NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #5

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CARIIS said:
My god you guys can understand that ! Good for you!

Is that a lot of his stuff??
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I do NOT claim to understand it.. I have no clue... I was just doing a snoop around the hotel finances when I chanced upon it as part and parcel of my own conspiracy theories which i try to keep to myself, mostly... I have zero finance knowledge so may as well be gibberish..
I was searching for motives, for who could have benefited from the act, looking to see whether hotel was involved, because of apparent delay in notifying police and some other things.. so many different reports of why SG was even on that floor at that time and whether the maintenance guy was there for the same reason or an entirely different reason.. whether they knew SG prior to this.. all the rabbit holes.. and then some and pretty sure there are many more too..ramblings of a fried brain...
I'm thinking now, that if the drilling story is true, that he must have been boobytrapping the door with some device..but all his other carpentry appears to have gone unnoticed..
I want to know what he ate that day.
I want to know what drinks he took.. was he hungry, dehydrated, drugged or drunk or caffeinated high..
The processions from the hotel back to his home and back again..
the room shift.. how did he explain that to the hotel staff?
So very many excess guns when all he required was sufficient ammunition.. why why why?
Its as though part of his brain was in overdrive, gleeful, almost, with his kill plan.. I really was quite convinced he had brain pathological disturbance, possibly a massive tumor..
He could have carried what he needed in one bag and achieved the same result..
the loaded car.. was it primed to explode? As diversion or a suicide mission?
 
Thinking about family dynamics, I find it interesting that although SP was the eldest, his younger brother was the namesake of his father. Admittedly, I don't know the frequency of this happening in families, but I suspect it is uncommon. Of course, one could argue that it was a blessing he was not saddled with the name of a notorious criminal, but he might not of saw it that way.
 
kittythehare said:
I do NOT claim to understand it.. I have no clue... I was just doing a snoop around the hotel finances when I chanced upon it as part and parcel of my own conspiracy theories which i try to keep to myself, mostly... I have zero finance knowledge so may as well be gibberish..
I was searching for motives, for who could have benefited from the act, looking to see whether hotel was involved, because of apparent delay in notifying police and some other things.. so many different reports of why SG was even on that floor at that time and whether the maintenance guy was there for the same reason or an entirely different reason.. whether they knew SG prior to this.. all the rabbit holes.. and then some and pretty sure there are many more too..ramblings of a fried brain...
I'm thinking now, that if the drilling story is true, that he must have been boobytrapping the door with some device..but all his other carpentry appears to have gone unnoticed..
I want to know what he ate that day.
I want to know what drinks he took.. was he hungry, dehydrated, drugged or drunk or caffeinated high..
The processions from the hotel back to his home and back again..
the room shift.. how did he explain that to the hotel staff?
So very many excess guns when all he required was sufficient ammunition.. why why why?
Its as though part of his brain was in overdrive, gleeful, almost, with his kill plan.. I really was quite convinced he had brain pathological disturbance, possibly a massive tumor..
He could have carried what he needed in one bag and achieved the same result..
the loaded car.. was it primed to explode? As diversion or a suicide mission?
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Machine gun from up high and a love of flying makes me think it was a 'boys own' WWI fantasy acted out, adjacent to an airport and with cannon fodder below, which I have already stated. I wonder if he played video games at home, as well as pokies at casinos? MOO
 
Hey m00... or anyone who knows weapons well... if he shot the glass, rather than broke it with the hammer, how likely would it be to ricochet back instead of breaking through? If he researched while planning (which certainly happened so there is evidence somewhere!), would that have been something that woukd have deterred him from shooting the window?

But now I'm thinking...... what device did he learn about the gun trajectories and stuff. That's technical. There is lots.of.electronic evidence somewhere. He's not a completely closed book. For instance, the police would know I visit Websleuths way too much, Etsy a kajillion times a day, am always on lesson planning pages and look up information about pokemon! This dude has a footprint with his multiple electronics he had with him. He wasn't old school, only has a land line. There is plenty that will be discovered, including when his planning began

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Oh brother

I thought his house was broken into after the

the FBI had to go back and redo what the cops did.

It was before !!

Why would the biggest mass shooter in the history of the USA house, been left unguarded a couple of days after his shoots a bunch of people??

At least just leave a regular cop there ( if the FBI )for a week or two??

Look at the date on this story from USA Today -

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/10/10/las-vegas-shooter-reno-home/752243001/
 
CARIIS said:
Oh brother

I thought his house was broken into after the

the FBI had to go back and redo what the cops did.

It was before !!

Why would the biggest mass shooter in the history of the USA house, been left unguarded a couple of days after his shoots a bunch of people??

At least just leave a regular cop there ( if the FBI )for a week or two??
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-Makes no sense. It should have been booby-trapped...
 
Gooddeeds said:
-Kitty, did anyone answer this? I love the one line question post, especially in the late evening
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no
The lV Review Journal stated sG was on floor because of an alarm, and heard drilling and went to investigate it.
But I dont know if its true or not..Surely sG would have seen him on his cctv tea trolleygadget and ceased drilling when he saw a member of staff on the floor?
Another mystery.
Thanks.
 
kittythehare said:
Oh God.. I just Google asked why Murren had offloaded his shares.
I wish I hadn't.
Is anybody familiar with the finance sector?
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OK, I've just had a cursory look through a number of the SEC filings relating to these disposals and it doesn't actually look hinky.

It's not just Murren who has been disposing of shares in recent months as other directors have as well, with several transactions on the same dates.

Take a look at this example:

http://app.quotemedia.com/data/down...International&formType=4&dateFiled=2017-10-10

Look at column 4 in Table 1.

What I think we are seeing is automatic vesting of previous share awards (note the A for Acquired in the middle column) and the subsequent disposal of a proportion of the acquired shares. This is typically because when nil-cost share awards vest, various taxes are immediately payable and it's very common for directors to sell sufficient shares to pay the resulting taxes (D for Disposal). They then keep the remaining shares.

The thing is that awards that are not options, such as nil-cost awards) must vest (or not) on a certain date, which is typically 3 or 5 years after the awards are made, so the timing of vesting and the resulting share disposals is not at the discretion of the director.

If they were options, then the director can control when he exercises the option and choose when and how many shares to acquire during the option period, usually in tranches for tax planning purposes. Options again vest at 3 or 5 years after they are granted and remain exerciseable for a period of years, typically 7 years, so the awards expire on the 10th anniversary of the date of grant.

Nil-cost awards are those where the director does not pay anything for the shares, but pays taxes on their value when they vest.

Typically, awards are made to a whole bunch of directors and senior managers on the same date, so consquently there are multiple vestings on the same dates several years later.
 
Gooddeeds said:
-Kitty, did anyone answer this? I love the one line question post, especially in the late evening��
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We cant figure that out ! FIrst version was he he went up there because of smoke alarm detection.

Then there was inspecting an door open

Then it was he screwed the door shut

then is was he was drilling to shut door

then it was like maybe the window have a broken window sensor ( something like that )


then the latest was he did not finish his drilling .

then he said he did not complete the drilling

so it could be smoke, open, closed.

For me open and closed are exact opposite!

I can be crazy but I have never been confused if something is open or if it is closed . !!
 
MelmothTheLost said:
OK, I've just had a cursory look through a number of the SEC filings relating to these disposals and it doesn't actually look hinky.

It's not just Murren who has been disposing of shares in recent months as other directors have as well, with several transactions on the same dates.

Take a look at this example:

http://app.quotemedia.com/data/down...International&formType=4&dateFiled=2017-10-10

Look at column 4 in Table 1.

What I think we are seeing is automatic vesting of previous share awards (note the A for Acquired in the middle column) and the subsequent disposal of a proportion of the acquired shares. This is typically because when nil-cost share awards vest, various taxes are immediately payable and it's very common for directors to sell sufficient shares to pay the resulting taxes (D for Disposal). They then keep the remaining shares.

The thing is that awards that are not options, such as nil-cost awards) must vest (or not) on a certain date, which is typically 3 or 5 years after the awards are made, so the timing of vesting and the resulting share disposals is not at the discretion of the director.

If they were options, then the director can control when he exercises the option and choose when and how many shares to acquire during the option period, usually in tranches for tax planning purposes. Options again vest at 3 or 5 years after they are granted and remain exerciseable for a period of years, typically 7 years, so the awards expire on the 10th anniversary of the date of grant.

Nil-cost awards are those where the director does not pay anything for the shares, but pays taxes on their value when they vest.

Typically, awards are made to a whole bunch of directors and senior managers on the same date, so consquently there are multiple vestings on the same dates several years later.
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Just not fair can you translate that -- !
 
Gooddeeds said:
-Makes no sense. It should have been booby-trapped...
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It is concerning --what do people do when they break in the remove something or place something ---but is has been wildly reported that his house ( always) had pretty much of nothing in it !!
 
vmmking said:
Same here. I cannot figure it out on tapatalk.

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Highlight post then click the 3 dots in upper right corner
"REPORT" is an option.
Click that and send.
HTH
moo

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CARIIS said:
It is concerning --what do people do when they break in the remove something or place something ---but is has been wildly reported that his house ( always) had pretty much of nothing in it !!
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-An earlier poster mentioned ‘in the walls or woodwork”. A clever idea.
I suppose ‘sheetrock’? Who would know where Eric’s brother hides things...money and stuff...?
 
possumheart said:
Machine gun from up high and a love of flying makes me think it was a 'boys own' WWI fantasy acted out, adjacent to an airport and with cannon fodder below, which I have already stated. I wonder if he played video games at home, as well as pokies at casinos? MOO
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Actually kind of bizarre -- if ya think about the guy who shot high up from the tower years ago was found to have a brain tumor

IIFC there was also lots of issues between the father and that shooter

Eric is different to say the least ! So there could be some bizarre connection in his thought possible that might , for him make some bizarre connections - resulting in his blurting out he wants to know if his brother had a tumor

it would make sense if he was a brain surgeon - but .................................s

we still have no clue what he did before he got involved with his brothers stuff do we>>

possibly lived with mom all the time??
 
-I can’t find anything about what he did before he retired from Cash Flow. I haven’t found really anything period! Wife-kids? What does he do in his spare time?
 
jjenny said:
His lack of training din't prevent him from committing worst mass shooting by a single person in US history.
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Being left handed. I know?
So what!?
It could have been why he stopped shooting in less than 15 min.
Especially if he was a lefty using a rifle designed for a right handed person.
How many minutes of this could a person stand?


HOT [emoji91] cartridges in the face!

* see picture/ video

Can you imagine?
If he didn't have the proper training or a left handed rifle.
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/M4uHJAe

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I did not hear this version of the call . Mine was cut off after the maint guy instantly called down there and told them shooter on the 32
floor

this is a second or so longer and this one the security dept confirms back instantly a confirmation that it is on floor 32,

he gave security a instant directive

call.police.
 
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