NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #6

[Deleted member 158085]

-someone mentioned in connection to this thread that JC has been investigated by FBI? I haven’t seen that, is there a link? I don’t care to make any assumptions on whether he is or isn’t a victim, especially if that hasn’t been officially confirmed.

-It just so happens that there is more peculiar activity surrounding him versus anyone else at this point so it is a natural curiosity. Eric in my opinion is the 2nd in regards to peculiar behavior but as far as we know he wasn’t in the hallway outside of his brothers room that night or the first engaged contact. That is a significant point, victim or not.

-From observation JCs collective activities are mysterious. The M-I-A has accelerated the mystery.

According to WS rules if he hasn't been designated as a suspect or POI then, since he was shot by the suspect, he is still considered a victim. I'm not sure how you expect LE to "officially confirm" that he's a victim any more than they already have. They have stated that he is a hero and saved lives. Although the timeline has changed some, they have not officially changed their view of him as being one of the victims.

I've seen no link about him being investigated by the FBI, unless I've missed that.

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[enelram]

We have not discussed why we think the top two players in the billion dollar business of MGM started dumping their stocks around three months ago??

Stock was stable -- they just did a thing that makes the stocks stronger and then these two start dumping all their stocks?

what can some reasons for this be?

Insider Information?? Planned/scheduled sell off? SEC is probably asking the same question. Hope they have a great explanation.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

The statements from LE saying SP's BODY and BRAIN are going to Stanford for further studying has me concerned about a couple details.
Why would they ship whole body and not just organs and brain?
Has anyone seen when the body was removed from hotel and taken to ME?

I've been reading articles on post mortem exams of brain and how they determine certain pathologies. the articles
continually stress the importance of proper preservation of body (and brain), how long after death body was fixated,
proper methods of fixation, chemicals to use or not use, etc. Failure to properly handle/preserve the body/brain
limits the accuracy as well as the outcome of many post mortem exams. In other words, it can easily be messed
up if body/brain are not properly handled and stored.

My concern is, in many murder investigations we've all seen bodies being left where killed for hours and hours after
the crime/death. Not to mention how long the body/brain was at LV ME office before being sent to Stanford.
so, not to be a pessimist but I have genuine concern that SP's brain tissue would still be viable for intricate cellular
study. My understanding is that brain tissue is highly degradeable if not properly handled and considering the
other problems we've seen with this investigation, I'm concerned. Hope I'm wrong.

The reason they would ship the entire body is because they may find something suspicious with the brain but only be able to confirm a diagnosis by looking at other parts of the body. Plus, I would assume part of the brain was destroyed, but there are other ways to find diseases that effect the brain in other parts of the body.

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[Deleted member 158085]

Anyone heard anything about him ?

I wish they could explain the car being out wt the same time his room key opened his door

that is just mundane stuff -- they have it at the airport here! It takes pic of your license plate in or out !

Surprise ! several years ago I lost my car and they took me right to it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The key card things are the same thing. Just a computer recording stuff- so the likelihood of human error ( like the hotel is claiming with the timeline).

Its computers -- they don't like think!
They do what they programmed to do.

So it might be , pretty confidently say his room key opened his door while his car was out driving -------what else can that mean??

Somebody else mentioned before that they were lost by the car and key card reference. So am I. Not sure what you are talking about. Can you explain?

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[CARIIS]

Somebody else mentioned before that they were lost by the car and key card reference. So am I. Not sure what you are talking about. Can you explain?

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I can and shall !!

Linked in first thread

the parking lot associated with hotel moniors in and out of cars. His car was driven out I dont remember the time - but it was like at 1102 then at like 1106 the computer recorded his key to his room making entry.

the card keys record every enter or exist .

That what the lady reporter was trying to ask to ask him about in the presser when he talked over her and shut her up and went on to a next question and never went back to her for the question

He was quite agitated with question - and has never mentioned it again .

They then started picking who they would let into their pressers.

Up to that point that was the most out of control and overtly rude I had seen him.

He did not want that bought up .

and apparently still does not/

Unless cars drive on their own and key cards float around hotel hallways ! the only reasonable conclusion (conclusion not consp) is

a - he gave his room key to another person for some reason

or

b he gave his car keys to another person


my logic here is most would not give either ones room key to a total stranger or ones car keys to a mysterious stranger.

So logically not in the conspir angle I am forced to conclude that he knew whoever he gave his room key to or whoever he gave his car keys to

they are both separate systems parking garage and key pass activity so they are not gonna be able to pull the human error ( in this day and age with a 3000 room property ) that some clerk like in the 60's is sitting there writing with pens in a giant log book .

Does not fly imo

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Like I said, you'd know by their pictures and videos.

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Aside from the fact that many photos and other details are not always public, this simply isn't true (that you would KNOW) based on that, or people would not continually be running scams through social media. And they are. And prosecutions have happened for this.

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[Spice]

Why would he need guarding? Look at the people here who, with no evidence whatsoever, are saying that he was involved in the shooting.

Yes. Yes. And YES! Thank you.

 

[bbbd4u]

We have not discussed why we think the top two players in the billion dollar business of MGM started dumping their stocks around three months ago??

Stock was stable -- they just did a thing that makes the stocks stronger and then these two start dumping all their stocks?

what can some reasons for this be?

I believe they knew the stock was undervalued so they go out while the getting was good. Big stock holders fully understand market trends further than what an average person can. However it wasn't until Sept 5th when MGM offered a buyback.

MGM Resorts International announced that its Board of Directors has authorized a share buyback plan on Tuesday, September 5th that permits the company to repurchase $1.00 billion in shares. This repurchase authorization permits the company to purchase up to 5.3% of its stock through open market purchases. Stock repurchase plans are generally a sign that the company’s management believes its shares are undervalued. https://ledgergazette.com/2017/09/2...-mgm-insider-sells-49179-shares-of-stock.html

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[enelram]

I believe they knew the stock was undervalued so they go out while the getting was good. Big stock holders fully understand market trends further than what an average person can. However it wasn't until Sept 5th when MGM offered a buyback.



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They would only sell when the stock was at par value or overvalued, or it was a planned sell-off or they had insider information on something happening in the future to devalue the stock.

 

[bears10]

They would only sell when the stock was at par value or overvalued, or it was a planned sell-off or they had insider information on something happening in the future to devalue the stock.

The stock stuff has been going on for years. It was nothing shady. It was discussed in the previous thread. Im going to try to find the posts.

 

[CARIIS]

The reason they would ship the entire body is because they may find something suspicious with the brain but only be able to confirm a diagnosis by looking at other parts of the body. Plus, I would assume part of the brain was destroyed, but there are other ways to find diseases that effect the brain in other parts of the body.

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What was interesting to me on this angle days earlier he declared that the brain was fine.

The he changed the tune ( FBI directed him to stay the script like he did on the last one moo) and really made it clear that his
earlier statement was based on a very superficial glance at the guys brain.

He proceeded to make sure that everyone knew that a real exam was now being undertaken

watch they will come back with something related to impulse control or violence

like I have said we will see

 

[bears10]

Does anyone know how to do a search in a specific thread on the mobile site or tapatalk? I can only do a general search which brings me to the thread but not the specific posts. Meaning I’d still have to comb thru 100+ pages

 

[Deleted member 158085]

What was interesting to me on this angle days earlier he declared that the brain was fine.

The he changed the tune ( FBI directed him to stay the script like he did on the last one moo) and really made it clear that his
earlier statement was based on a very superficial glance at the guys brain.

He proceeded to make sure that everyone knew that a real exam was now being undertaken

watch they will come back with something related to impulse control or violence

like I have said we will see

I don't recall a change at all. From what I recall, in the same sentence that he said the brain appeared to be fine he also said it would undergo further testing. This was the first time he commented on it. There was a long discussion in here about it.

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[Deleted member 158085]

Does anyone know how to do a search in a specific thread on the mobile site or tapatalk? I can only do a general search which brings me to the thread but not the specific posts. Meaning I’d still have to comb thru 100+ pages

I just messaged you some info on where to find it.

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[CARIIS]

Insider Information?? Planned/scheduled sell off? SEC is probably asking the same question. Hope they have a great explanation.

Since this stunning and shocking revelation
I have, in baby terms ! learned more

basically they had just done a thing where in the business of stocks what they did is proven to make stocks go back up .

So when he started selling off millions and millions in the industry that means someone knows something ahead of time .

The way he did it was to say in Oct i promise to buy em at XX

Which is great if you somehow know something is going to turn the stock around suddenly and make it start going in the opposite direction it had been - which is why it stunned so may people .

Then the CEo started doing the same thing

Again not conspiracy theory but certainly worth a ponder or three - would the possibility just a possibility that it would be reasonable to anticipate a stock . on a hotel that was on OCt 1 -- might just might lead to a reduction in reservations .

This is pure speculation -- but in the greedy world we live in a possibility.

It becomes even more astounding to learn that the other player in this amazing part of this story is that the infamous fraudster George Sores ( I think he was one of the big players that turned the world around during the depression in 07)

He is wildly known to be a crook, rich, plays dirty and is not a boy scout when it comes to effing people with money!

So if we take 1+1+1 we come up with three !

Resulting in a profit of millions and millions and millions

this is pure speculation ; however considering the player involved it does not seem like a conspiracy but a plausible explanation of why the two would destroy their hotel starting in Oct

just a notion

 

[kittythehare]

We have not discussed why we think the top two players in the billion dollar business of MGM started dumping their stocks around three months ago??

Stock was stable -- they just did a thing that makes the stocks stronger and then these two start dumping all their stocks?

what can some reasons for this be?

WE did. Somebody with an accountant type mind explained it was something to do with..(I didnt take the explanation in cos maths) a way of avoiding some kind of surcharge tax or something like that.. wild, disregard, but we did discuss it and the answer was plausible..

 

[canadiangirl]

I’ve posted this in just about every other thread. I’m not sure if you have me on ignore or something but hopefully you see it this time around

Copy and pasting one of posts from a now closed thread. I would not be surprised if there is not surveillance footage from the hotel hallways.

Las Vegas casinos — some of the most closely watched spaces in the world — don’t have video cameras in guest room hallways, an absence that hotel workers like Patrick, patrons and prosecutors say can act as a green light for crime.

Casino bosses say there is no need for extra security: America’s playground boasts more cameras per square foot than any airport or sports arena in the country, with thousands of high-tech lenses watching the gambling floors, lobbies and elevators.

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Yet The Associated Press found that 23 of the 27 major Strip casinos have no surveillance in hotel hallways or elevator landings. All but four of the 27 hotels are owned by MGM Resorts International, Caesars Entertainment Corp., Las Vegas Sands Corp. or Wynn Resorts Ltd.


http://www.mercurynews.com/2013/10/1...-surveillance/

That's from an incident in 2013 when a maid was attacked in the hallway. I don't think surveillance in the hotel hallways is nearly as important to the hotels as it is in the casinos. They care about protecting their money and making sure things are running smooth on the casino floor. They probably don't care too much what goes on in the hallways of the hotel. Well maybe now they do, but I don't think it was that much of a concern before this. JMO

The below link has some pics of the inside of a Vegas surveillance room. I only skimmed the article bc it's long, but it's interesting.

https://www.theverge.com/2013/1/14/3...ing-technology




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Thanks!! No I don't have you on ignore. I saw it this time, thanks for taking the time to repost it!

So it's safe to say from this article only MGM properties don't have surveillance on the hotel floors.
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[kittythehare]

Somebody else mentioned before that they were lost by the car and key card reference. So am I. Not sure what you are talking about. Can you explain?

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I can and shall !!

Linked in first thread

the parking lot associated with hotel moniors in and out of cars. His car was driven out I dont remember the time - but it was like at 1102 then at like 1106 the computer recorded his key to his room making entry.

the card keys record every enter or exist .

That what the lady reporter was trying to ask to ask him about in the presser when he talked over her and shut her up and went on to a next question and never went back to her for the question

He was quite agitated with question - and has never mentioned it again .

They then started picking who they would let into their pressers.

Up to that point that was the most out of control and overtly rude I had seen him.

He did not want that bought up .

and apparently still does not/

Unless cars drive on their own and key cards float around hotel hallways ! the only reasonable conclusion (conclusion not consp) is

a - he gave his room key to another person for some reason

or

b he gave his car keys to another person


my logic here is most would not give either ones room key to a total stranger or ones car keys to a mysterious stranger.

So logically not in the conspir angle I am forced to conclude that he knew whoever he gave his room key to or whoever he gave his car keys to

they are both separate systems parking garage and key pass activity so they are not gonna be able to pull the human error ( in this day and age with a 3000 room property ) that some clerk like in the 60's is sitting there writing with pens in a giant log book .

Does not fly imo

are you referring to paddock's car or jC car?
11.02 he was dead..? was he? or not?
gmt time here..
I still dont get it..
Are we talking about the day of the murder? The night of the murder?
Sorry for missing the point here.

 

[CARIIS]

They started dumping a quarter of a year ago -- in july go to the stock exchange stuff on the CEo .

the dumped a little in July a dash more aug and a really big amount about 3 weeks ago.

just interesting behavior when there stock was doing A OK

We still remain unclear as to why it took A maintenance man who had been on the scene and the second best eyewitness to be revealed like a week after or longer.

It cant be like noone knew the maint man was on scene that night --there is audio the night he called down and clealy told them that a person was on 32 floor shooting off a high power rifle at the end of the hallway.

In this kind of situation I cannot locate any better info as the where this was happening when the caller had bullets swirling by his tushie !

That would be a reasonable clue that he knew exactly where what was happening was happening .

If the call was something like it sounds like it is above or below that might LE think they have to figure out where this happening .

In Light of the fact that when they finally made it there at the elevator they found a shot person on that floor.

This is not a conspiracy theory -- it just makes sense imo

 

[canadiangirl]

So we should just disregard what the victims are saying? Like shouldn't even consider it?

People get sent to prison for life based solely on eye witness reports.

What about forensic acoustics? Is that cold hard enough evidence for you?

There is a crap load of evidence pointing towards multiple shooters. The only "evidence" pointing to a lone mad man is that is what the "authorities" are telling us. I'm sticking with what the facts are telling me, not what a scared sheriff is telling me. I'm sorry if that somehow offends people but I am stickler for the truth.

I agree with you FWIW.
The people THERE who saw, lived and some of them posted about during and after what they saw is evidence for me. Because MSM didn't interview them means nothing to me. There's enough of it out there. I don't consider it fake when I hear accounts and people are visibily upset, there's proof they were there. In the moment. I wasn't.

With the knowledge now Sherriff is up for election it puts a huge slant on things.. JMO

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