MI MI - Julia Niswender, 23, EMU student, Ypsilanti, 10 Dec 2012 - #2

[MIMOMMY]

Actually she is speaking in regards to both JT and KT when she makes the statement about "giving a statement" and my understanding is that they have both done so...more than once.

In fact...JT has "given two statements, done two polygraphs, given DNA, fingerprints, as well as handing over his laptop,"

 

[Spellbound]

Actually she is speaking in regards to both JT and KT when she makes the statement about "giving a statement" and my understanding is that they have both done so...more than once.

In fact...JT has "given two statements, done two polygraphs, given DNA, fingerprints, as well as handing over his laptop,"

Yes, reports seem to indicate JT has been interviewed, but they also say he will not speak about his whereabouts surrounding the days of her death. If that is true, why won't he? As for polygraphs, who gave them? (not asking, just wonder whether they were by LE, his own attorney's rep, etc). Polygraphs are not allowed to be used in court, so that doesn't weigh too heavily for me, either way.

http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2015/03/shes_spitting_lies_says_julia.html
After the brief hearing, dozens of family members spilled out into the hallway and outside the 1st District Court in Monroe. Some jeered and gave unfriendly gestures to family members from a distance.

Why do they have to do this? Do they not realize it makes them appear less than worthy of support? I can understand if they are angry, hurt, disappointed, but I do not understand either side showing such disrespect in or near a court.
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Another update from Monroe News
http://www.monroenews.com/news/2015/mar/17/turnquists-bond-reduced/

 

[robinsonrn84]

None of that family has sat down and had a one on one interview with detectives.
And now the mother has lawyered up as well as the step father

 

[FindHG]

None of that family has sat down and had a one on one interview with detectives.
And now the mother has lawyered up as well as the step father

:welcome6:

Thank you for pitching in. I'm glad you've joined WS and are posting, very welcome. I look forward to more.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Go Grandma! Lady justice!

 

[rosesfromangels]

Actually she is speaking in regards to both JT and KT when she makes the statement about "giving a statement" and my understanding is that they have both done so...more than once.

In fact...JT has "given two statements, done two polygraphs, given DNA, fingerprints, as well as handing over his laptop,"

The fact he has passed two polygraphs (given by whom?) does weigh in his favor. I do believe they are useful, directionally. In his particular case, we know that those expertly trained in martial arts, do possess the ability to alter the results of those tests to *some* degree. Martial arts or not, there are certain things that a subject can do to alter the calibration of their reactions. But again, the fact that he has passed two polys can not be overlooked, from a directional standpoint.

This being said, why does this man come off so dang hinky and suspicious? Why is the Grandma so adamant that this guy is a perp? Why did he go 5150 and allegedly become suicidal and/or homicidal? (Allegedly). Were Julia and Chelsea affected in anyway by his alleged child *advertiser censored* possession? God forbid, were they subjects of this *advertiser censored*? Did they discover this, and were going to report him?

There are so many unanswered questions about this man that need to be answered. And at the moment, he is the only suspect link that I know of between Julia Niswender and Chelsea Bruck.

And I trust the Grandmother's instinct. She knows the players, what has been said....and unsaid. Julia didn't come to live with her for no reason.
While we don't want to convict this POI without evidence, he remains in my mind, a person of great suspicion with a lot to explain.

 

[Spellbound]

Grandma is quite certain there was sexual abuse of some sort by JT toward Julia, and that is why Julia came to live with Grandma. I doubt that allegation is made lightly, or it would have come out much sooner than this. See the video or article with Charlie Langton:

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/2...rder-in-court-for-child-*advertiser censored*

 

[rosesfromangels]

Grandma is quite certain there was sexual abuse of some sort by JT toward Julia, and that is why Julia came to live with Grandma. I doubt that allegation is made lightly, or it would have come out much sooner than this. See the video or article with Charlie Langton:

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/2...rder-in-court-for-child-*advertiser censored*

That was the first time I have actually seen a clip of the Grandmother speaking. She is obviously terrified of Turnquist, and afraid for her safety. The courts were nuts to let this guy out of jail on such a low bond. I am even more concerned after watching this clip. Why Jennifer Niswender is so vehemently defending her step father is curious. He, at minimum, has been arrested for possession of child *advertiser censored*. She knows that her own twin sister who was MURDERED had to leave te household to live with the Grandma, because Julia and Turnquist "didn't get along". With this knowledge, why doesn't she just stand down and let LE review the facts?

This case is deeply, deeply disturbing at many levels.
There is so much more to be revealed.
I think it was a grave error of judgement to let Turnquist out of jail. Grandma needs a restraining order.

 

[FindHG]

That was the first time I have actually seen a clip of the Grandmother speaking. She is obviously terrified of Turnquist, and afraid for her safety. The courts were nuts to let this guy out of jail on such a low bond. I am even more concerned after watching this clip. Why Jennifer Niswender is so vehemently defending her step father is curious. He, at minimum, has been arrested for possession of child *advertiser censored*. She knows that her own twin sister who was MURDERED had to leave te household to live with the Grandma, because Julia and Turnquist "didn't get along". With this knowledge, why doesn't she just stand down and let LE review the facts?

This case is deeply, deeply disturbing at many levels.
There is so much more to be revealed.
I think it was a grave error of judgement to let Turnquist out of jail. Grandma needs a restraining order.

This was mentioned


"she is worried about her own safety because she said Mr. Turnquist had threatened her in the past. She said she has a personal protection order against him. “I’m very concerned,”

bbm

http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2015/03/shes_spitting_lies_says_julia.html

 

[rosesfromangels]

Court was delayed until 2:30 FYI. TEAM RED!

This is the first time I have ever seen a group of people ("TEAM RED!) assemble in a court room to support someone who has been charged with (allegedly) possessing child *advertiser censored*.

 

[hockeymom4]

This is the first time I have ever seen a group of people ("TEAM RED!) assemble in a court room to support someone who has been charged with (allegedly) possessing child *advertiser censored*.

Agree. I have never seen this kinda support for the person police have identified as a POI in their loved ones murder while they are in court on any unrelated charges. I have seen them wearing the deceased or missing persons colors. This is so bizarre to me.

 

[FindHG]

Agree. I have never seen this kinda support for the person police have identified as a POI in their loved ones murder while they are in court on any unrelated charges. I have seen them wearing the deceased or missing persons colors. This is so bizarre to me.

If the step dad is in anyway connected to Julia being killed, then the motive may not have been having the family learn of his abuse, or his peers, because he probably had it covered with them, as his support in court shows. If he had anything to do with Julia's murder the motive probably had more to do with people who would not take his word as fact, like LE who wanted to speak to him about something at the time, before she was drowned. That is clear with how things have played out in court and his supporter. These were the people who stood against her when facing him, it seems to me. From where I sit, they have his back. They never had her's, not while she lived with him as a child, not when she moved to her grandmother's, not that that night in her apartment, it seems to me.

 

[Spellbound]

Any crime or allegation of crime that involves innocent children raises red flags for me. Even as much as I love my family members, if any were accused of a heinous event, I could not have complete faith in their word. People lie to cover up their activities..... and some are better liars than others. Is that the case here? Only time will tell.

If my child or grandchild accused someone of sexual inappropriateness, I would be fully on that child's side. I could not take my husband over the child ..... unless there were extreme circumstances that would cause me to doubt that child's word. While we do not have a child's word as evidence in this case, we do have a child's alleged revelation to the grandmother. Surely the mother and sister were also aware of such an allegation. If so, then why are they defending his character so strongly?

This is a very convoluted case with much unknown at this time.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Agree. I have never seen this kinda support for the person police have identified as a POI in their loved ones murder while they are in court on any unrelated charges. I have seen them wearing the deceased or missing persons colors. This is so bizarre to me.

Indeed.
In contrast, I observe everyone supporting the Lamar family and justice for Sierra Lamar wearing red shoes to court. It's heartbreaking. Wearing a color for a *victim* - YES. Wearing a color for an alleged POI in a murder and someone arrested for possession of *child *advertiser censored**?!?!?!?!?!? - NO.
To me, it's an insult to the victims. In this case, Julia. MY OPINION ONLY

 

[Spellbound]

If the step dad is in anyway connected to Julia being killed, then the motive may not have been having the family learn of his abuse, or his peers, because he probably had it covered with them, as his support in court shows. If he had anything to do with Julia's murder the motive probably had more to do with people who would not take his word as fact, like LE who wanted to speak to him about something at the time, before she was drowned. That is clear with how things have played out in court and his supporter. These were the people who stood against her when facing him, it seems to me. From where I sit, they have his back. They never had her's, not while she lived with him as a child, not when she moved to her grandmother's, not that night in her apartment, it seems to me.

BBM
Sadly, I have to agree with you, FindHG. That is certainly how it is appearing, IMO.

If there is a connection from JT to Julia's murder, what or how could it be? Who would have gone to her apartment that had a connection to JT, that Julia would have let in?

I can't help but wonder if both of the child *advertiser censored* cases in Monroe so close together have a connection. Maybe not to each other specifically, but in some round-about fashion.

 

[FindHG]

Judge lowers bond for stepdad of slain EMU student
By Katrease Stafford, Detroit Free Press 8:21 pm edt Mar 17, '15

The JT and KT
[...]

"told the Free Press the family has posted his bond and Turnquist is scheduled to be released Wednesday after he is fitted with a GPS tether."

[...]

Rose Niswender said she spoke with an Ypsilanti detective this morning about the case.

"She's saying 'Until I can get statements, I can't move forward,'" Rose Niswender said.

[...]

 

[rosesfromangels]

If the step dad is in anyway connected to Julia being killed, then the motive may not have been having the family learn of his abuse, or his peers, because he probably had it covered with them, as his support in court shows. If he had anything to do with Julia's murder the motive probably had more to do with people who would not take his word as fact, like LE who wanted to speak to him about something at the time, before she was drowned. That is clear with how things have played out in court and his supporter. These were the people who stood against her when facing him, it seems to me. From where I sit, they have his back. They never had her's, not while she lived with him as a child, not when she moved to her grandmother's, not that night in her apartment, it seems to me.

And this is *exactly* what I was just sitting in my armchair pondering. *Why* are these people so vigorously backing this man up? A man who has been named a POI in a MURDER?! A man who has been charged with possession of child *advertiser censored*?! Why....why....
The only logical answer I can come up with is:

a)they themselves are somehow involved and have something to hide as well
b)they have some beneficial financial tie to him

What else? Their behavior defies common logic, given the circumstances. (Murder and child *advertiser censored*)

 

[rosesfromangels]

Any crime or allegation of crime that involves innocent children raises red flags for me. Even as much as I love my family members, if any were accused of a heinous event, I could not have complete faith in their word. People lie to cover up their activities..... and some are better liars than others. Is that the case here? Only time will tell.

If my child or grandchild accused someone of sexual inappropriateness, I would be fully on that child's side. I could not take my husband over the child ..... unless there were extreme circumstances that would cause me to doubt that child's word. While we do not have a child's word as evidence in this case, we do have a child's alleged revelation to the grandmother. Surely the mother and sister were also aware of such an allegation. If so, then why are they defending his character so strongly?
This is a very convoluted case with much unknown at this time.

This is the aspect of the case that I find the most disturbing. LE, and a LE psychologist need to spend some serious time talking with these two family members to help jog their memories of information that may prove vital for the murder case, *advertiser censored* case, and the Bruck disappearance. I think perhaps they are overwhelmed and have aligned psychologically in some deep denial and preservation pact. All speculation, of course.

 

[Spellbound]

And this is *exactly* what I was just sitting in my armchair pondering. *Why* are these people so vigorously backing this man up? A man who has been named a POI in a MURDER?! A man who has been charged with possession of child *advertiser censored*?! Why....why....
The only logical answer I can come up with is:

a)they themselves are somehow involved and have something to hide as well
b)they have some beneficial financial tie to him

What else? Their behavior defies common logic, given the circumstances. (Murder and child *advertiser censored*)

What else? I honestly don't know. Perhaps he has really brainwashed them or is a very good liar, and they want to keep the rest of the family together? Does Jennifer still live in the family home? Were they in denial over Julia's alleged accusation? Did he use that to put a wedge between Julia and the family? From all outward appearances we have seen, Julia's social media seems to indicate a good relationship with both parents. Was she also covering up or trying to hide that? Is it really true? Were any other family or friends aware of the sexual abuse possibility? It is truly mind boggling

I sense a lot of pain in you tonight, rosesfromangels. Bless you for sharing your thoughts.

 

[rosesfromangels]

What else? I honestly don't know. Perhaps he has really brainwashed them or is a very good liar, and they want to keep the rest of the family together? Does Jennifer still live in the family home? Were they in denial over Julia's alleged accusation? Did he use that to put a wedge between Julia and the family? From all outward appearances we have seen, Julia's social media seems to indicate a good relationship with both parents. Was she also covering up or trying to hide that? Is it really true? Were any other family or friends aware of the sexual abuse possibility? It is truly mind boggling

I sense a lot of pain in you tonight, rosesfromangels. Bless you for sharing your thoughts.

Thank you Spellbound. I am truly livid that the focus appears to be to support an alleged child pornographer, vs. the victim, Julia. That is what is deeply disturbing me. If the man is innocent, that will be revealed. However, between LE's allegations and suspicions...and Grandma's statements....why on earth are this guys supporters portraying him as hanging next to Barabbas?