NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #4

[CoolJ]

Really?? Patsy???

There are likely hundreds of security cameras in the casino. I am sure LE is combing thru all of the security footage. FWIW they don’t owe the public access to over a hundred hours of video from hundreds of cameras. Not to mention the privacy of other guests is an issue as well

All I want is to see videos of him bringing dozens of rifles and hundreds of pounds of ammunition into Mandalay.

Does LE owe the public the truth?

 

[kittythehare]

I think Paddock planned to start shooting as people were leaving the concert, filling the streets below, but the guard interfered and he had to get the job done earlier.

Possibly but does not explain that his first target was the oiltanks?
Assuming all the hype about his alleged genius is accurate, why did he not hit them effectively?
He must have known enough to know they are protected by the containers that house them.. surely he would not have omitted that important information from his preparations..
this is making less sense by the minute..

 

[CARIIS]

-Maybe on Friday we might know? “Kee-pa knock’n... butcha can’t come in”

They really must be in a Damage control frenzy. MB has big hurdles ahead. His friend leaked a word, that adds another dimension to his battle. I wonder if they have pin dolls of each other that they have been sticking relentlessly. SW better have the millions in security that he told ChrisW he invested in, because he may be hit with who knows what next.

I think they are in trial balloon mode!

Media already losing interest!

Friday fav day for news dump everyone leaves !!!

If it fades enough they can just be quiet for longer periods of time

 

[Spice]

BBM

Paddock being a patsy is in no way shape or forum a "conspiracy theory". It is merely a possibility.

[/B] There is no evidence of this, stating it is a possibly flies in the face of all of the facts that we have thus far. It is at the very least a wild assumption.

Authorities rarely tell the truth in open investigations. Why would they in an investigation of this magnitude.

This is literally the definition of the ideology behind conspiracy theories

After watching numerous videos, listening to audio of dispatch, and eye witness reports, I just cannot rule out "multiple shooters". In fact, that appears to be the most likely scenario.

Well, so far, LE has stated only one shooter, and have repeated that assertion ad nauseam. Also, what videos are you watching and what are the veracity of the sources that shared and or posted the videos.

I'm sorry if this offends you. I a man only trying to pass along what I consider to be a very viable (if not, likely) theory.

Your theory amounts to the fact that LE is lying, they rarely tell the truth concerning national tragedies and massacres. That is the definition of a conspiracy theory. It is becoming extremely tiresome to read post after post of unwarranted suspicion, constant exasperated hyperbolic reactions to new information that clearly have a conspiratorial tone, only to hear the posters say, "no one is spreading conspiracy theories here".

It's easy to comprehend the meaning of the posts. They are very thinly disguised.

 

[bears10]

All I want is to see are videos of him bringing dozens of rifles and hundreds of pounds of ammunition into Mandalay.

Does LE owe the public the truth?

A week into the investigation, LE does not owe the public access to the surveillance videos IMO. There are privacy issues for the other guests as well.

 

[CoolJ]

Linked recently - the have reported they have on CCTV of 200 instances of him - but he never spoke to a human being according to their statement.

Good, they should have him lugging his armoury into the resort and into his room. I look forward to seeing that with my own eyes.

 

[CoolJ]

A week into the investigation, LE does not owe the public access to the surveillance videos IMO. There are privacy issues for the other guests as well.

Ok, and if a year goes by and still no proof, will you reconsider your position?

 

[CARIIS]

Weapons plural?

Amazing catch would have totally missed it

 

[Ambitioned]

To me a conspiracy is having alien lizards beam down and shoot then beam back up.

The way I see it, we just don't have all the information yet. So to wonder if someone is a lone shooter or patsy is not out of the realm of discussion what with the information and timeline changing. Not to mention the FBI guy breathing down the Sheriff's neck.

After all, There have been many books and documentaries on whether Lee Harvey Oswald was a lone shooter or patsy.

JMO.

 

[kittythehare]

All I want is to see are videos of him bringing dozens of rifles and hundreds of pounds of ammunition into Mandalay.

Does LE owe the public the truth?

Does LE have a duty of care to the public?
I'm pretty sure they would have been in bags or suitcases so you will never see them.
Multi agency cases may never see the light of day.. could be sealed forever, for the common good.

 

[Ambitioned]

All I want is to see are videos of him bringing dozens of rifles and hundreds of pounds of ammunition into Mandalay.

Does LE owe the public the truth?

They at least owe the victims and family the truth.

 

[Spice]

Ok, and if a year goes by and still no proof, will you reconsider your position?

It took YEARS for authorities to release the footage of the shooters shooting in Columbine. What is your insinuation? Why do you think that the public is owed "video footage" before the investigation is completed, and all possible legal actions taken by victims and survivors adjudicated.

What is it that you think LE or authorities gain by lying to you or covering something up. For what? What would be their secondary gain in doing so?

 

[CoolJ]

BBM



Your theory amounts to the fact that LE is lying, they rarely tell the truth concerning national tragedies and massacres. That is the definition of a conspiracy theory. It is becoming extremely tiresome to read post after post of unwarranted suspicion, constant exasperated hyperbolic reactions to new information that clearly have a conspiratorial tone, only to hear the posters say, "no one is spreading conspiracy theories here".

It's easy to comprehend the meaning of the posts. They are very thinly disguised.

So we should toe the line? Whatever authorities tell us, that is the truth, no questions asked?

I'm sorry. When the "official version" doesn't add up. I question it.
Again, I am sorry that offends you. It offends me when folks don't consider all possibilities.

If you want to call it a "conspiracy theory" in order to discredit my viewpoint, that is fine. I am sorry you feel that way. I am only in search of truth.

 

[bears10]

Ok, and if a year goes by and still no proof, will you reconsider your position?

Proof of what?? LE isn’t saying he didn’t haul up the weapons and ammo. He brought them up over the course of days, probably in inconspicuous luggage. It’s not like he walked thru the casino strapped with 20 semi autos across his body, swinging a rifle around his head like a lasso.

 

[CARIIS]

Jason Aldean, Eric Church, Sam Hunt, Lauren Alaina, Big & Rich, Lee Brice, Maren Morris and Jake Owen were all on the bill for the three-day, sold-out festival at Las Vegas Village, which attracted 25,000 guests a day to the same event last year.
The 15-acre plot near Luxor and Mandalay Bay is one of two open-air venues on the Strip owned by MGM Resorts International.

Country fans are these big acts??

In its inaugural year, when Aldean, Blake Shelton and Miranda Lambert headlined, the event lured 30,000 fans to a parking lot that had been converted into a festival space.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...e-shooting-festival-1506963143-htmlstory.html

 

[CARIIS]

Proof of what?? LE isn’t saying he didn’t haul up the weapons and ammo. He brought them up over the course of days, probably in inconspicuous luggage. It’s not like he walked thru the casino strapped with 20 semi autos across his body, swinging a rifle around his head like a lasso.

That is an image!!

 

[Ambitioned]

I'm sorry. When the "official version" doesn't add up. I question it.
Again, I am sorry that offends you. It offends me when folks don't consider all possibilities.

What was it Reagan said? Trust but verify? IMO we should always ask questions.

 

[bears10]

That is an image!!

Yes I have to say as annoyed as I am it made me smirk while I typed it

 

[CoolJ]

It took YEARS for authorities to release the footage of the shooters shooting in Columbine. What is your insinuation? Why do you think that the public is owed "video footage" before the investigation is completed, and all possible legal actions taken by victims and survivors adjudicated.

What is it that you think LE or authorities gain by lying to you or covering something up. For what? What would be their secondary gain in doing so?

Whoa whoa. Nobody said anything about releasing anything before the investigation is complete. I am merely asking to keep an open mind because what is being sold to us right now does not add up.

I posted on the first page of thread 1 for this tragedy. I have since been intensely studying this case from a variety of sources and I am just telling you what makes sense to me. Why are you trying to discredit my opinion?

 

[bears10]

What was it Reagan said? Trust but verify? IMO we should always ask questions.

Of course ask questions. But it’s been a week. To say SP is a pasty bc LE isn’t releasing footage of the movements of the most deadly mass shooter in US history is unreasonable