Apples2Apples
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I have a feeling that KCPD know a lot that they aren't letting on to. A whole lot!
MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #5
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nursebeeme
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okay.....
They must be reading here!! moo
norest4thewicked
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per Fox news: Family is saying JI is talking to police, LE says he is not.
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What has bothered me is when she said "They took the phones probably so that we couldnt make any calls out.".......my first thought was...HOW? How would a kidnapper know that their only means to call out of the house would have been cell phones? We have a land line phone in our bedroom...so why bother taking cell phones?
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Interesting because as a mom. Letting a stray sleep with my son and I in my bed wouldnt be an option. I would have to know what flea, germs and kinda care the kitten had before I could sleep with it. Much less lets my kid snuggle it to his cute little kitten lovin face.
A gift cat who I know where it came from and all that .. no issues. I know they have the same germs. But I already know if it has signs of illness or not.
That kitten in the bed ? With one (or both) boys = no sleep MOO.
Many posters have felt that mom seemed genuinely distraught on video. And I agree. And,no, I do not believe she gave Lisa an overdose of cough syrup. She is an exprienced mom. And Lisa did look cherished MOO If there had been an accident she would have called 911.MOO.
I think this is a tragic situation. MOO What if one or both of the boys accidently ( or otherwise ) harmed Lisa in the night ? And caused Lisa's death MOO At that point, nothing would bring Lisa back. But, the whole family will be torn apart. In effect, the parents would have lost all of their kids in the space of one night... Could it be that they made a horrible decision, to salvage what was left of their family somehow ? MOO
I apologize if I have offended anyone with this post...I'm heartsick.
Many posters have felt that mom seemed genuinely distraught on video. And I agree. And,no, I do not believe she gave Lisa an overdose of cough syrup. She is an exprienced mom. And Lisa did look cherished MOO If there had been an accident she would have called 911.MOO.
I think this is a tragic situation. MOO What if one or both of the boys accidently ( or otherwise ) harmed Lisa in the night ? And caused Lisa's death MOO At that point, nothing would bring Lisa back. But, the whole family will be torn apart. In effect, the parents would have lost all of their kids in the space of one night... Could it be that they made a horrible decision, to salvage what was left of their family somehow ? MOO
I apologize if I have offended anyone with this post...I'm heartsick.
Family says this- LE just denied it
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On the Today show interview, didn't mom said she had taken a poly because she had volunteered to do it?? Now LE is saying that's not true? They requested it of her? Am I understanding this correctly?
norest4thewicked
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I'm pretty sure that local boards are going crazy just like this one is.
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FOX news just reported again that the Detectives say they are NOT talking to Jeramy. So we have some saying Jeramy is talking to the police and the police saying Jeramy is not talking to the police.
norest4thewicked
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Yes...she DID say she volunteered.
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I was just thinking to myself that if they don't show up purdy soon at the police station to "cooperate" that in the next few days we will most likely see the release of 911 tapes, perhaps the police report filed, and some leaks..
didn't expect a leak today... but I totally agree with you JB!
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Lisa Irwin Timeline
Monday October 3, 2011
Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house.
UPDATEaccording to police spokesman window may not be correct.
3620 block of North Lister 64117
CORRECTION TO ABOVE GIVEN BY JEREMY IN PHONE INTERVIEW 10-6-2011
Lisa in bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie in bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room. Point of entry by abductor was unlocked front door, window mentioned earlier was NOT tampered with.
UPDATE 10-6-11 3 cell phones also taken. One does not even work. Also, dad came home to find front door unlocked, most of the lights on and front window open.
Jeremy Irwin, Lisas father, told local media that whoever took his daughter also took all three of their cell phones so they couldnt call anybody, including 911.
Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/06/3190568/cell-phones-taken-along-with-missing.html#ixzz1a1QJj8XG
~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them
~phones were gone
~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.
~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard
~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know
(thank you NBM)
_____________________________________________________________________
Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the 6 year old is Debbies and the 8 year old is Jeremys from previous relationships.)Correction. One sonthe 6 year old was asleep with the mom and a stray kitten he had found earlier in the day.
Father is electrician that works nights. This night was the first night he EVER worked at night.Jeremy http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/miss...olice-14688735
Mother is a SAHM--Debbie
Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.
**Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence, Parscale said, but then my husband drove off so were thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.
**Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.
Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib.
UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speakingParents story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.
Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served its purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.
*** Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-aut...rch-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,6273053.story
Tuesday 9:25 p.m.
Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
by cliffjudy via twitter 9:25 P
**family stayed with relatives after being questioned until 10:30 p.m.
Wednesday October 5, 2011
9:00 a.m. press conference Capt. Steve Young speakingbasically no new information. Still searching with dogs, however there have been no hits. Parents not ruled out, but also not suspects. Very cooperative.
** KMBC's Jana Corrie: Children who were also inside the home at the time of the disappearance staying with neighbors
Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv
**conflicting reports unless the Grandparents are being referred to as neighbors
NBC Action News reporter Sloane Heller reports Lisas grandparents are watching the couples other children and have not been able to reach them since earlier Tuesday.
Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz
Next news conference sometime this afternoon.
2:00 news conferenceJeremy spoke with Deborah (Bradley?) by his side. Begged for baby to be dropped off somewhere safe. The brothers are waiting to see their sister. Declined to take questions.
Again, Capt. Has no leads, not ruling out anything. 300 knocks and searches. 46 tips. No ransom note. Family is free to go where they would like. Family does not want to be at house.
**Alleged sighting of Lisa with a middle aged white male and female at a Loves gas station in St. Joseph, MO I-29 and US HWY 169. Driving older model SUV. Article came out around 5:15 p.m. Surveillance video has been turned over to LE. Police say it doesnt seem to be a major lead.
Thursday October 6, 2011
**Jeremy and Debbie provided LE with a list of 9 names of people that could be possible suspects.
**Per Debbie regarding cell phones and possible other missing items:
~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them
~phones were gone
~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.
~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard
~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know
(thank you NBM)
http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old
** police detectives are meeting early this morning to talk about where to search next.
**per Debbie, Lisa is very sweet and will go to almost anybody.
**per Jeremy, window was not tampered with, so perp (s) must have come in through unlocked front door.
**Lisa went to bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie went to bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room.
***Debbie and Jeremy have a heated discussion with LE before speeding off in police car to command center to find out about possible new lead. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lis...scussion-with-police-20111006,0,5671503.story
**the list of suspects provided by the parents is now up to 12.
Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."
Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a391r9l4
Originally Posted by BeanE [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7196439#post7196439"]
[/ame]--thank you BeanE
Capt. Young: "There is no doubt they informed us that they no longer wish to cooperate with the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:05 PM
Capt. Young: "We have no plans to close the command center yet, but it will close at some point."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:04 PM
Capt. Young: "I don't have to illustrate how their lack of cooperation hurts the investigation."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM
Capt. Young: "I cannot get into the details of the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM
Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM
Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspect. If we had enough to charge anyone with, we'd probably be pursuing charges."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM
Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspects. From an investigative standpoint we've enjoyed their cooperation"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM
Capt. Young": The parents have intimate information as to what's been going on...our door is open and it doesn't help that they are no longer cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM
Capt. Young: "They've always been free and cooperative up until this point, but they've decided to stop cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM
Capt. Steve Young: Mother and father of baby Lisa Irwin have stopped cooperating with police
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM
http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1a39rwETg
"This evening we will be shutting down the command post. We believe we have done all we can regarding geographic searches and will continue tracking leads as we get them or develop additional information," police Officer Darin Snapp said in a news release.
Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3JybPqG
Family statement: We saw the press conference at 7 PM, and we want you to know we have never stopped cooperating with police.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 9:11 PM
Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3m5ocP3
Friday October 7, 2011
(thank you BeanE for gathering these)
#LisaIrwin's mom:We want to thank everybody who has helped us so far.
1 minute ago
#LisaIrwin's mom: we are not angry, we just want our daughter home, that's all we care about.
2 minutes ago
#LisaIrwin's mom: we appreciate everything the police dept. has done, we appreciate everything everybody has done.
2 minutes ago
#LisaIrwin mom: we don't know, which is why we need everybody to continue to look for her...because we want her home, we can't do this alone
21 seconds ago
#LisaIrwin's mom: "he's a good father and he's good to me and he loves her and everybody loves her, but no, there's no way." (about father)
38 seconds ago
#LisaIrwin's dad: hasn't taken polygraph but "if that's what it takes..."
3 minutes ago
#LisaIrwin's mom: "what do you say when someone tells you that and you know you didn't do anything."
4 minutes ago
#LisaIrwin's mom: volunteered to take polygraph, told failed. Says that's not possible.
4 minutes ago
#LisaIrwin's mom: We don't care what anybody thinks, we don't care what they think, our concern is to find Lisa, our Lisa.
5 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
#LisaIrwin's Mom: don't have hard feelings, not mad, this is what they (police) have to do.
5 minutes ago
#LisaIrwin's Mom: police really nice yesterday, not like that the first time.
6 minutes ago
**Debbie failed LDT. Jeremy has offered, but LE said its not necessary.
Floor plan of Debbie and Jeremys home (thank you Carriebean)
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19070&d=1317999122
**a neighbor in the area also had her dog come up missing the same night. (maybe related, maybe not)
http://ap.onlineathens.com/pstories/20111007/896530303.shtml
**FBI cleared all the people that Jeremy and Debbie mentioned as possible suspects.
PER FOX NEWS REPORT AT 12:00 P.M.
***Call made from Irwin home at 2:30 a.m.
**Debbie failed the LDT MISERABLY
** Jeremy at work constructing a new Starbucks
Monday October 3, 2011
Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house.
UPDATEaccording to police spokesman window may not be correct.
3620 block of North Lister 64117
CORRECTION TO ABOVE GIVEN BY JEREMY IN PHONE INTERVIEW 10-6-2011
Lisa in bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie in bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room. Point of entry by abductor was unlocked front door, window mentioned earlier was NOT tampered with.
UPDATE 10-6-11 3 cell phones also taken. One does not even work. Also, dad came home to find front door unlocked, most of the lights on and front window open.
Jeremy Irwin, Lisas father, told local media that whoever took his daughter also took all three of their cell phones so they couldnt call anybody, including 911.
Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/06/3190568/cell-phones-taken-along-with-missing.html#ixzz1a1QJj8XG
~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them
~phones were gone
~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.
~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard
~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know
(thank you NBM)
_____________________________________________________________________
Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the 6 year old is Debbies and the 8 year old is Jeremys from previous relationships.)Correction. One sonthe 6 year old was asleep with the mom and a stray kitten he had found earlier in the day.
Father is electrician that works nights. This night was the first night he EVER worked at night.Jeremy http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/miss...olice-14688735
Mother is a SAHM--Debbie
Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.
**Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence, Parscale said, but then my husband drove off so were thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.
**Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.
Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib.
UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speakingParents story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.
Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served its purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.
*** Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-aut...rch-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,6273053.story
Tuesday 9:25 p.m.
Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
by cliffjudy via twitter 9:25 P
**family stayed with relatives after being questioned until 10:30 p.m.
Wednesday October 5, 2011
9:00 a.m. press conference Capt. Steve Young speakingbasically no new information. Still searching with dogs, however there have been no hits. Parents not ruled out, but also not suspects. Very cooperative.
** KMBC's Jana Corrie: Children who were also inside the home at the time of the disappearance staying with neighbors
Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv
**conflicting reports unless the Grandparents are being referred to as neighbors
NBC Action News reporter Sloane Heller reports Lisas grandparents are watching the couples other children and have not been able to reach them since earlier Tuesday.
Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz
Next news conference sometime this afternoon.
2:00 news conferenceJeremy spoke with Deborah (Bradley?) by his side. Begged for baby to be dropped off somewhere safe. The brothers are waiting to see their sister. Declined to take questions.
Again, Capt. Has no leads, not ruling out anything. 300 knocks and searches. 46 tips. No ransom note. Family is free to go where they would like. Family does not want to be at house.
**Alleged sighting of Lisa with a middle aged white male and female at a Loves gas station in St. Joseph, MO I-29 and US HWY 169. Driving older model SUV. Article came out around 5:15 p.m. Surveillance video has been turned over to LE. Police say it doesnt seem to be a major lead.
Thursday October 6, 2011
**Jeremy and Debbie provided LE with a list of 9 names of people that could be possible suspects.
**Per Debbie regarding cell phones and possible other missing items:
~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them
~phones were gone
~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.
~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard
~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know
(thank you NBM)
http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old
** police detectives are meeting early this morning to talk about where to search next.
**per Debbie, Lisa is very sweet and will go to almost anybody.
**per Jeremy, window was not tampered with, so perp (s) must have come in through unlocked front door.
**Lisa went to bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie went to bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room.
***Debbie and Jeremy have a heated discussion with LE before speeding off in police car to command center to find out about possible new lead. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lis...scussion-with-police-20111006,0,5671503.story
**the list of suspects provided by the parents is now up to 12.
Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."
Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a391r9l4
Originally Posted by BeanE [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7196439#post7196439"]
Capt. Young: "There is no doubt they informed us that they no longer wish to cooperate with the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:05 PM
Capt. Young: "We have no plans to close the command center yet, but it will close at some point."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:04 PM
Capt. Young: "I don't have to illustrate how their lack of cooperation hurts the investigation."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM
Capt. Young: "I cannot get into the details of the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM
Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM
Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspect. If we had enough to charge anyone with, we'd probably be pursuing charges."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM
Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspects. From an investigative standpoint we've enjoyed their cooperation"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM
Capt. Young": The parents have intimate information as to what's been going on...our door is open and it doesn't help that they are no longer cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM
Capt. Young: "They've always been free and cooperative up until this point, but they've decided to stop cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM
Capt. Steve Young: Mother and father of baby Lisa Irwin have stopped cooperating with police
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM
http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1a39rwETg
"This evening we will be shutting down the command post. We believe we have done all we can regarding geographic searches and will continue tracking leads as we get them or develop additional information," police Officer Darin Snapp said in a news release.
Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3JybPqG
Family statement: We saw the press conference at 7 PM, and we want you to know we have never stopped cooperating with police.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 9:11 PM
Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3m5ocP3
Friday October 7, 2011
(thank you BeanE for gathering these)
#LisaIrwin's mom:We want to thank everybody who has helped us so far.
1 minute ago
#LisaIrwin's mom: we are not angry, we just want our daughter home, that's all we care about.
2 minutes ago
#LisaIrwin's mom: we appreciate everything the police dept. has done, we appreciate everything everybody has done.
2 minutes ago
#LisaIrwin mom: we don't know, which is why we need everybody to continue to look for her...because we want her home, we can't do this alone
21 seconds ago
#LisaIrwin's mom: "he's a good father and he's good to me and he loves her and everybody loves her, but no, there's no way." (about father)
38 seconds ago
#LisaIrwin's dad: hasn't taken polygraph but "if that's what it takes..."
3 minutes ago
#LisaIrwin's mom: "what do you say when someone tells you that and you know you didn't do anything."
4 minutes ago
#LisaIrwin's mom: volunteered to take polygraph, told failed. Says that's not possible.
4 minutes ago
#LisaIrwin's mom: We don't care what anybody thinks, we don't care what they think, our concern is to find Lisa, our Lisa.
5 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
#LisaIrwin's Mom: don't have hard feelings, not mad, this is what they (police) have to do.
5 minutes ago
#LisaIrwin's Mom: police really nice yesterday, not like that the first time.
6 minutes ago
**Debbie failed LDT. Jeremy has offered, but LE said its not necessary.
Floor plan of Debbie and Jeremys home (thank you Carriebean)
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19070&d=1317999122
**a neighbor in the area also had her dog come up missing the same night. (maybe related, maybe not)
http://ap.onlineathens.com/pstories/20111007/896530303.shtml
**FBI cleared all the people that Jeremy and Debbie mentioned as possible suspects.
PER FOX NEWS REPORT AT 12:00 P.M.
***Call made from Irwin home at 2:30 a.m.
**Debbie failed the LDT MISERABLY
** Jeremy at work constructing a new Starbucks
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