AMBER ALERT NJ - Dulce Mariá Alavez, 5, abducted at Bridgeton City Park, Cumberland County, 16 Sept 2019 #4

[zecats]

I'm paraphrasing. Is this right?

3 year old has his ice cream knocked to the ground somehow by someone. "They" who apparently saw this announce Dulce has ran "somewhere" with 2 men chasing her. Dulce never loses her grip on her ice cream while running in little girl high heels. So, Mom calls her brother to bring their dog to track her. 40-45 minutes later calls 911.

???

This appears to be the "latest" version. IMO

 

[oceanstarryeyes]

Was that a regular scheduled activity for Dulce and her Brother to go to the park with Mom at that time every day? Do they always park in the same spot instead of the big parking lot?

 

[jjenny]

This appears to be the "latest" version. IMO

Actually the earliest since it's on 911 call, which was made in the very beginning but only released just now.

 

[283]

Agree! Something about once the cops showed up, everyone scattered? Who's everyone? Is it possible one of them knows the kidnappers, maybe they are afraid of them?

I don’t think the scattering part is unusual at all considering the largely undocumented population there and the current focus on immigration.
I live a few hours north and my friend who works for an import company had their warehouse raided by ICE a few weeks ago.
The employees scattered and even the truck drivers making delivers left their trucks full of merchandise and ran.

 

[zecats]

Actually the earliest since it's on 911 call, which was made in the very beginning but only released just now.

Yes agreed. It is OUR latest version, since the 911 call has just been released. We've processed through discussion of many versions up to this point.

 

[oceanstarryeyes]

The father lives in Mexico and going to school but he has family that live in the States. Has anyone in his family moved to a different location within the last year?

 

[afitzy]

I'm curious whether a man with a small child could cross this road at 4:30PM easily? I'm curious about the trails between the swings and the bridge, and then the other side of the road?

This images show what this looks like today, and what it looked like in 2002. The bridge is part of the original road. Today, it is a pedestrian bridge with a crosswalk and sidewalk to other sport courts.

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What did it look like in 2002:

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What trails run between the swings and the bridge?
Hypothetical :

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I think your orange circle was what someone local described as the 'service entrance' for Park workers. There is supposedly some kind of gate that opens and a trail for the workers.

 

[jjenny]

The father lives in Mexico and going to school but he has family that live in the States. Has anyone in his family moved to a different location within the last year?

Dulce's mother also claimed father is too poor to even come to the US. Seems so unlikely a guy that poor would want to raise a child, or have means to kidnap that child.

 

[jjenny]

In 911 call, mother just said that "they" saw two men, black and Mexian, but didn't say what exactly these men were supposedly doing. It's the dispatcher who then started saying that two black males took little brother's ice cream, threw it on the floor, and took the girl. Mother hasn't actually said that, and "they" apparently haven't said that either.
Which could explain why originally mother just said to the media that Dulce run away.

 

[oceanstarryeyes]

Dulce's mother also claimed father is too poor to even come to the US. Seems so unlikely a guy that poor would want to raise a child, or have means to kidnap that child.

But a Grandparent might want to raise her and move to where the father is going to school

 

[MissMalowe]

The write up, which was worded somewhat strangely was as follows:

Dulce was seated in the back seat by the man, who drove

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AMBER ALERT - NJ - Dulce Maria Alavez, 5, abducted at Bridgeton City Park, 16 Sept 2019

 

[afitzy]

I don't speak Spanish, but in Italian (which I only know limited conversationally) it seemed like a single C was soft, so my gut feeling is that Dulce is phonetically pronounced "dool-seh" or "duhl-che".

Does anyone know how her name is pronounced correctly? Anyone who pronounced it dyoul-key ... maybe mentally challenged? Or is that the correct pronunciation?

@otto....here is a quick video of pronunciation

 

[afitzy]

Where are the houses she was referenced running behind in the 911 call?

My guess is that she was talking about the work sheds that are painted white. On the map there don't appear to be any other nearby structures.

 

[oceanstarryeyes]

Someone mentioned earlier about the brothers ice cream was on the ground and how could a 5 year old child in high heels run from someone while holding her ice cream?

That sounds like she was not running in fear? (Or she would have dropped her ice cream,) Maybe running to or with someone that was carrying her ice cream?

 

[afitzy]

BRIDGETON, N.J. (CBS) — The Cumberland County Prosecutor’s Office has released the 911 call when the mother of 5-year-old Dulce Maria Alavez reported her daughter’s disappearance from a park in Bridgeton. Dulce has now been missing for over two weeks.

"In the call from Sept. 16, an emotional Noema Alavez Perez told the 911 dispatcher that she couldn’t find her daughter at Bridgeton City Park."

First link is 911 call only. soundcloud.com

‘I Can’t Find My Daughter’: Officials Release Mother’s 911 Call Reporting Dulce Maria Alavez Missing

'I Can't Find My Daughter': Officials Release Mother's 911 Call Reporting Dulce Maria Alavez Missing

The id tag on the 911 call was 1648 and 41 seconds. So, Monday Sept 16th, 4:48pm and 41 seconds is when Mom called 911.

 

[Suglo]

I don't speak Spanish, but in Italian (which I only know limited conversationally) it seemed like a single C was soft, so my gut feeling is that Dulce is phonetically pronounced "dool-seh" or "duhl-che".

Does anyone know how her name is pronounced correctly? Anyone who pronounced it dyoul-key ... maybe mentally challenged? Or is that the correct pronunciation?

It’s Dool-seh. Americans tend to pronounce the ce as “say” but it is “seh.”

 

[jjenny]

Totally agree with you! I don’t know that I’ve ever encountered a more convoluted Amber Alert/abduction. I am truly baffled by all of this. I just hope and pray little Dulce is found safe soon! MOO

Yes, it's all clear as mud.

 

[Yvettea]

So Noema tells the police two men took Dulce and the police start searching the park?

 

[afitzy]

Double checking in the media thread and the timeline says roughly 5 pm was the 911 call. Is that still correct?

Tag on one version of 911 call said Mom called at 4:48 pm and 41 seconds.

 

[jjenny]

So Noema tells the police two men took Dulce and the police start searching the park?

No, Noema didn't tell that in 911 call. That seems to be something 911 dispatcher came up with. Dulce's mother herself didn't actually see anything, but she never said two men took Dulce. It would appear dispatcher was trying to make a clear story based on mother's rather confusing statement, since mother herself claims she didn't see anything and relaying what various anonymous "they" supposedly told her.