NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #4

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MistyWaters said:
I haven't noticed any reports of his delivering his stash of weaponry all once, in fact to the contrary. The huge assortment of weaponry, ammunition, tools and protective gear that was eventually amassed may be insight within the thought process of a obsessive and disjointed mind, over a period of several days, planning and re-planing a far greater disaster to impossible "superhuman" heights that he intended to have culminated in his eventual successful escape.

"Though Paddock checked in about a week before the shooting occurred, he did not remain in Las Vegas. Authorities believe he traveled to Mesquite several times in the days leading up to Oct. 1.

Throughout his time in Las Vegas, Paddock did not interact with many people, the sheriff said, dispelling rumors the shooter had met with a prostitute for at least one night.

Bellman helped with bags

On at least two occasions, a bellman helped Paddock bring bags up to his 32nd-floor suite. After poring over surveillance footage, authorities have yet to spot any red flags about Paddock’s actions leading up to Oct. 1 that may have signaled his planned ambush."
https://www.reviewjournal.com/local...tails-about-las-vegas-shooting-investigation/
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My comment was because we were discussing the fact SP also looked into Chicago. I merely said Vegas was more convenient to his home then trying to get an entire arsenal on a plane or driving from NV to IL. I never once implied anything else.

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mrsu said:
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Security guard is on &#8220;vacation&#8221; yet he&#8217;s praised as a miracle HERO but no interviews. Instead, maintenance guy is now allowed to give interviews.

WTF is going on? Makes no sense at all.
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I haven't noticed it reported that the security guard was "on vacation", rather that he was "out of town". If "on vacation" refers to not working on the job, wouldn't it be expected that he be given medical leave after getting shot on the job? As I recall, he's 25 years old. Maybe he went to stay with his parents to recover aside from his gunshot injury, what must've been a very traumatic episode? As long as his whereabouts is known to LE, which it appears it is and as he's committed no known crime, I can understand why he's not hanging around with the media in his face. LE is investigating, the security guard is not required to prove anything to the general public.

I don't think your reference to "on vacation" was intended to elude to the thought that he's enjoying himself on a some sort of rewarding and wonderfully relaxing holiday.
 
Elley Mae said:
Las Vegas shooter reportedly used hotel freight elevator as high-rolling perk

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/1...bags-as-resort-cops-differ-over-timeline.html

A Las Vegas bellhop may have unwittingly helped Stephen Paddock carry his arsenal of weapons and ammunition up a freight elevator Paddock accessed through a special hotel perk and into the out-of-view 32nd-floor suite Paddock used to rain down mayhem on a country music concert crowd.
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I really don't see how a gross freight elevator is a "perk".. I wish I knew some high rollers who could verify this. I worked for a few very posh hotels and we did everything to keep our guests away from that crap.. The hoops they go through using service elevators etc just so no one sees the dirty behind the scenes day to day

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canadiangirl said:
Has it been discussed on here yet SP "link" to a company called Volant LLC?

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I'm not seeing a link, really.

http://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N5343M

The above is the FAA registration for an aircraft once owned by Paddock. In Feb 2010, he sold it to a company called USH, Inc of Los Angeles. In Dec 2010, USH, Inc. sold it to a man (a physician, possibly) in Roanoke, VA. Three years later, that man sold the plane to a company called Volant, LLC of Roanoke.

Considering the plane was owned by 3 different people in the nearly 4 yrs after Paddock sold it, it doesn't look suspicious. JMO.
 
mrsu said:
I want to know the truth about the room. We have evidence SP was in Vegas the 25th. Sheriff still says he was in a different room until the 28th. We have a room receipt from the 27th with room 32135.

Brian Hodges was in 32134. So did he break into that room? Was he let in by the security guard?

He was seen with someone who police wanted info on. We were told that person was located and suggested it was a prostitute. Then we are told prostitute claims are wrong and he was seen 200 times and only ever by himself.

Security guard is on “vacation” yet he’s praised as a miracle HERO but no interviews. Instead, maintenance guy is now allowed to give interviews.

WTF is going on? Makes no sense at all.
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The active shooting lasted under 15 min.
Why hide for 3 hours??

"Mr Hodge said he hid in bushes outside the hotel for three hours."

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/wo...stralian-man-brian-hodge-20171002-gysy9v.html

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Betty P said:
I'm not seeing a link, really.

http://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N5343M

The above is the FAA registration for an aircraft once owned by Paddock. In Feb 2010, he sold it to a company called USH, Inc of Los Angeles. In Dec 2010, USH, Inc. sold it to a man (a physician, possibly) in Roanoke, VA. Three years later, that man sold the plane to a company called Volant, LLC of Roanoke.

Considering the plane was owned by 3 different people in the nearly 4 yrs after Paddock sold it, it doesn't look suspicious. JMO.
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If you search Volant LLC, the first google hit is a company that deals with National Security, US intelligence, National Defence

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canadiangirl said:
My comment was because we were discussing the fact SP also looked into Chicago. I merely said Vegas was more convenient to his home then trying to get an entire arsenal on a plane or driving from NV to IL. I never once implied anything else.

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Thanks, I was responding to why SP didn't arrouse suspicion upon checking into the hotel with all his weaponry. Because his diabolical planning seems not to be spur of the moment, much like the studious and concentrated nature of an avid poker player, it's possible the other locations merely served to give him an overview of the general nature of concert crowd mentality.

As he left no diary or manifesto behind, it seems much of his thought process and actions behind this tragedy will be forever unanswered. The fact that he didn't leave anything behind may be due to his mistaken belief that he was infallible.
 
canadiangirl said:
Hey I've been known to be wrong.

Volant LLC - owned by John W Rogers
Volant Associates LLC - John W Rogers Jr

Both are based in VA - one has a connection to SP

I see similarities, or coincidences if you will.

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Volant Assoc is owned by someone with the initials EM.
 
canadiangirl said:
If you search Volant LLC, the first google hit is a company that deals with National Security, US intelligence, National Defence

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Volant ASSOCIATES LLC. Completely different.
 
canadiangirl said:
If you search Volant LLC, the first google hit is a company that deals with National Security, US intelligence, National Defence

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Yes, I realize that, but Paddock didn't sell the plane to that company. He sold it nearly 4 yrs earlier to a company in Los Angeles that used it, then sold it to an individual (not suspicious) in VA. That person owned the plane for 2 yrs before selling it to Volant LLC. Paddock is three owners and almost 4 yrs separated from the security company in Roanoke.
 
CARIIS said:
IMO most behavior is about gains

We have a what looks like ! rigid FBI agent !

We have a Sheriff whose department is under federal investigation

Who would benefit by making the story:

A) His officers response time was spectacular, amazing, incredible and timely

or

B) They really effed up and lots of people are hurt

Then we have to see what gains would a FBI agent have

A I am involved in this investigation -- might it better for me to just let the Sheriffs version stand?

or is it more ethical and proper to

B Take a part of the responsibility that I did not intervene earlier --and insist that the facts be provided to the public . I will stand my ground and not let this supposed LE person want to perpetuate a falsehood.

Now this is just mo. I think this dude tried (for as long as he could tolerate- the stupidity) to play politics. But as this is going on he started to realize that this dude really has no clue what he is doing . He is a sheriff - they do speeding tickets!

I think he finally went to his superiors and wa like oh god he missed the shooting range, effed what happened and when , is talking about searching for a trigger , is saying he can read minds and that he planned on escaping thinks there is nothing meaningful about two cell phone things , he cant conduct a press conference without rude or getting flustered . The whole world is watching this . I need your permission _ I think we should let him know he can pretend that he is in charge and acknowledge that they got the timeline totally wrong , or we will do it,

This is only speculation , but I would think by this point other agents are starting to get concerned too.

There city cops -- this is huge.

If one of your loved ones was killed who would you want to find out what happened ?

Some Sheriff or the Federal Bureau of Investigation of the United States of AMerica?

Do you want s specialist that specializes in heart transplant or an internist!!

He is out of his league .........moo

Fair question imo


This a national crisis.
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-WOW!!! I have only seen the Today show segment with the BE, another Hero that had NO mention on 60minutes. Or was he the one who was referenced as a Maintenance man, as opposed to the building engineer?

I can’t stay tuned in as much today, will try to keep up. I’m thankful that we continue to ask logical questions as just the basics have continued to be beyond illogical. This is wrong and grievous on many platforms&#128200;
 
I have read most of the threads on this case and I've followed the horrible media on it. I have a few thoughts on it.
First off the guns. My husband does tactical shooting so we own a few AR 15's. These guns come in pieces and they can be taken apart easily. They would be easy to transport in a duffle bag. Same with ammo. He has a tactical backpack that holds a lot of ammo. Also owning 30 plus weapons is not unheard of. Also we just went to Vegas inAugust. Their are so many people coming in and out of these casino/hotels at all hours. This guy bringing in heavy luggage on a cart would not raise flags at all.
Second the hotel room. People keep making comments about how did no one know or see these guns in that room. I travel quite a bit for work. After seeing a hidden hotel video of maids going through people's luggage, I quit getting housekeeping during my stays. I put the do not distrub thing on the door when I arrive. If I need extra towels I get the from the front desk.
Third cops timeline. So many people throwing a fit over the timeline.not just here on SM also. Think about this. Multiple calls coming in to 911 about an active shooter at this outdoor concert. Most of these people calling have no clue where the gunfire is coming from. They are just trying to get out and get help there immediately. Then during the same time you have a call (supposedly)from MB security that they have a security guard who was shot outside a hotel room. There's some crazy stuff that goes on in vegas. If I were a cop responding I would go to ground zero to locate the shooter, shooting at 20,000 plus people before the hotel. I'm sure once they arrived they realized hey the shots are coming from the hotel. At which point they try to make entry. The elevators in these hotels are near the casinos. At 9-10pm at night people are all over the place. Meaning they had to get through all the people and upstairs. Listening to the radio the other day they interviewed a swat team member. He told them cops are to make entry into any room where an active shooting is happening but if they arrive and the active gunfire has stopped they must stand down and wait for swat. As they did in this case. This is my opinion of what happened. Although I really want to hear something from this security guy.

Also I don't buy that the GF had no idea what he was up to.
 
Someone mentioned LV having a very high suicide rate - here is an article from NPR about this topic in 2009.

Quote from the coroner:

"The vast majority of those that came to Las Vegas did not come here and lose their money and then commit suicide," Murphy said. "They came here with the idea of making their last kind of 'hooray,' and then they took their lives. And they did it so that they wouldn't be doing that at home where their family members would find them; they were going to another location."

He's also noticed something else within the past several months.

"We are seeing a few more incidences of what we call homicide-suicides, where someone takes the life of a significant other and then their own life. And you have to look at that and say, is that a direct result of what we're seeing economically? Is it a result of a foreclosure? Is it a result of the aging community and the health issues and concerns for those folks? I don't know yet," he said.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=98042717

In this article though, in 2017, they say the rate of suicides in Las Vegas has dropped, and now the city is no longer in the top ten cities in the US for suicides.

http://news3lv.com/news/local/falling-suicide-rates-in-nevada-gives-counselors-hope-with-progress
 
canadiangirl said:
I really don't see how a gross freight elevator is a "perk".. I wish I knew some high rollers who could verify this. I worked for a few very posh hotels and we did everything to keep our guests away from that crap.. The hoops they go through using service elevators etc just so no one sees the dirty behind the scenes day to day

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-I have never heard of a service or freight elevator being a perk. They are filthy by nature. The service staffers are typically in rubberized footwear, rubber gloves, etc.
 
MistyWaters said:
My thoughts only but amidst the mass confusion, it wouldn't be surprising if private citizens who happened to be carrying didn't shoot toward a wrongfully perceived source of gunfire unintentionally causing even greater catastrophe. Just my guess about that but the reason people carry is to defend themselves so imo it's not out of realm of possibilities. As Canadians we live in a world somewhat further apart from the mindset...not saying whether that's good or bad, just the way it is. In one of the media reports I linked earlier containing communication between officers, it was mentioned people were attempting to gain access to either vehicles and weapons, assumably in order to defend themselves.

And considering the distance of SP, there's also a high probability of ricocheting bullets giving the misperceptions of gunfire coming from various directions. In one of the media reports I read, frantic people who fled to their hotel rooms and immediately called 911 initially led LE to believe the shootings were occurring at other hotels as well.

Just my opinion but some on the internet are spreading false information because the prospect of an anonymous organized group of people is far more tantalizing to consider than just one crazy lone shooter who was obsessed with winning. But that's also perhaps what SP intended, an egotistical footprint one might say.
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I agree with this 1000%

There's a video going around supposedly showing another shooter in the venue. While it's super unclear, I believe if the person is holding a gun they are likely pulling out a handgun they were carrying for protection. My husband would've busted his out too. Why would another shooter be put in the venue where they could potentially get shot by the other shooter, leaving undeniable proof of a "second shooter"?

In situations like this, there is so much hysteria and anxiety, people start to perceive threat everywhere. Especially when so few were aware of where the shooting had come from while in the midst of all the chaos. If someone calls in saying there's a shooter in another casino, LE is going to treat that as fact until it's investigated so that explains all the reports of shooters in various casinos.

On 9/11, I was in high school and there were insane rumors about bombs on cars and all sorts of crazy stuff that turned out to be COMPLETELY false and off the wall. We didn't even have TV's to view the coverage so these rumors were strictly from kids calling their families on their cell phones and whatever we heard listening to the radio. It just goes to show how unreliable early information can be in these mass casualty tragedies.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here but I believe with a rifle you can generally hear two sounds if the shots are coming toward you - the "boom" of the gun itself and then the "crack" of the bullet if it passes you(kind of like an airplane passing you overhead). That could explain some of the confusion about where the shots were coming from and why the different sounds, could it not? Obviously the echo of the shots and possible ricocheting bullets could've contributed too.



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Betty P said:
I'm not seeing a link, really.

http://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N5343M

The above is the FAA registration for an aircraft once owned by Paddock. In Feb 2010, he sold it to a company called USH, Inc of Los Angeles. In Dec 2010, USH, Inc. sold it to a man (a physician, possibly) in Roanoke, VA. Three years later, that man sold the plane to a company called Volant, LLC of Roanoke.

Considering the plane was owned by 3 different people in the nearly 4 yrs after Paddock sold it, it doesn't look suspicious. JMO.
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I agree.

Do any of us know who is driving our old cars now? Are we connected to them?
 
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