MI MI - Julia Niswender, 23, EMU student, Ypsilanti, 10 Dec 2012 - #2

[MIMOMMY]

Good morning everyone. It's a beautiful California morning here in the San Francisco Bay area. I am sitting here sipping my coffee and thinking about Julia's case before I start my work day.

I just looked through this media thread again, and thought that the Perp is counting on the fact that with each passing day, this crime fades further and further away, replaced by fresh new concerns to focus on. And, we must not let that happen. We need to open this media link and see "suspect arrested".

Most grieving parents would do anything to see a suspect arrested and brought to justice. Whatever personal issues the POI and his wife in this case have, need to be set aside to insure justice is served. For those of us trying to help with data analysis, research, etc. on this thread, all roads *appear* to lead back to Mr. Turnquist, until he proves otherwise with a formal statement to LE, and a polygraph administered by LE.

Julia was a communications major, and communications is our friend in this case.
Again, I think the Perp is counting on this case fading further away each day, but I think with one Monroe girl recently found deceased, the time is perfect to showcase another Monroe related murder. (With two of the sisters of the deceased girls, best friends no less!!!!) Nancy Grace would be prime for a followup, and I think this case is perfect for Dr. Phil. He has an excellent polygrapher who could help JT eliminate himself as a POI, so LE can focus elsewhere.

MiMOMMY - would JT and his wife be willing to submit to a polygraph on the Dr. Phil show? If yes, then the producers can be contacted to consider Julia's case. Thanks in advance for your help in securing their interest and agreement to pursue this. I'm sure they would be eager to get this type of national exposure for Julia, and do anything to help get "Justice for Julia!"

My understanding is that they have already submitted DNA and Statements. Not sure on Polygraphs - I will speak with one of them this afternoon in regards to something else and can ask and report back.

 

[Deleted member 132804]

JT has not fully satisfied Ypsilanti PD's request for detailed information regarding his locations up to 48 hours prior to Julia's death. I wonder if Ypsilanti PD is asking for the cleaning business records to show if he may have been in the area around that time? Since, I believe, it's a business to business cleaning service, even if Y.P.D. had a customer list they could investigate that way. JT lawyer-ed up early on. Does anyone know what Y.P.D. is asking for that JT isn't providing? Also, I want to verify if Julia's grandmother who she stays with when not in school lives in Monroe. It seems from many news reports that Julia let someone into the apartment. She must have known her killer in some way. The apartment was described as in disarray. Was someone looking for something? Was there a struggle? The rooms of the apartment seem small by the pictures and come fully furnished. This crime seems personal in nature to me.

 

[rosesfromangels]

My understanding is that they have already submitted DNA and Statements. Not sure on Polygraphs - I will speak with one of them this afternoon in regards to something else and can ask and report back.

Thanks MiMommy! This could be fantastic exposure for Julia's case.
Please confirm that these are formal statements to LE, and that the poly was given by LE. Otherwise, we are just playing cat and mouse.

 

[Spellbound]

I know we all want clearer answers, but my personal opinion on these shows (Dr. Phil, Nancy Grace, etc) is not very high. They are a lot of hype and are out for ratings. I probably would watch, but would still take it all in with a huge grain of salt. If I was in the position of the Niswender/Turnquist family, I would absolutely refuse to take part.


JMO

My only problem is that so far all their interviews have not been considered "OFFICIALLY ON-THE-RECORD" with LE. yes, they have spoken with them .... just not in the forum LE is asking to be completed. A stTement to LE is different than an official interview with recording (audio and/or visual).

Julia's apartment was described in "some disarray" (normal messy upkeep for college kids?), no sign of a struggle.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Dr Phil's polygraph expert is highly regarded, or so I am told.
I still think it would help elevate Julia's case, but that's JMO.

 

[black_squirrel]

I know we all want clearer answers, but my personal opinion on these shows (Dr. Phil, Nancy Grace, etc) is not very high. They are a lot of hype and are out for ratings. I probably would watch, but would still take it all in with a huge grain of salt. If I was in the position of the Niswender/Turnquist family, I would absolutely refuse to take part.


JMO

My only problem is that so far all their interviews have not been considered "OFFICIALLY ON-THE-RECORD" with LE. yes, they have spoken with them .... just not in the forum LE is asking to be completed. A stTement to LE is different than an official interview with recording (audio and/or visual).

Julia's apartment was described in "some disarray" (normal messy upkeep for college kids?), no sign of a struggle.

I think that Jt probably has given an on the record interview. LE as far as I know never stated that he has not given ANY formal statement.

IfI remember correctly, there was no sign of a struggle on the body. The disarray could be a sign of a struggle I think.



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[Trojan1966]

JT has not fully satisfied Ypsilanti PD's request for detailed information regarding his locations up to 48 hours prior to Julia's death. I wonder if Ypsilanti PD is asking for the cleaning business records to show if he may have been in the area around that time? Since, I believe, it's a business to business cleaning service, even if Y.P.D. had a customer list they could investigate that way. JT lawyer-ed up early on. Does anyone know what Y.P.D. is asking for that JT isn't providing? Also, I want to verify if Julia's grandmother who she stays with when not in school lives in Monroe. It seems from many news reports that Julia let someone into the apartment. She must have known her killer in some way. The apartment was described as in disarray. Was someone looking for something? Was there a struggle? The rooms of the apartment seem small by the pictures and come fully furnished. This crime seems personal in nature to me.

Julia's grandmother lived and still does live in Monroe. She has recently moved to a different address but is still in Monroe. My understanding is that the YPD wants to question JT and have him provide a formal statement concerning his whereabouts around the time of Julia's murder. If he is innocent, why not fully cooperate? The YPD does know about the cleaning business and as far as I know, they have looked in to his clients in the Ypsilanti area. Again, as far as I know there was not a "struggle" from what I have been told.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I'm particularly interested in knowing if JT was in serious money troubles. Bad things are more likely to happen when that element is present, IMO.
I'm not clear on how much he was really contributing to the household. Bit sounds like the Mrs. Was the major breadwinner and his side businesses were secondary contributors. I could have that wrong, but if he were in money troubles it's another factor to consider.

 

[Trojan1966]

I think that Jt probably has given an on the record interview. LE as far as I know never stated that he has not given ANY formal statement.

IfI remember correctly, there was no sign of a struggle on the body. The disarray could be a sign of a struggle I think.



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From what LE has told me, JT has not given an official on the record interview as requested in the last few months. Initially, he did give an interview concerning some background information of Julia. They have been using this early interview to tell the media that he has cooperated with LE.Now that he is a POI, he has refused to sit down with LE to answer any questions or provide an on the record account of his whereabouts around the time of the murder. This does not make sense to me if he and his wife are only wanting Justice for Julia! LE really wants to "clear" family members before they can really proceed with the investigation. Why not answer their questions and give a formal statement to allow them to do this?

 

[Trojan1966]

I'm particularly interested in knowing if JT was in serious money troubles. Bad things are more likely to happen when that element is present, IMO.
I'm not clear on how much he was really contributing to the household. Bit sounds like the Mrs. Was the major breadwinner and his side businesses were secondary contributors. I could have that wrong, but if he were in money troubles it's another factor to consider.

I'm not sure of any "money troubles" but you are right with the fact that his wife is the main source of income. His cleaning business was not that big of a financial source for the family. The advantage for JT was if an apartment had been "vacated"; anything left in it was items he could dispose of as part of the cleanup. I do know he did sell items on Craig's list or ebay to get funds to buy his 4 wheelers, duck hunting boat, etc.

 

[mikaylasmom]

I'm not sure of any "money troubles" but you are right with the fact that his wife is the main source of income. His cleaning business was not that big of a financial source for the family. The advantage for JT was if an apartment had been "vacated"; anything left in it was items he could dispose of as part of the cleanup. I do know he did sell items on Craig's list or ebay to get funds to buy his 4 wheelers, duck hunting boat, etc.

Okay, this could be completely off base so I apologize...Were the items that were vacated ever sold for enough of a profit on craigslist or ebay to make enough to buy four wheelers and boats and such? My husband does a lot of online selling and there is no way that he could afford such extravagant purchases.

Another thought for why he isn't giving an account of his whereabouts the days before the murder, was he having an affair of some kind and he doesn't want to disclose that to police?

 

[Trojan1966]

My understanding is that they have already submitted DNA and Statements. Not sure on Polygraphs - I will speak with one of them this afternoon in regards to something else and can ask and report back.

My understanding is that yes, JT provided fingerprints, DNA sample and a polygraph test early in the investigation. Yes he did talk to LE early in the investigation but primarily as background information about Julia. Since then, he has refused to provide any additional information or on the record statements to YPD. My big question is why??? I believe he even sat down to talk with some other investigators (State Police and maybe FBI) but has not actually given a signed, formal statement to LE.

 

[1&2&3]

Trojan1966, you are such a blessing to us as we try to decipher the pieces.

For me and I am sure many other people, the fact that JT won't cooperate with police to clear himself, says loud and clear that he knows something about Julia's case. What parent would not want to clear themself of any suspicion pointed in their direction?!

My opinions only.

 

[black_squirrel]

Whether JT should answer more questions on-the-record with LE depends on what those questions are, and whether they are reasonable. JT's lawyer
thinks that LE may be trying to "trip him up" and if that is the case it would be wise not to do it. If JT will be wrongfully conviced (assuming his innocence)
then the case most likely will never be solved. If you are completely trustful of LE, then perhaps it makes sense to do whatever LE asks of you. But lawyers generally distrust everybody including LE. If the *advertiser censored* charges turn out to be baseless, then it would be quite understandable that JT would not trust LE.
The bottom line is I think that we cannot judge whether the refusal to make additional on-the-record statements is reasonable or not, because we do not know exactly about the interactions between LE and JT/his lawyer.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

^ I agree, black_squirrel. Most attorneys would not want their clients to appear on a "tabloid" talk show unless the line of questioning is pre-determined and very specific. Attorney would also want to be immediately available (seated with or in studio) to the client to determine the wisdom in responding to posed questions. Same for continued interviews with LE. JT and Kim's attorneys have likely advised them to not speak publicly unless the respective attorney is present. :moo:

 

[Spellbound]

If it was my daughter murdered, you better believe I would be giving LE everything they asked for, and probably even more. I would confess to being a closet cross-dresser, hunting with my Dad when I was 10, or bleaching my hair, or having stolen bubble gum at the age of 3 if it was true. Polly Klauss's father was under suspicion for kidnapping his own daughter, yet he kept giving and giving and his daughter's murderer was caught. Elizabeth Smart's father was under suspicion, yet he kept cooperating, and she eventually came home. These and others set an example for me of how to cooperate with an investigation that involves a family member/loss. Any less makes me suspicious of their (in general terms) motive for not giving ALL that is asked of them. I would be on the doorstep or speed-dial of any LE department involved in solving my beloved's case.

We can only surmise why/what LE wants an official, on-the-record, in-depth sit down interview with JT. It would be rare that we cannot trust LE to be doing all they can to bring closure to a case in legal fashion. Yes, it happens, but public eyes watch too closely these days for them to do anything illegal or cause harm to the investigation. Surely they want cases solved as much as we do.

JMO

 

[Deleted member 132804]

Julia's grandmother lived and still does live in Monroe. She has recently moved to a different address but is still in Monroe. My understanding is that the YPD wants to question JT and have him provide a formal statement concerning his whereabouts around the time of Julia's murder. If he is innocent, why not fully cooperate? The YPD does know about the cleaning business and as far as I know, they have looked in to his clients in the Ypsilanti area. Again, as far as I know there was not a "struggle" from what I have been told.

Many thanks Trojan. It's odd JT will not provide a formal statement. This is usually collected from all persons close to the victim early on. I find it interesting that there wasn't a struggle. So maybe the POI was frantically looking for something in the apartment or just trying to make it look like theft.

 

[rosesfromangels]

MiMommy,

What will it take for JT to make a formal statement to LE, and take a LE administered poly? Surely we can come up with conditions that would relieve his anxiety? Since his goal is Justice for Julia, we need to find a way to make this happen ASAP.

Additionally, this article states the wife called 911 because JT was suicidal and homicidal. He frightened/concerned the workers at the mental health facility where he was taken. Why did Kim think he was suicidal/homicidal, and has he repeated any of this behavior?

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...higan-students-murder-remains-jailed/31762164

 

[Trojan1966]

Hi Everyone,
As Julia's grand father, I can tell everyone that I am sick and tired of family members "lawyering up" and not cooperating with LE. They get on TV and preach "Justice for Julia" and yet they are acting in a manner that seems to oppose that. Give the formal statements, cooperate with all the authorities and be as helpful as you can. If there is nothing to hide, then cooperate. I have not been able to sleep a solid night for over two years now. My heart aches constantly and my mind will not rest until this is resolved. I don't care who is responsible for her death but I want them brought to justice. I have done all I can do to cooperate with LE and will continue in the future until this case is solved. Maybe then I may finally get a full nights rest and feel some relief in my heart - which will probably never happen until I die. I'd like to thank everyone for their involvement and your ideas as to what may have happened and how this should be solved. Let's all hope and pray for "Justice for Julia". I guess that's enough of my stating my opinions but it feels good at times to do such a thing. Thanks all for listening .

 

[rosesfromangels]

Hi Everyone,
As Julia's grand father, I can tell everyone that I am sick and tired of family members "lawyering up" and not cooperating with LE. They get on TV and preach "Justice for Julia" and yet they are acting in a manner that seems to oppose that. Give the formal statements, cooperate with all the authorities and be as helpful as you can. If there is nothing to hide, then cooperate. I have not been able to sleep a solid night for over two years now. My heart aches constantly and my mind will not rest until this is resolved. I don't care who is responsible for her death but I want them brought to justice. I have done all I can do to cooperate with LE and will continue in the future until this case is solved. Maybe then I may finally get a full nights rest and feel some relief in my heart - which will probably never happen until I die. I'd like to thank everyone for their involvement and your ideas as to what may have happened and how this should be solved. Let's all hope and pray for "Justice for Julia". I guess that's enough of my stating my opinions but it feels good at times to do such a thing. Thanks all for listening .

You have lots of people on this thread surrounding you with prayers and love Trojan. We are intent on seeing this case resolved. More so than ever.
I am eagerly waiting to see MiMommy's response to my questions. I'm sure we can figure out a way to assuage Mr. Turnquist's anxiety over formal statements and polygraphs. It is essential to move things forward. To do anything less than cooperate casts an even brighter light of suspicion.
I'm sure we can help him move forward, if he is truly seeking justice for Julia.

MIMOMMY - what will it take for Mr. Turnquist to *further* cooperate with LE and provide a *formal* statement and LE administered polygraph? Thank you so much for helping move this forward! Your efforts are very, very much appreciated!