Found Deceased MO - Toni Anderson, 20, North Kansas City, 15 Jan 2017 #3

[AceDetective]

They could have also used an app like Find my Friends or something similar. Maybe the BF and Toni had it together, and her last known "ping" was that location on the app.

But then why frame it in terms of pinging a tower?

I highly doubt the veracity of this info. It seems to be something somebody made up on a facebook group.

 

[thekarmabus]

Could a PI tell someone like the BF how to get those records?

For example, do we even know if they shared a cell phone plan? If that's the case, BF might have legal ability to go ahead an request whatever information he wants?

Just theorizing how he might get that kind of data. If it can only ever come from LE request, then sure... we should be very skeptical about him having ping information.

However, I think it's plausible that people living together to share a cell phone plan. Why? It can be cheaper. I have several family members that share cell phone plan, but I admit, I don't now how common that is.

Information given would only be given to the name on the plan. If he was the named person he could retain certain info from her phone. Texts that came in and number from ( not actual text) and there is a way that one can get ping information from a phone . My friends husband did this through a PI and tracked her pings... divorce case.


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[n_6CC]

BF had access to her twitter and other social media, and they likely even shared a laptop. So not hard to believe he'd have access to her phone records.

However, ping is a different thing, it's not something you'd be able to see from phone records online. (I could be wrong, but I've never seen that)

However if he did have access to her account online, could he request that information. Would a PI be able to obtain that information?

All just questions, I am now quite skeptical of the proposed 6am ping and question the motive if it's a lie.

My husband works cases involving cell phone data and pings from a cell phone are triangulated and are Usually needed to be determined by (in his case) FBI or specialists in that type of data. He himself has never been able to determine where a ping came from or exact location. He said there is usually an area that is determined. He said it would be interesting that the BF would be able to determine a ping himself. If LE determined where the ping came from, I am curious why they would privy him to that information and not other information. Not credible as far as I am concerned. Of course I think that area should be looked at but not ONLY that area. The parents indicated that LE is searching neighboring states. The whole thing is disconnected. However, everything should be taken into consideration. Thanks.


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[n_6CC]

Or maybe police have shared info with them that they cannot share with anyone else? Not that I believe that but a possibility?

Very likely


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[MrX]

Thoughts for today, after a night of contemplation and catching up on today's posts:


Something I forgot to mention yesterday involves the traffic stop / QT timeline. Recall the Ross Harris case, where the chick-fill-a security cams and, if I recall, the cash register, were set to an incorrect time. Unless the ATM, gas pump, security video, cell phone and police dash cam are all perfectly synchronized, there can be discrepancies in times.


It's interesting that she told her friends she was going to a QT and ended up vanishing from a QT.


I assume GPS would shut down when the car was turned off - assuming it wasn't tampered with, then car must be in a garage near QT. If GPS was diabled as part of an "escape," then why not do it before leaving Chrome?


I am starting to get the feeling that Toni is running from her "boy friend," not her parents. It seems like BF and a certain group of "friends" are the ones searching and pining for dash cam video, while Toni's parents are putting their faith in LE. Could it be as simple as Toni getting involved with a gang that does not take kindly to resignations? Something about the obsession with the dash cam footage has always made me feel like BF is expecting to see a clue that will tell him who helped Toni escape.


Mr Sanchez' FB post is very disturbing - it stinks of self-serving anger and frustration. It really feels like Sanchez and Son are "hunting" her.

 

[Gray]

From what I understand a ping is from a tower, and someone can ping from a tower as far as 20 miles away.


I'm not familiar with Find My Friends, but I'd think that's be a more precise thing that is based on a GPS location.

It's all speculation and quite frustrating since so much could easily be clarified, but I get the feeling it'll continue to be as sketchy as day one in regards to information.

Find My Friends is very precise. You can even tell where in a building someone is sitting.

However, once the person goes off of GPS, Find My Friends doesn't tell you where they HAVE been. It just says location unavailable.

 

[drjones]

Find My Friends is very precise. You can even tell where in a building someone is sitting.

However, once the person goes off of GPS, Find My Friends doesn't tell you where they HAVE been. It just says location unavailable.

i believe it depends on the phone it is being used on and can still be affected by the environment, so i would say it has the possibility of being very precise depending on several factors.

 

[MrX]

What is BF's name? I see it listed as "Pete Sanchez," but Pete appears to be the father and has no children named Pete...

EDIT: Never mind - Pete Jr is also Jordin.

 

[tinytena]

i really am starting to question whether he is truly her BF, or just someone trying to make everyone believe he is. she never states he is, in any tweets, any tweets she had with him are now gone, and if he was really living there with her, where was he sleeping when people who recently airbnb'ed her bedroom, were commenting about it being really weird to stay there with (her) sleeping on the couch. does anybody close to toni know he is truly her BF. everywhere i've looked so far, i am just not finding any footprints to connect him to actually living with her or being her BF. i have seen one mention by her on twitter, of him being a travel companion to some music festivals (chicago). but she never refers to him in any romantic way.

 

[thekarmabus]

We are being told GPS was disconnected. That does not mean it actually was. It might be on the best interest of case to state it was.


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[AceDetective]

Toni's story was just on KWCH and their reporters did an interview of Toni's dad, Brian Anderson. Brian said he is aware of rumors of Toni's phone pinging in a certain area, but LE has not told them this has happened. He also said he has nothing to do with the petition to see the videos and trusts LE know what they are doing. Lastly, the parents are supposed to have a phone conference with LE tomorrow.

Here is KWCH's link and I will post the story once it is available.

http://www.kwch.com/

Thanks for that. I was able to find an article. Not only did he say LE has not told him, but he said he thinks if it were true they would have told him. In other words, he doesn't believe it at this point.

I also notice that everyone in that facebook group asking where the last ping information came from has been ignored.

http://www.kwch.com/content/news/Fa...in-Toni-Anderson-disappearance-412494263.html

 

[AceDetective]

i really am starting to question whether he is truly her BF, or just someone trying to make everyone believe he is. she never states he is, in any tweets, any tweets she had with him are now gone, and if he was really living there with her, where was he sleeping when people who recently airbnb'ed her bedroom, were commenting about it being really weird to stay there with (her) sleeping on the couch. does anybody close to toni know he is truly her BF. everywhere i've looked so far, i am just not finding any footprints to connect him to actually living with her or being her BF. i have seen one mention by her on twitter, of him being a travel companion to some music festivals (chicago). but she never refers to him in any romantic way.

The airbnb ad did mention that the b/f would (or may?) be there, I believe. The airbnb was deleted, unfortunately.

There are several tweets where she mentions him. She doesn't mention him a lot though, so it doesn't seem like they were that close. But I am pretty sure he was her boyfriend. Here's a notable tweet where she says she likes him:

[video=twitter;620792622555222018]https://twitter.com/Tonianderson2/status/620792622555222018[/video]

 

[marsyao]

Thanks for that. I was able to find an article. Not only did he say LE has not told him, but he said he thinks if it were true they would have told him. In other words, he doesn't believe it at this point.

I also notice that everyone in that facebook group asking where the last ping information came from has been ignored.

http://www.kwch.com/content/news/Fa...in-Toni-Anderson-disappearance-412494263.html

Police say, at this time, there is no sign of foul play in Anderson's disappearance. Interesting, do LE know something we don't ?

 

[MrX]

Police say, at this time, there is no sign of foul play in Anderson's disappearance. Interesting, do LE know something we don't ?

I would think that is a safe bet. It seems to me they have had a handle on the situation since the beginning. If Toni is running from Pete Jr. (which is my current theory), but no actual crime or documented threat has occurred, then LE has their hands tied.


The more I look at Pete Jr., the more it seems like Toni is running from him. Unless he is using a strange name, I don't see Pete Jr. on his father's "friends" list. As much as one can glean from SM, the Sanchez family looks upstanding, with Pete Jr. being the out-lier.


Pete Jr. appears to be the only one truly desperate to find her. The response of Toni's family and LE reminds me of the Nicole Mittendorf case. I recall the community-at-large clamoring for action, while the family and LE were strangely reticent. As it turned out, they already had her suicide note and didn't want people getting injured in a search.


If Toni got into trouble and is trying to handle it her own way - against the advice of friends and/or family - then it would fit the facts of this case. Toni's family is concerned, LE is concerned, but it seems they know her disappearance was her own doing.

 

[sophie taylor]

re bold - no, no one here made that up - see this video at :18 - :20 - maybe made up by the reporter??
http://www.kwch.com/video/?vid=411263755&vid=411263755

Oh - I just saw perfectingpink's post (#404) - so....



to bold - first a [ b ] (no spaces) and then at the end of what you want to bold put [ / b ] (no spaces)

and :welcome6: to WS! :greetings:



on the link you provided - what is the post # that you are referring to?? TIA!



http://www.kwch.com/content/news/KC-police-search-for-missing-Wichita-woman-411018955.html from link:

A North Kansas City police officer pulled Toni's 2014 Ford Focus over for an illegal lane change in northwest Kansas City. The officer gave Anderson a warning, then escorted her to a QuikTrip to get gas.

#601 THREAD 1. The stop lasted only three minutes. Lots of lies going on here.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...son-20-North-Kansas-City-15-Jan-2017-1/page41

 

[lmadler]

i really am starting to question whether he is truly her BF, or just someone trying to make everyone believe he is. she never states he is, in any tweets, any tweets she had with him are now gone, and if he was really living there with her, where was he sleeping when people who recently airbnb'ed her bedroom, were commenting about it being really weird to stay there with (her) sleeping on the couch. does anybody close to toni know he is truly her BF. everywhere i've looked so far, i am just not finding any footprints to connect him to actually living with her or being her BF. i have seen one mention by her on twitter, of him being a travel companion to some music festivals (chicago). but she never refers to him in any romantic way.

I have a little saying. No sign of a relationship on FB, good sign of a relationship. But actually, just 1 or 2 glimpses is ok. That's that thing I was talking about earlier. There are some aspects of my private life that I leave private. They are sacred to me and I choose not to share it.

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[sophie taylor]

6:00 am


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Very suspicious, if true. Her phone would've died only 78 minutes after her last text. How confident are you on this time?

 

[heartgoesout]

Thoughts for today, after a night of contemplation and catching up on today's posts:


Something I forgot to mention yesterday involves the traffic stop / QT timeline. Recall the Ross Harris case, where the chick-fill-a security cams and, if I recall, the cash register, were set to an incorrect time. Unless the ATM, gas pump, security video, cell phone and police dash cam are all perfectly synchronized, there can be discrepancies in times.


It's interesting that she told her friends she was going to a QT and ended up vanishing from a QT.


I assume GPS would shut down when the car was turned off - assuming it wasn't tampered with, then car must be in a garage near QT. If GPS was diabled as part of an "escape," then why not do it before leaving Chrome?


I am starting to get the feeling that Toni is running from her "boy friend," not her parents. It seems like BF and a certain group of "friends" are the ones searching and pining for dash cam video, while Toni's parents are putting their faith in LE. Could it be as simple as Toni getting involved with a gang that does not take kindly to resignations? Something about the obsession with the dash cam footage has always made me feel like BF is expecting to see a clue that will tell him who helped Toni escape.


Mr Sanchez' FB post is very disturbing - it stinks of self-serving anger and frustration. It really feels like Sanchez and Son are "hunting" her.

I still find it inappropriate for the BF and BF father to go against what appears to be the parents wishes of not discussing the case and trusting investigators. They don't trust the parents and seems he parents don't trust them. What a circle.

 

[tinytena]

I have a little saying. No sign of a relationship on FB, good sign of a relationship. But actually, just 1 or 2 glimpses is ok. That's that thing I was talking about earlier. There are some aspects of my private life that I leave private. They are sacred to me and I choose not to share it.

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i agree with you on that. the red flag to me concerning him, is him accessing her SM and removing posts and/or complete profiles (airbnb). at this point, we have no idea what info he acctually deleted. pretty convenient for him. he wasnt worried about taking down pictures or comments about her being a stripper so the family wouldnt find out.

 

[sophie taylor]

There's no reason to assume the minutes are correct, when the date/hour clearly isn't. The official time given by police for the traffic stop was 4:25. It does, indeed, seem to take 3 minutes, in my book. It supposedly took 7 minutes, but that could include time waiting for the light and watching her go to the QuikTrip.

She used her card at 4:33.

I'm going with officer Snapp and the crazy video. Toni Anderson was pulled over at 4:19-20. There has to be a point where good info can be gleaned after sifting through the muck. It seems she left Chrome about 4:11, giving her about 8 minutes to get to the QT area.

Update timeline of events, according to Snapp:

• Around 4 a.m. Toni left Chrome
• Approximately 4:20 a.m. an officer with the North Kansas City Police Department pulled Toni over
• Approximately 4:33 a.m. family bank records show Toni had a declined transaction at the QuikTrip along 9 Highway
• 4:42 a.m. Toni sent a text to a friend that said, “I just got pulled over again.”

http://fox4kc.com/2017/01/19/kc-police-no-indication-of-foul-play-in-disappearance-of-toni-anderson/