English. The notable comment being: “I am in contact with the German prosecutor, H. Christian Wolters, and I consider him a person of integrity, who knows what he is talking about. He has proof that Madeleine is dead, from searches made in Neuwegersleben, Germany, since February 2016, where a massive amount of pedophile audiovisual material was found, in an abandoned factory that the suspect used to use. I consider this line of investigation not only auspicious but most likely the one that will lead to the resolution of the case.“

The fact that the <not allowed to swear on WS> who carry out these heinous, monstrous acts know full well that children won't come forward as witnesses adds to my revulsion.

 

[tedtink]

I know RM placed himself right in the middle of the Media side of things as some sort of translator. But does anybody think it very odd that he was also LE translator? Sitting in and providing translations during crèche staff interviews! That is bizarre, since it being a base for tourists and with much burglary occurring, surely LE have an English translator working with them already! I just do not get that! X

I find it unprofessional, but not bizarre.
I think RM was just trying to be helpful.
It's a very sad world when a man can be vilified so much, like he was, for just being helpful.
If it had been a woman, nobody would have taken any notice, or would have said how lovely and kind she was being.
Thanks to Lori C and her 'Ian Huntley' moment RM is still having the finger pointed at him now, marked for life, humanity can be very irrational and unkind imo.

“I was cleared of everything right back in 2008 but the fact is that in some people’s minds there’s still going to be a link.”
Robert Murat: where is the cleared McCann suspect now?

 

[Betty_Boop88]

I find it unprofessional, but not bizarre.
I think RM was just trying to be helpful.
It's a very sad world when a man can be vilified so much, like he was, for just being helpful.
If it had been a woman, nobody would have taken any notice, or would have said how lovely and kind she was being.
Thanks to Lori C and her 'Ian Huntley' moment RM is still having the finger pointed at him now, marked for life, humanity can be very irrational and unkind imo.

Ya try to be helpful and next thing you know, you’re boning cats!

 

[SuperdadV8]

Ya try to be helpful and next thing you know, you’re boning cats!

Yes, media brought up these strange claim and that is not fair of course! But to me it looked, he was also searching for that kind of attention.

If you play with the devil, don't complain about some heat, sorry. If I had gone through the he has, my interest in media-attention would be finished. But obviously not for him and that has nothing to do with the case either.

 

[haden]

Let's be honest. According to the infos in the link below, what should the sniffer dogs really should reveal, that could be reliable.

Scent from a towel (why not clothes or the sheets of her bed?) that was assumed to be used by her. Tracking her in a holiday club and the closer area, that she might have frequented the days before and the day she vanished?!

Articles about sniffer dogs

Yeah but what I find strange is they all ( 8 dogs if I remember well) used the same route and they all STOPPED at the parking area across the OC reception and near the lamp post.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Yeah but what I find strange is they all ( 8 dogs if I remember well) used the same route and they all STOPPED at the parking area across the OC reception and near the lamp post.

Yes, that should be the place, where the trace ended. Hard to think, the abductor carries the child around town. There should have been the vehicle, she has been put in and obviously that car was not parked there, but maybe just stopped for seconds, to catch up two people.

And that leeds to an accomplice of CB IMO. Maybe the accomplice that is the ace upon the sleeve of german L.E., the one that led to the excavation in Hannover and the one, FF referred to. The one, that expects better conditions to his conviction.

 

[Officer Dibble]

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You know that Admin @sillybilly has repeated a thousand times that this thread is ONLY about the suspect and not about the parents. There is another thread in websleuths where you can discuss the parents. This is not the place.

 

[MENDEL]

... and swabs taken of marks (possibly blood?) at a different location, see lines 15-16
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/oa/OA2_4/o_apenso_4_Vol_2_p285.jpg

Line 15 - swabs of possible hematic stains collected at Rua 25 de Abril, PDL! That's too near Smithsonian sighting and worth sleuthing.

 

[Victoria Chambers]

I find it unprofessional, but not bizarre.
I think RM was just trying to be helpful.
It's a very sad world when a man can be vilified so much, like he was, for just being helpful.
If it had been a woman, nobody would have taken any notice, or would have said how lovely and kind she was being.
Thanks to Lori C and her 'Ian Huntley' moment RM is still having the finger pointed at him now, marked for life, humanity can be very irrational and unkind imo.

“I was cleared of everything right back in 2008 but the fact is that in some people’s minds there’s still going to be a link.”
Robert Murat: where is the cleared McCann suspect now?

I don't think it was really Lori C concerns that made law enforcement name RM as a suspect. But I do believe that people like Lori, who work particular fields for the Media for years at a time, they do become investigative journalists of sorts. They did pick up on Ian Huntley and did hear remarks that were spoken in the 'past tense'. Things they had learnt along the way. And good on them! Perhaps RM was just being helpful, that is not what bothers me. I find it completely bizarre that LE would take somebody off the streets to act as a translator during very important interviews, that's all X

 

[MENDEL]

I also want to add to “They [Kate and Gerry] wont accept Madeleine’s death without solid evidence. Prosecutor Wolters has that evidence but will not release it until the appropriate time comes.”

I assume the appropriate time would be when CB is charged?

The last possible appropriate time must be trial which must be public according to current international western standards.

 

[MENDEL]

The UK police cadaver dog Eddie (and maybe blood dog Keela not sure?) did search some large outdoor areas to the north of the apartment as marked on this PJ map however Quinta dos Figos is not included in the mapped areas, which means IMO the UK dogs were not involved at QdF.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P8/08_VOLUME_VIIIa_Page_2058.jpg

If QDL stains were discarded as suspect it would be nonsense perhaps using dogs there.

 

[Pixie Child]

I know RM placed himself right in the middle of the Media side of things as some sort of translator. But does anybody think it very odd that he was also LE translator? Sitting in and providing translations during crèche staff interviews! That is bizarre, since it being a base for tourists and with much burglary occurring, surely LE have an English translator working with them already! I just do not get that! X

I don’t question RM’s innocence at all but I found it interesting that when asked if he knew where there were paedophiles, he mentioned the Baraoes area (Barao de San Miguel & Barao de Sao Joao where CB was selling drugs at parties). Probably of no relevance but it would be interesting to know whom RM was talking about.

 

[SuperdadV8]

I don’t question RM’s innocence at all but I found it interesting that when asked if he knew where there were paedophiles, he mentioned the Baraoes area (Barao de San Miguel & Barao de Sao Joao where CB was selling drugs at parties). Probably of no relevance but it would be interesting to know whom RM was talking about.

Sorry girls and boys in here, that guy still keeps strange to me. But he is not a part of the equation. The interesting thing is, that pedophilia seemed to be some part of algarve at the time. Hushed up by everybody. Locals and officials.

That explains a lot to me....

 

[Victoria Chambers]

Nope, just pointing out facts contrary to your 'I've never known a UK criminal case to ever leave a stone unturned' claim.

No, you pointed out court cases that were dropped. I was talking about criminal cases that were solved and that is largely due to the time and effort put in by LE. As a whole they are very professional. And I know UK LE annoyed many people in Portugal and that was all down to the fact that they wanted EVERY lead, EVERY sighting etc to be followed up on. I'm from the UK but can only speak for myself when I say that British LE put their hearts and souls into locating any of our children should they go missing. They cannot be faulted for it! X

 

[peanutJelly]

I also think this is very relevant - maybe not done anything but certainly frightened her - she was crying for a while. PF was out on the 2nd so heard nothing but KM says MM says she was crying and asked why they didn't come.

There are omissions in some 2007 statements compared to 2008 ones done in the UK. I read the 2008 JW one which mentions a woman in purple - possibly JT difficult to tell - and a guy with long blonde dreadlocks - later identified as another OC tourist. Although these have now been accounted for they don't appear in the 2007 statement. I don't think RM was probably up to the job of translating. My cousin was a translator for the Irish govt in the EU - it's an incredibly difficult job - not for an amateur ex pat.

Yes there’s been some discussion about whether MM was crying on 1 or 2, PF says 1st as she was out on 2nd, KM says 2nd as MM told her about it on 3rd. Either MM got mixed up (not unusual for 3/4 yr old) or maybe she cried both night

 

[MENDEL]

Let's face it the portuguese police just wanted anyone to be charged, and quickly, as they couldn't be bothered to do a proper job, to do that properly they needed a lot more manpower, specialist search investigators, and divers, they should of got helicopters that night, the list goes on and on

"When the public prosecutor José de Magalhães e Menezes held the final report of the criminal police dated June 20, 2008 in his hands, he could not avoid praising the enormous diligence of the investigators. The distillate comprises 4,500 pages in 17 volumes, plus 12,000 pages with bills, wiretapping, analyzes and requests for legal assistance, and finally 5,000 pages with apparently worthless information from the population.

The police visited 443 apartments and searched 30 square kilometers with two helicopters, four ships and jeeps. The laboratories tested 257 hairs from homes and cars; that alone cost tens of thousands of euros. But in the end, the investigators have nothing in hand."

Not very discreet. Of course, if UK LE was there they would find her.

Madeleine McCann - Das Kind, nach dem die ganze Welt suchte - Panorama - sueddeutsche.de

 

[peanutJelly]

Yeah but what I find strange is they all ( 8 dogs if I remember well) used the same route and they all STOPPED at the parking area across the OC reception and near the lamp post.

Which I’m sure in my previous link was where the grey car was parked

 

[MENDEL]

Yeah but what I find strange is they all ( 8 dogs if I remember well) used the same route and they all STOPPED at the parking area across the OC reception and near the lamp post.

Yes, those dog paths are very important and must be a clue but no one here, me included, nor any LE which analyzed that so far could offer a plausible explanation for that path.

 

[Newthoughts]

Yes there’s been some discussion about whether MM was crying on 1 or 2, PF says 1st as she was out on 2nd, KM says 2nd as MM told her about it on 3rd. Either MM got mixed up (not unusual for 3/4 yr old) or maybe she cried both night

Both are possible. Especially if checking was more relaxed later on.

Small children are bad at accuracy. They have nightmares and most parents would interpret a claim that somebody had been there as just that. Children are often reassured by being told it was just a bad dream so that might have been what she reported