Found Deceased MT - Amy Harding-Permann, 34, Great Falls, 26 Jan 2020

[rkendmar]

And hypothetically speaking, if you had wounds from someone defending themselves you could call them an assault that night, whereas if someone noticed wounds the next day along with your girlfriend being missing that would be harder to explain.

Right now I'll just give him the benefit of doubt.

I hope she stormed off and went somewhere safe

BBM

I hope she stormed off and is hiding out somewhere safe, too.
However, I can't see her putting her two young children through all that stress.

 

[MrsCTeach]

In order to protect the integrity of the investigation, Slaughter said the names of the agencies are not being released at this time, nor are any other details of the investigation.

Sheriff Slaughter said he hopes to release more information sometime next week.
Doesn’t sound like they think she’s alive.
They know something

I think you are right. This is so sad. I hope she is okay.

 

[MinnyPin]

But maybe there is nothing on her phone. If they lived together they would not have been texting or calling each other if they were arguing.

My husband text each other from rooms in the same house if we are arguing We text all day from work...

 

[katydid23]

My husband text each other from rooms in the same house if we are arguing We text all day from work...

lol, I didnt think of that. I call my husband when he is in his office because it is easier than shouting from downstairs.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

My husband text each other from rooms in the same house if we are arguing We text all day from work...

There honestly could be plenty on her phone BESIDES texting that is incriminating to either party. Could be notes, emails, photos, web searches, receipts, literally everything and anything. That was my first thought when he said so much data after the search.


Curiously—- to protect the integrity of the investigation by not naming names can only be because it’s criminal, correct? I mean who do you call in that is clearly only missing persons? And who would reveal criminal?

 

[MinnyPin]

lol, I didnt think of that. I call my husband when he is in his office because it is easier than shouting from downstairs.

I text my kids instead of shouting at them upstairs!

There might be quite a bit on that phone and I bet LE is going through it. Time will tell...

 

[PommyMommy]

There honestly could be plenty on her phone BESIDES texting that is incriminating to either party. Could be notes, emails, photos, web searches, receipts, literally everything and anything. That was my first thought when he said so much data after the search.

Curiously—- to protect the integrity of the investigation by not naming names can only be because it’s criminal, correct? I mean who do you call in that is clearly only missing persons? And who would reveal criminal?

Have you ever heard of a missing person's case in which the investigative agency declined to reveal the names of the agencies they were bringing in to assist in the investigation? If anyone has, please share because that is a new one on me.

The "massive" amount of data comment makes me think FBI but I also wonder about the Montana State Crime Lab. I really hope we don't have to wait until next week to find out. MOO

 

[MinnyPin]

Have you ever heard of a missing person's case in which the investigative agency declined to reveal the names of the agencies they were bringing in to assist in the investigation? If anyone has, please share because that is a new one on me.

The "massive" amount of data comment makes me think FBI but I also wonder about the Montana State Crime Lab. I really hope we don't have to wait until next week to find out. MOO

I haven’t really heard of a case where it wasn’t known which agencies were being brought in. Let me see if I can find one.

 

[iluvmua]

Have you ever heard of a missing person's case in which the investigative agency declined to reveal the names of the agencies they were bringing in to assist in the investigation? If anyone has, please share because that is a new one on me.

The "massive" amount of data comment makes me think FBI but I also wonder about the Montana State Crime Lab. I really hope we don't have to wait until next week to find out. MOO

I was thinking FBI.

Jmo

I am glad they are investigating other POI's.

 

[The Night Watchman]

We know when the call about the assault was made, and we know when LE arrived at the house.

We do not know when Amy "assaulted" Dr. VanGilder.

I suspect LE will be looking at whether the doctor made any calls to his lawyer that afternoon or evening, prior to calling the police.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

I was thinking FBI.

Jmo

I am glad they are investigating other POI's.

I’m not sure they necessarily are... that was a generic type comment they made.

 

[MrsCTeach]

Have you ever heard of a missing person's case in which the investigative agency declined to reveal the names of the agencies they were bringing in to assist in the investigation? If anyone has, please share because that is a new one on me.

The "massive" amount of data comment makes me think FBI but I also wonder about the Montana State Crime Lab. I really hope we don't have to wait until next week to find out. MOO

We are actually pretty limited in our agencies and don't bring a whole lot of external agencies into our investigations, so if even FBI was mentioned, people would automatically say foul play because FBI support is so rarely needed here. I wonder if the CCSO is actually not saying the agencies because it could make people think it is criminal and he would be less likely to get a confession from a guilty party. If they kind of play dumb, maybe someone will confess type of thing?

Just an idea, no evidence of that.

 

[iluvmua]

I’m not sure they necessarily are... that was a generic type comment they made.

They would be dumb not to.

With her being a nurse, they need to look into any and every person she had contact with.

Boyfriend, ex boyfriends, friends, weird patients that may have been fixated on her, co workers etc.

 

[PommyMommy]

About this alleged assault... Let's say that JV's story is true and Amy assaulted him. Which do you think is more likely?

1. He stood there and didn't defend himself at all.
2. He defended himself and caused injuries, either minor or serious, to Amy.
3. He defended himself and didn't cause any injuries to Amy.

 

[iluvmua]

We are actually pretty limited in our agencies and don't bring a whole lot of external agencies into our investigations, so if even FBI was mentioned, people would automatically say foul play. I wonder if the CCSO is actually not saying the agencies because it could make people think it is criminal and he would be less likely to get a confession from a guilty party. If they kind of play dumb, maybe someone will confess type of thing?

I was thinking the same thing, that if LE says FBI or something else, ppl are automatically going to think foul play and the Dr. Having something to do with it and if he has business pages online, yelp whatever that could literally ruin his life and career if ppl start leaving messages on his personal online pages.

Jmo

If he is in fact innocent,

 

[PommyMommy]

They would be dumb not to.

With her being a nurse, they need to look into any and every person she had contact with.

Boyfriend, ex boyfriends, friends, weird patients that may have been fixated on her, co workers etc.

Are you suggesting that a weird patient or ex-boyfriend just happened to be at the river behind the home after she had an argument with JV and ran out of the house? MOO​

 

[iluvmua]

Are you suggesting that a weird patient or ex-boyfriend just happened to be at the river behind the home after she had an argument with JV and ran out of the house? MOO​

No, but she is a nurse and came in contact with a lot of ppl.

Every person needs to be checked out and not just the boyfriend.

Jmo

 

[bwt42]

About this alleged assault... Let's say that JV's story is true and Amy assaulted him. Which do you think is more likely?

• He stood there and didn't defend himself at all.
• He defended himself and caused injuries, either minor or serious, to Amy.

How about defended himself & didn't cause any injuries to Amy?

 

[PommyMommy]

No, so do you think her current boyfriend is the only one who needs to be looked at, because I don't.

No, and I've never said that. I think they're doing a thorough investigation per SOP and have much more information than what they have disclosed to the public, and for good reason. And while they continue to call it a missing person's investigation, it is looking more and more like a criminal investigation to me. We shall see. MOO

 

[PommyMommy]

How about defended himself & didn't cause any injuries to Amy?

I'll add that as a third option. MOO