NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #6

[Deleted member 158085]

The cost of individual dome cameras are not a whole lot. $200 each? Approx

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The cost comes in when monitoring 500+ more, not in purchasing them.

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ETA "cost"

 

[canadiangirl]

Here is something that would lead me to believe MBay has video surveillance in the hallways (at least in 2008):

"Surveillance footage shows that she and Gonzalez shared an elevator; both exited on the eighth floor. Anderson entered her room, shut the door behind her, and went to sleep."

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/nv-supreme-court/1715975.html

Great sleuthing!

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[MistyWaters]

We have not discussed why we think the top two players in the billion dollar business of MGM started dumping their stocks around three months ago??

Stock was stable -- they just did a thing that makes the stocks stronger and then these two start dumping all their stocks?

what can some reasons for this be?

Yes somebody here did the research many days ago, noticed similarities with other execs and indicated they were stock awards that matured and probably redeemed to pay the tax bill. Normal in the world of executive bonuses and incentives. If that poster is here they can explain it better than me but the explanation was reasonable. Makes no sense what two key players knew in advance a catastrophic event was going to occur within their premises and then do nothing to stop it.

CARIIS you've mentioned a car afew times - what car are you talking about???

 

[canadiangirl]

Meh. Get aa judge and get a subpeona. Make the hotel and LE hand over all evidence and have it reviewed by an independent expert panel with one or two citizen reviewers. Have everyone testify under oath. Make results public.

The perp is dead, no trial is necessary at this point. Victims have already filed lawsuits, so all of this will come out in the discovery process.

Investigation into Paddock's past life and associations, activities is ongoing and will take a while. IMO, it will be interesting to learn more about his activities and what may have led up to his psych problems, paranoia and how he was able to stockpile so many weapons, explosives and ammunition without being stopped. Our greatest hope to prevent this kind of thing is to have those hard discussions about what we need to do to keep this stuff out of the hands of dangerous people.

Meh??? IMO I don't see MB "uninstalling" cameras.

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[CARIIS]

Stephen Paddock sued Las Vegas casino in 2011 after fall

Surveillance video from 2011 from inside the Cosmopolitan Hotel of Las Vegas shows the Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock slipping on a puddle of liquid. Paddock sued the hotel but lost the lawsuit.
https://globalnews.ca/video/3782186/stephen-pollock-sued-las-vegas-casino-in-2011-after-fall

Would be really neat if we can find the entire

Maybe posted before, I forget, but if not this video is interesting. It's reported elsewhere that SP lost the suit because the video surveillance revealed other people walking through the wet area but not falling.

It's rather weird, looks like he did the splits, must've had weak leg muscles after all those hours day after day sitting in the casino. Or maybe he faked the fall, who knows.

Would be really neat if we can find the entire 79 page depo -- the tid bits were really insightful into him

I have tried but have not been good at it .

I think it would be public record

 

[CARIIS]

His host glass? Holding a drink while shooting himself??

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sorry about that his shot glass in the pic where he looks blasted.

 

[CARIIS]

The stock stuff has been going on for years. It was nothing shady. It was discussed in the previous thread. Im going to try to find the posts.

The George Soros angle shook it up imo !!

 

[CARIIS]

They would only sell when the stock was at par value or overvalued, or it was a planned sell-off or they had insider information on something happening in the future to devalue the stock.

Yes, you said it much better than I !!

And with the holdays coming up it seems like buss might have been good!

It is also interesting that it seems ( dont know this ) that the buy back stuff was this month

and the selloff was like 3x as the first two

 

[CARIIS]

Unless he is named as a suspect or POI, he is considered a victim.

I thought it was later established that he was staying in a hotel in the city. But even if he wasn't, "out of town" could be and probably was very nearby, perhaps with family or a friend. I wouldn't go home alone after such an experience, either, especially if I had been shot.

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I might not be recalling this correctly but my sense was that LE was not sure where he was , again. like for a couple of days

 

[CARIIS]

That's fair. Because LE has already stated there's no evidence of a second shooter. So in that they have no evidence of a second shooter, then the logical conclusion is there's no other person involved. That would also suggest evidence eventually released to the public reveals no indication of a second shooter.

With no evidence to support a second shooter, the presence of a second shooter cannot be proven. Full circle.

On the other hand what "evidence| has he provided as to how he instantly came up with sole actor??

If he has been saying we are currently exploring those avenues and have made no determination/

IMO that is appropriate. He is playing it both ways -- this is a very complicate investigation while at the same time declaring what in fact is the most important question of the entire tragedy-

and from the get go-- moo he just did not dazzle with his intelligence moo

From the very beginning he just gave me odd vibes -- but when I learned about the stuff guys under his command were being investigated for ( one plead guilty IIRC) he just isnt exactly a sharp leader .........

 

[bears10]

Okay regarding the not shady stock stuff... this is a post from the last thread courtesy of vmmking

59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 October 2017 #5

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?sh...m/forums/showpost.php?p=13686116&share_type=t


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[CARIIS]

Someone else pointed out earlier that many left handers shoot with their right hand due to eye dominance. It's not as simple to say that a left hander would shoot with left hand. (Plus, as I pointed out the first time you brought this up, I realized as I was reading what you wrote I had a cigarette and my glass in my left hand even though I am right handed and not ambidextrous.)

More information on hand vs eye dominance in shooting here:

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/cross-dominant-shooter/

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good point!! TY

 

[CARIIS]

NO of course i don't expect that.

However, what i do expect is in the coming months for them to release video proof of the alleged narrative. Video of Paddock bring numerous large suitcases to his room... and if it can be proven they actually do have cameras, well then i want to see what they show. I am just setting up the questions. The evidence can come later.

But we are already confused if there are cameras on guest floors-- if we throw in his running about the hotel with access to places for staff --- if they don't have cameras for guests I am not sure they would not in staff areas .. moo

 

[MistyWaters]

But we are already confused if there are cameras on guest floors-- if we throw in his running about the hotel with access to places for staff --- if they don't have cameras for guests I am not sure they would not in staff areas .. moo

How was he "running about the hotel with access to places for staff"? Awhile back it appeared a misunderstanding over club cards that then morphed into his girlfriend worked there and he had an employee ID card. Is that what you're referring to? If so, it's not based on any known facts.

 

[CARIIS]

Initially sheriff said they were investigating who went into SP's room, used a key card, while surveillance showed his car
gone from his parking space. Sheriff quickly buried that thought in the next pc and said they'd figured it out. The end.

That is same thing with the lone shooter stuff explain how you are doing rule outs -- he is dead - its not like its gonna impact a trial for him

imo its working -- stalling on all sorts of info

the story will gone by next week especially if he skips doing his job and does not hold a presser that allows media in and provides something that indicates someone is making some progress on something.

Unless money is under the table net worth is easily determined

casinos keep records of financials -- he is dead casino does not need to worry about his privacy.

typically authentic millionaires - who supposedly are heavily invested in taking care of family leave a will.

His net worth is important - especially since both he and our Eric -- have prounouned great wealth.

As far as has been revealed his real estate stuff stopped years ago,

He is supporting 8 people -- what I am saying is since he claims his employ is casinos and casinos keep records and we find that there large deposits while his winnings did not correlate then one has to wonder what his source of income is

Purely speculation might it just be arms sales ? Purely speculation but certainly not a conspiracy theory -- they found 44 guns, tons of ammunition, and things terrorists have used for bombs in the past.

money in money out = truth

follow the money it will , most of the time lead one somewhere .......

Now another possibility not a conspiracy theory- just speculation - but within the realm of possibilities is a sting operation of some sort .

Cameras of sting operation are put all over the place of the sting. We all have seen films and documentaries on big stings.

Tons of guns bombs and ammo and if we combine that with the possibility of doing sting like work -- then we have someone trained .

Which might help explain such machine gun knowledge -- just possibilities considering
the data we have.

Tricia had a guest on her pod cast the other night that went into great detail on this gem of the story

Guess where its headquarters are ---

are you holding on

ding

McCarran International Airport

McCarran International Airport

 

[CARIIS]

Is everyone holding on very tight ??


Tricia had a guest on her podcast the other night that went into great detail on this .


Deep breath



Is everyone buckled in ?


Guess where this headquartered


McCarran International Airport, Las Vegas, Nevada



you ready


one more deep breath



bing





Everyone still in there seats ??

Tricia does not want anyone falling out of their seats !!


Before the big reveal --- it is vital WE go down memory lane!

On the dispatch tapes -- there is discussion of three large black sedans


racing for

McCarran International Airport, Las Vegas, Nevada




bing bing bing bing bing !









here we go







ready



ding ding ding

200 feet away from the hotel ............

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_(airline)

Check it out further really scary stuff -- there is amazing stuff on TY -- I am an aviation buff so it might be more interesting to me!!

Gambler 200 feet away from headquarters ......................

with machine guns and bombs.........

and a scary FBI dude on him like a parakeet on ones shoulder ..........

 

[Cryptic]

I know nothing about guns but I would think electronic equipment tool cases tons of ammunition machine guns would be heavy to schlep up to the 32 floor.

The weight of the guns can be described vaguely as "more than a little, but less than a lot".

Modern tactical type guns have an awful lot of polymer parts and are designed to be light. This includes both rifles and handguns. Most of the ammunition would have also been relatively light as well.

In short, SP could have brought the weapons in say, 5-7 at a time in suitcases (probably in boxes, then in a large suitcase so the outlines would not show) on a wheeled luggage cart without any bellhop being suspicious about the weight. Rather, he would probably just conclude that SP was an exhibitor at a trade show and had say, product samples and collapsible banners.

 

[MistyWaters]

On the other hand what "evidence| has he provided as to how he instantly came up with sole actor??

If he has been saying we are currently exploring those avenues and have made no determination/

IMO that is appropriate. He is playing it both ways -- this is a very complicate investigation while at the same time declaring what in fact is the most important question of the entire tragedy-

and from the get go-- moo he just did not dazzle with his intelligence moo

From the very beginning he just gave me odd vibes -- but when I learned about the stuff guys under his command were being investigated for ( one plead guilty IIRC) he just isnt exactly a sharp leader .........

What evidence is there that he came up with a sole actor? Have you contacted the sheriffs dept and asked because no evidence has been released to the public yet.

My take on it is we're but observers outside awaiting more information. It's impossible to pass judgement on what we don't know and anyway who cares?

It's the victims, survivors, their families, emergency personnel and all others directly impacted by this tragedy who matter most because they were there.

 

[kittythehare]

The weight of the guns could be described vaguely as "more than a little, but less than a lot".

Modern tactical type guns have an awful lot of polymer parts and are designed to be light. This includes both rifles and handguns. Most of the ammunition would have also been relatively light as well.

In short, SP could have brought the weapons in say, 5-7 at a time in suitcases (probably in boxes, then in a large suitcase so the outlines would not show) on a wheeled luggage cart without any bellhop being suspicious about the weight. Rather, he would probably just conclude that SP was an exhibitor at a trade show and had say, product samples and collapsible banners.

That was before it became public that he had already been staying in hotel in a comp room from 25th.. and I saw a report stating he had made several trips back and forth.. I think to his home , during the course of his visit.
I also rationalised that the guns ad hardware could have been made small, folded up etc and would not have required big cases.. I dont know if thats correct..
Which would mean there would have been several small entrances to hotel with small bags as opposed to huge cases?

 

[canadiangirl]

NO of course i don't expect that.

However, what i do expect is in the coming months for them to release video proof of the alleged narrative. Video of Paddock bring numerous large suitcases to his room... and if it can be proven they actually do have cameras, well then i want to see what they show. I am just setting up the questions. The evidence can come later.

And there should be video. At least in main entry ways, elevators?

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