NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #8

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vmmking said:
I honestly can't see this happening. I'm not saying I wouldn't support it, but it's the American west.

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Yes it would be nice if it could happen. Aside from screening guests for weapons, I'm not sure what more MGM could have done. The short period of time in which Paddock killed everyone, there wasn't enough time to get SWAT up there to stop him. They did seem to bumble things and it took LE far too long to get up to his room, but in the end it wouldn't have made any difference.
 
If I was jC, I would be thankful that I got a good place to stay away from all of the people saying horrid things about him and thinking he now owes the public anything.

He did not choose his role as a witness or hero. I am sure he simply wants to live his own life minding his own business
 
If I was jC, I would be thankful that I got a goid place to stay away from all of the people saying horrid things about him and thinking he now owed the public anything.

He did not choose his role as a witness or hero. I am sure he simply wants to live his own life minding his own business
 
Betty P said:
Agree, MGM may face some legal consequences for allowing guests to check in with so many weapons. But Paddock is the one who killed the people at the concert, no one else.

Maybe MGM will begin a trend to keep LV hotels "gun free". Sounds like a good idea. Have detectors at the entrance doors and allow people to check their guns and put them in storage while they're inside the hotel and casino.
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I agree. Whatever procedures that might be implemented as a result of this tragedy will impact hotel guests and tourism in major centres everywhere, not only in LV, much the same as airline security procedures. LV is not going to cease to exist just because a deranged gunman chose it, any sooner than churches will disappear because of the Texas shooting.

Even by the very remote chance that lawsuits were to bankrupt any single entity, life goes on but real estate including hotels do not simply vanish. While gambling isn't my thing, there's much more to LV than casinos including the main source of employment for the city.

These lawsuits will take years and years to resolve, such as Sandy Hook and until they see their day in court the outcome is purely speculative.

Therefore what "could well be the beginning of the end for LV" is to suggest, I have no idea.
 
vmmking said:
So far in this thread, many seem interested in seeing MGM pay, but clearly others had a part in creating the situation.

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Sometimes it's as if MGM has morphed into becoming a living, breathing thing. I have to remind myself it's only a publicly traded company, not capable of feelings.
 
vmmking said:
This is very cool. They created a Facebook page for Las Vegas victims to find their heroes, the folks who helped save their lives.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wr...rching-for-their-heroes/17101631/?version=amp

"As soon as Chris Gilman knew she would survive the gunshot wound she sustained in the Las Vegas massacre, she wanted to find the two strangers who saved her life — a man and woman whose names she didn't even know.

She found a Facebook page called "Find My LV Hero" and posted a plea."

Three days later, she connected with her rescuers.

I have a love/hate relationship with Facebook. This is one of the reasons I am sometimes grateful for it.

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Oh I forgot to tell y'all.... I read the account of a woman pictured in one of the more circulated photos from that night on the LA Times website. In the picture, she is sitting on a curb by herself and she was wearing a muddy white dress with cowboy boots. An ambulance can be seen off in the distance and she had a thousand yard stare kind of look on her face.

So, anyway, I read this article about how she helped a man who had been separated from his family and had been shot in the back. He was losing a lot of blood, so she got a handkerchief from someone nearby and plugged his wound with it. She also rounded up help to get him into a cart of some kind and wheeled him over to the curb while dodging gunfire. She kept asking him questions to keep him awake and, eventually, his family showed up and was able to get him in an ambulance. She wasn't able to catch his name that night and couldn't sleep from worrying about whether he'd made it or not. She said she tried calling local hospitals and described his appearance and wound but couldn't locate him. So then she tried to find him on a website set up to help families locate their loved ones. She scrutinized every picture she could find to see if she recognized him. Yada, yada, yada. I can't remember how she said she finally found him but said they reunited weeks later and only then did she find peace.

So, I read this whole long article about how she helped save this man's life, but then... I noticed a tiny update that had been added and posted off to the side of the main article that essentially said they'd been contacted by the victim's family and her story was not accurate. It said the woman was in the general area at the same time but his father had been the one who administered aid.
I MEAN... WTF IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?
 
cujenn81 said:
Oh I forgot to tell y'all.... I read the account of a woman pictured in one of the more circulated photos from that night on the LA Times website. In the picture, she is sitting on a curb by herself and she was wearing a muddy white dress with cowboy boots. An ambulance can be seen off in the distance and she had a thousand yard stare kind of look on her face.

So, anyway, I read this article about how she helped a man who had been separated from his family and had been shot in the back. He was losing a lot of blood, so she got a handkerchief from someone nearby and plugged his wound with it. She also rounded up help to get him into a cart of some kind and wheeled him over to the curb while dodging gunfire. She kept asking him questions to keep him awake and, eventually, his family showed up and was able to get him in an ambulance. She wasn't able to catch his name that night and couldn't sleep from worrying about whether he'd made it or not. She said she tried calling local hospitals and described his appearance and wound but couldn't locate him. So then she tried to find him on a website set up to help families locate their loved ones. She scrutinized every picture she could find to see if she recognized him. Yada, yada, yada. I can't remember how she said she finally found him but said they reunited weeks later and only then did she find peace.

So, I read this whole long article about how she helped save this man's life, but then... I noticed a tiny update that had been added and posted off to the side of the main article that essentially said they'd been contacted by the victim's family and her story was not accurate. It said the woman was in the general area at the same time but his father had been the one who administered aid.
I MEAN... WTF IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?
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http://beta.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-reunion-20171101-story.html
 
kittythehare said:
I have not studied the civil cases and am hoping to avoid that.. but I did see something about inferior glass on one.. I cannot remember which case or what the exact context was..?
the civil cases alone are gonna be massive..I do not know whether this thread will sustain them or will it be a separate thread entirely?


I am so so so hoping the fBI will tear that place asunder.. if they're good, they wont hold back.. could well be the beginning of the end for LV..
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I hope not! Las Vegas has a population of 600+K. 200k Americans work for casinos. They just got an NHL team and are about to get an NFL team. And look what the city does for veterans. "The end for Las Vegas" would be a terrible thing. I hope the city comes back from this stronger than ever. I expect it to.
 
bluesneakers said:
I hope not! Las Vegas has a population of 600+K. 200k Americans work for casinos. They just got an NHL team and are about to get an NFL team. And look what the city does for veterans. "The end for Las Vegas" would be a terrible thing. I hope the city comes back from this stronger than ever. I expect it to.
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It simply cannot.
The insurance premiums alone will be off the Richter scale.
Security will need to be top notch at top notch costs.
Everything will be looked at.
All the accounts.. all the 'loose' dealings.. all the deals that possibly should incur taxes..
How can any place ever be the same following a mass murder ?
Feds are not gonna just look at Paddock's accounts. They will look at aLL accounts.. they may well bring charges against the hotel ..
They may well have recommendations for why LV as it is is unsustainable..from any single or multiple aspects.
As Betty said, they may well need to change their gun policy.
Their insurance policies
Their safety procedures
Their emergency response procedures.

They will tear everything apart in search for answers, Paddock is dead, there will not be a trial, but they may well find very many anomalies.
That will have a knock-on effect on insurance payouts..
As far as the city coming back, its well back, but it came back too soon...without a period of mourning, without enough of an acknowledgement of what just happened.IMO.
Having said all that and having watched #GrenfellTower burn to the ground and having watched it with my own eyes all night long, I managed to convince myself that there weren't really bodies dropping from the higher floors because of course the building was entirely unoccupied..
#CognitiveDissonance.

Grenfell should have changed the face of public housing in the UK forever and rapidly and those who were responsible for the decisions to place flammable material on that building held to account.
It changed nothing..
Thats not good.
 
cujenn81 said:
Oh I forgot to tell y'all.... I read the account of a woman pictured in one of the more circulated photos from that night on the LA Times website. In the picture, she is sitting on a curb by herself and she was wearing a muddy white dress with cowboy boots. An ambulance can be seen off in the distance and she had a thousand yard stare kind of look on her face.

So, anyway, I read this article about how she helped a man who had been separated from his family and had been shot in the back. He was losing a lot of blood, so she got a handkerchief from someone nearby and plugged his wound with it. She also rounded up help to get him into a cart of some kind and wheeled him over to the curb while dodging gunfire. She kept asking him questions to keep him awake and, eventually, his family showed up and was able to get him in an ambulance. She wasn't able to catch his name that night and couldn't sleep from worrying about whether he'd made it or not. She said she tried calling local hospitals and described his appearance and wound but couldn't locate him. So then she tried to find him on a website set up to help families locate their loved ones. She scrutinized every picture she could find to see if she recognized him. Yada, yada, yada. I can't remember how she said she finally found him but said they reunited weeks later and only then did she find peace.

So, I read this whole long article about how she helped save this man's life, but then... I noticed a tiny update that had been added and posted off to the side of the main article that essentially said they'd been contacted by the victim's family and her story was not accurate. It said the woman was in the general area at the same time but his father had been the one who administered aid.
I MEAN... WTF IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?
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Wow.

This is why we have to weigh victim accounts carefully, look at the picture they paint as a whole, and decide what's believable. You have people who crave the spotlight so badly that they will embellish without thought of consequences.

ETA - And this reminds me of so many flat out scams on Facebook. Some are money scams, but some people are seriously willing to lie their bums off Just for accolades. If a story going around SM is just a little too sappy or Lifetime movie - like, I maintain a bit of skepticism.
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cujenn81 said:
Yes!! That's it!
Why on earth did this journalist not fact check this story by contacting the victim and/or his family before publishing it and putting his name out there on the internet? [emoji33]
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Absolutely bizarre, I remember reading that link too, the woman in what's referred to as the "iconic photo" of the Las Vegas tragedy. She has spoken various times to the media, in her post-trauma mode, did she want there to be still more to the story so she just made it up? Considering the report is totally false, I wonder why LATimes isn't yanking it. And you're right, that the reporter didn't verify the story with the other victim is downright pathetic.

"Las Vegas shootings: In the Nov. 2 Section A, an article about a woman’s search for a gunshot victim she had encountered on the night of the Oct. 1 shootings contained several inaccuracies. After publication, the chief subject of the article, Sheri Sletten, told The Times that her account of reuniting with gunshot victim Matt Lewan after he was released from the hospital was false. That meeting did not occur. Also, Lewan’s family says that while Sletten was present on the night Lewan was shot, Lewan’s father and a family friend administered the most important lifesaving aid."
http://www.latimes.com/local/corrections/la-a4-correx-20171103-story.html
 
Fairy1 said:
http://beta.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-reunion-20171101-story.html
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Wow, wow, wow.

"After this story was posted, the chief subject of the article, Sheri Sletten, told the Times that her account of reuniting with gunshot victim Matt Lewan after he was released from the hospital was false. That meeting did not occur. Lewan’s family says that while Sletten was present on the night Lewan was shot, Lewan’s father and a family friend administered the most important lifesaving aid."

Makes me sad for humanity. I'd have been even more peeved if I had read that long, long sib story, shed a few tears about it, perhaps posted it on SM, and then read this.

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cujenn81 said:
Yes!! That's it!
Why on earth did this journalist not fact check this story by contacting the victim and/or his family before publishing it and putting his name out there on the internet? [emoji33]
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Same thing happened with the dying kid and Santa Claus story last Christmas. They did not fact check, it was picked up by multiple outlets, and then they had to come out and say they couldn't verify it.

We are so desperate for stories that make us feel good about humanity that we drink this stuff up. And a few of these journalists are probably should just write a book of short fiction stories instead. Or get a job at Lifetime movies.

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vmmking said:
Same thing happened with the dying kid and Santa Claus story last Christmas. They did not fact check, it was picked up by multiple outlets, and then they had to come out and say they couldn't verify it.

We are so desperate for stories that make us feel good about humanity that we drink this stuff up. And a few of these journalists are probably should just write a book of short fiction stories instead. Or get a job at Lifetime movies.

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There are plenty of good stories from the Las Vegas community. I wish they would have gone that route.
 
Fairy1 said:
It's in a small box at top right.
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Thx for your help.

Here is the 'clarification.'
" For the record

Nov 3, 2017 | 11:00 AM
After this story was posted, the chief subject of the article, Sheri Sletten, told the Times that her account of reuniting with gunshot victim Matt Lewan after he was released from the hospital was false. That meeting did not occur. Lewan’s family says that while Sletten was present on the night Lewan was shot, Lewan’s father and a family friend administered the most important lifesaving aid."

Interesting:
she did not admit to falsifying her claim re helping him that night, just said their meeting ~ mo. later did not happen.

So did latimes writer talk w her husband? Her co-worker? Or rely on her to provide the quotes (???) he used?
Ever talk w shooting-vic or family?
 
al66pine said:
Thx for your help.

Here is the 'clarification.'
" For the record

Nov 3, 2017 | 11:00 AM
After this story was posted, the chief subject of the article, Sheri Sletten, told the Times that her account of reuniting with gunshot victim Matt Lewan after he was released from the hospital was false. That meeting did not occur. Lewan’s family says that while Sletten was present on the night Lewan was shot, Lewan’s father and a family friend administered the most important lifesaving aid."

Interesting:
she did not admit to falsifying her claim re helping him that night, just said their meeting ~ mo. later did not happen.

So did latimes writer talk w her husband? Her co-worker? Or rely on her to provide the quotes (???) he used?
Ever talk w shooting-vic or family?
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Looks like they talked to the shooting victim or his family after the fact.

I would be pretty annoyed if I was them.

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