Found Deceased Malaysia - Nora Quoirin, 15, from UK, special needs, missing on vacation, Seremban, 4 Aug 2019 #4

[Kubirai]

Have you thoughts as to who the 'someone' may be?

Of course, but can't discuss until new information comes out. I will look up a previous case, which was similar.

Regarding surviving only on water, a boy got locked in the bathroom of his school, just before Ramadan holidays. He wrote a note each day, until he couldn't. YouTube has the 1970s movie.

If Nora didn't develop ulcer immediately from extreme stress, she probably could have survived 2 weeks. Hypothermia wasn't an issue, and autopsy didn't indicate dehydration due to water borne pathogens.

 

[steff13]

Of course, but can't discuss until new information comes out. I will look up a previous case, which was similar.

Are you implying that you are privy to information that hasn't been made public?

 

[Lola68]

The turning point was the information that Nora really wanted to see the waterfall, not the reward.

When was the info re the waterfall made public? Same time as the reward? Or was this information disclosed from the beginning

 

[Kubirai]

I don’t think police would of put as much effort into finding her as they did if the parents said she probably just wandered off.

Exact opposite ... police searched with the assumption that she wandered off.

 

[Kubirai]

When was the info re the waterfall made public? Same time as the reward? Or was this information disclosed from the beginning

The hiking group was told about Nora's desire to see the waterfall, so they went straight towards the waterfall. Otherwise, they would probably have searched nearer the cabin.

No news article, or video interview, mention when this critical information was communicated, and by whom.

 

[JennyDee]

The investigation isn’t over the parents will want a picture of how she got out the house so fingerprints and dna etc will help eliminate strangers and if Nora climbed out the window.
Her missing underwear and the route she took hopefully will be discovered because of forensics maybe they could build a picture of what happened.
<modsnip - stating info as fact without MSM link>

 

[JennyDee]

Exact opposite ... police searched with the assumption that she wandered off.

Yes I know they did at first but the parents insisting from the start definitely helped the investigation

 

[steff13]

The investigation isn’t over the parents will want a picture of how she got out the house so fingerprints and dna etc will help eliminate strangers and if Nora climbed out the window.

I doubt there will ever be a complete picture of how she got out of the house. And we don't know she didn't just walk out the door. They have already taken fingerprints at the chalet, there was one that they couldn't identify on the window. But it's a holiday chalet; that print could belong to any one of probably hundreds of people from all over the world.

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

This Daily Mail piece has just been updated and some wording changed around.

Have attached s/shot from app the earlier report was on as couldn't cut and paste it. Updated report link below.

The French grandfather believes someone put her where she was found "to get rid of her". Her uncle says they are still "dubious".

How could they have missed her? Nora Quoirin's grandfather says 'dark areas' surround her death | Daily Mail Online

 

[JennyDee]

It’s possible her parents were asked did Nora say anything about we’re she wanted to go and maybe they just answered a question and said the waterfall.
This article mentions something about it many articles say the same thing.
Nora Quoirin is found dead: Naked body discovered in Malaysian jungle

 

[Simply Southern]

I sincerely hope that Nora has left sufficient evidence of how she ended up at the waterfall and where she was hiding.

Are there any caves, old houses in the area she could have taken shelter or hidden?

I wonder, if she did find a safe place to hide and maybe that is why she could not be found?

 

[JennyDee]

I doubt there will ever be a complete picture of how she got out of the house. And we don't know she didn't just walk out the door. They have already taken fingerprints at the chalet, there was one that they couldn't identify on the window. But it's a holiday chalet; that print could belong to any one of probably hundreds of people from all over the world.

You would hope they would have names and addresses of everyone who rented that particular house and ask them visit their local police station for fingerprints and they could be sent to the Malaysian police straight away easy.

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

Uncle, Pacome Quoirin, also added... on attached:

"The findings that were announced in no way discredit a criminal act. She could have been kidnapped and fed at the beginning. There is insufficient evidence to jump to definitive conclusions."

 

[JennyDee]

5 key blunders in hunt for tragic Nora slammed by Maddie investigator

 

[Lola68]

The hiking group was told about Nora's desire to see the waterfall, so they went straight towards the waterfall. Otherwise, they would probably have searched nearer the cabin.

No news article, or video interview, mention when this critical information was communicated, and by whom.

The timing of when this info was a) communicated to search teams/hiking group and b) made public could be crucial - or irrelevant.

The statements from the search team who found Nora's body suggest that they specifically focused on this area because of info re Nora's excitement about the waterfall (new intel or already known to search teams?). What's also not clear (or I've missed) is whether Nora's desire to see the waterfall (and speculation that she may have been trying to get there) was made public before the search teams and/or hikers set out in this direction, or after her body was found.

 

[Simply Southern]

The hiking group was told about Nora's desire to see the waterfall, so they went straight towards the waterfall. Otherwise, they would probably have searched nearer the cabin.

No news article, or video interview, mention when this critical information was communicated, and by whom.

We did discuss how the hikers may have know she wanted to go to the waterfall. Some seemed to think, it was a local folks who heard from, family or the,resort.

Hum...so the key to unlocking the mystery is the waterfall?

Should be researching the waterfall ?

Just trying to understand where we need to look.

You are so helpful. You helped me so much last night.

Thank you!!!!

Jmo

 

[Skigh]

5 key blunders in hunt for tragic Nora slammed by Maddie investigator[/QUOTE
I have no faith in the McCanns investigators.
I could say more,but I won't.

 

[CuriousObserver1]

Exact opposite ... police searched with the assumption that she wandered off.

I think they publicly said they were searching as if she wandered off because it is not good for a kidnapping / or abduction to be the main headline so they where in damage limitation mode.

 

[Kubirai]

Hum...so the key to unlocking the mystery is the waterfall?

It is important to figure out who else knew that Nora was excited about the waterfall, and who told them.

But there are other important issues too. The route she may have taken, if she was carried, etc. There will be traces of her hiding places beside the stream, not too far into the jungle.

 

[bykerladi]

https://nypost.com/2019/08/15/nora-quoirin-died-from-starvation-stress-in-malaysia-autopsy/

This raises additional questions.