GUILTY NC - Jason Corbett, 39, murdered in his Wallburg home, 2 Aug 2015 #7

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stmarysmead said:
http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...ated-soninlaw-jason-court-hears-35989680.html

I wonder if the jury will sense the attitude of superiority in these comments by Martens. He had disdain for Jason, his Irish family, and his "rowdy" friends. It almost sounds like bigotry to me. Yet, he was more than willing to take any material benefits, vacations, etc. and insert himself intimJason's children's lives.

This disgust seems broader to me than just confined to one individual. Martens definitely believed he was a superior class of person, or so it seems to me from this testimony.

Really wonder how the jury will see this?
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Yes, he spoke poorly of his son in law, but at the same time, Jason had taken the problem child off his hands. TM should have kissed the ground Jason walked upon.

IMHO
 
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Hotchips said:
I agree, I'm unclear on this too whether she was of the opinion they were rude or it was said by TM. As we know there is a cultural attitude about parties and alcohol. We Irish like to socialise and have the craic as we say, doesn't make people rowdy drinks. However some do hold this opinion. What may appear rowdy to some would not be considered rowdy at all among Irish people. I have come across this myself in NYC particularly out in LI at various functions I have attended. I recall surprise being expressed when I very boldly accepted a second glass of wine at a party.... It was almost like dear Lord dyes having another, this will get a bit mad lol. Clearly TM and his work colleagues may have been of the view too. It stands our to me who little the families actually really knew each other prior to the marriage. I do think believe TM ever visited Ireland so he would not have seen the large family dynamic going on. I come from a large family myself... We get loud! Not a crime.

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Sorry lot if typos with no option to correct on my new tapatalk function. Apologies!!! Gonna go back to desktop version

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As a American,in a country that is a "melting pot"... I'm concerned when someone widens the circles of disgust from one person, to his entire family, to all his friends of the same race, nationality or creed. That's WAY too wide a smear.

That's when I start to make a negative "judgement" about "judgers" like TM.
 
Thomas certainly doesn't appear to like the Irish.

Well if it's any consolation, we don't like him very much either.

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I'm Irish, I don't have a problem with tm not liking Jason's friends, I can't because that's his problem. But it's a problem for me when the term rowdy is used. Rowdy in Ireland means to me, you pick fights, like a brawl, instigate drunken bickering, involve or intervene in inebrehated fuelled fights or "Donneybrooks" as tm likes to say

Now knowing Irish lads even the wildest, I imagine they went into that house thinking they were welcome, exstatic to see their friend, even more so his happiness, they made themselves at home as the Irish do and treated sm and tm like they knew them all their lives imo. Stayed up late maybe sang songs reminiessed, slagged (teased) they probably called tm by a nickname within a few hours

This to the Irish is endearment, this to a socially inept, cold, disfuntional family is "rowdy"

Perhaps that's why he uses the term "rowdy" imo but it's highly offensive to an Irish girl here so for tm sake I hope their are no Irish descendant jurors which there may well be as our countries are intertwined by history, because they too will feel the kick I did reading it.


All just my thoughts, opinions

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stmarysmead said:
Well, for the first time, my opinion on this case is shifting. My opinion on Tom Marten is shifting. I thought only Molly could exhibit that rage. But here's a man who has been "hating" for a long while.
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I agree, this would be the second boyfriend/husband of Molly's he 'disapproved' of. How many adult children still have the over involvement of their parents in their relationship once the parents have negative feelings towards their partner?

Molly seems to have been controlled and manipulated by her parents all of her adult life, I find this very unusual when she took on the role of parent herself.
 
So, Thomas Martens claims that the reason he & SM visited so suddenly on the Saturday was because he had not seen his daughter or (step) grandchildren for six months.

Freedman said Thomas Martens and his wife, Sharon, decided to visit their daughter and grandchildren after not seeing them for six months. They arrived at the Corbett home on Saturday, August 1, 2015.
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http://www.wxii12.com/article/first...rial-includes-graphic-photos-details/10386882


but.....

he had seen them, two months before JC death

"He said the children were down (for the weekend). He said: 'You are always glad to see them come but you are always glad to see them go.""(He said) That son-in-law - I hate him."
The statement was allegedly made two months before Mr Corbett's death.
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http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...ated-soninlaw-jason-court-hears-35989680.html
 
Logic-lady said:
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I agree, this would be the second boyfriend/husband of Molly's he 'disapproved' of. How many adult children still have the over involvement of their parents in their relationship once the parents have negative feelings towards their partner?

Molly seems to have been controlled and manipulated by her parents all of her adult life, I find this very unusual when she took on the role of parent herself.
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I agree to a point LL but this seems a co dependant, dangerous, toxic daddy/daughter duo. Not the first, won't be the last. What happened in the room that night came from the roots up.

Just my opinion

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Here's my opinion, nothing more.

TM has a good job but in the scheme of things, he and his wife are not any American social elite. But they seem to want to pose as if they are aristocracy for some reason. It's one thing to be proud. It's another to be prideful. I have thought for a long time, from numerous social media posts, that they are prideful.

My feeling about Molly's early bout with her illness, is that they set her adrift. She was an embarrassment to their facade of perfection and superiority. She was supposed to be the beautiful Clemson coed studying for a really good job.

We could never find any evidence she was at or graduated from Clemson. When her illness strikes and she's on way too many medications, and cycling through mania and depression...is she home where they can care for her?
No, she is in an apartment they purchased...maybe so the neighbors won't clue into her mental problems? How sad for her.

Someone enabled her to leave the inpatient mental health facility and travel,to Ireland to care for 2 infants. Someone paid the fare. Out of sight, out of mind. Mom only visits twice. Dad never at all.

This is cold, in my opinion.

Then there is the matter of the wedding. If Jason did indeed pay for this...who were they trying to impress as if they could afford that expenditure? As if they, the Southern aristocrats, were funding a lavish wedding.

Having Molly back on their hands and Jason gone back to Ireland, would be a blow to their "images" and their lifestyle. Just the carping at work about him, his family, his Irish friends...that's someone who thinks HE is a class above.

And this coverup...he thinks he's smarter as well.

We shall see.
 
And I will say this, Imo jason was feeling down because if he realised or knew his true worth or how much he meant to those who knew him, he would have ran as far away as he could from this family again classic sign of DV. But like many men, maybe put down, made to feel inadequate, belittled he stayed probably in the hopes things would get better, she will get better,

Because imo his nature never knew this kind of deceit nor hatred.

Just my opinions.

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kittythehare said:
interesting
http://www.journalnow.com/news/crim...al&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share
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[FONT=&quot]"That son-in-law ... I hate him," she said Martens told her.

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]She also testified that Martens expressed his dislike of Jason in 2011 as Jason was preparing to marry Molly.

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]"It was just a discussion of his pre-wedding celebration," she said. "Jason his friends were coming to their home, the Martens' home. He indicated his dislike for Jason and his rowdy friends."

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Outside the presence of the jury, Lowry also testified that Martens made his dislike for Jason well-known among the counterintelligence unit, which was comprised of about 13 people.

[/FONT]13 more witnesses.. I wonder whether they will be called..
 
Logic-lady said:
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I agree, this would be the second boyfriend/husband of Molly's he 'disapproved' of. How many adult children still have the over involvement of their parents in their relationship once the parents have negative feelings towards their partner?

Molly seems to have been controlled and manipulated by her parents all of her adult life, I find this very unusual when she took on the role of parent herself.
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boyfriend number 3 i believe hairstylist gave interview to dailymail last sunday due to his religion,i believe he wasnt fond of km either now jc guess no one was good enough fo his daughter which is fine thats a dads prerogative but to state in a statement he was looking forward to playing golf with his son inlaw was a lie while he may have played golf to keep his daughter happy if he didnt like him he woulding be looking forward to the game
moo
 
I bet his attorney wishes he hadn't started with the Happy Families Golfing Buddies schtick.
 
bernie millar said:
boyfriend number 3 i believe hairstylist gave interview to dailymail last sunday due to his religion,i believe he wasnt fond of km either now jc guess no one was good enough fo his daughter which is fine thats a dads prerogative but to state in a statement he was looking forward to playing golf with his son inlaw was a lie while he may have played golf to keep his daughter happy if he didnt like him he woulding be looking forward to the game
moo
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Didn't see this can you give more detail regarding boyfriend #3?

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Be true said:
And I will say this, Imo jason was feeling down because if he realised or knew his true worth or how much he meant to those who knew him, he would have ran as far away as he could from this family again classic sign of DV. But like many men, maybe put down, made to feel inadequate, belittled he stayed probably in the hopes things would get better, she will get better,

Because imo his nature never knew this kind of deceit nor hatred.



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Unfortunately, for most men in these situations, this would be the case...and you can certainly amplify this to the max, given that JC, was not in his home country, and, had his children to worry about also.
Just my opinions.
 
InterestedSpectator said:
Or a link?

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I think the problem is that the Irish Daily Mail...whose reporter Miss Fagan...has had some very interesting interviews ..is not online. So no link.

I don't think screenshots of the paper are allowed.
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