NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #12

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Wonder why the search is near the airport. The area of the James home is north of the airport. It is a huge area of empty desert running from St Rose Pkwy between the freeway and Las Vegas Blvd. There isn't many homes in the area.

Yes, same general area. I tried to find more information regarding this Saturday's search, however wasn't able to find any. I'm not able to attend this search, but I sure hope Billie Jean is found safe.

Friends of Bill and Billie Jean James have a web site at this link....

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Frien...-and-Billie-Jean-James/121797297834832?v=wall

.....it is up-to-date and does give information on the search that will
take place tomorrow.

I think the meet-up area is at the location near the airport, then they will send out the searchers from there. I think a lot of the searching will involve knocking on doors and passing out flyers to homes in the area.
 
I found six (6) with different mailing addresses. These could be vacation/second homes, and possibly not rentals.

It seems that the streets all had different names when the homes were originally built, but same house number.

I ran across an ad for a real estate agent handling home sales in SCA (not the agent in the SUV) who was pushing the second-home aspect pretty heavily (I was gonna post a pointer, but now that the warm seasonis here, they have a different promo up). They were aiming at older SLC couples -- "come play golf and enjoy the sun here while it's snowing on the Wasatch! We're nowhere near the casinos and it's a great place to live!"
 
Under other circumstances, I would be able to buy that. But we're talking about a man going to a specific neighborhood in another state where he at least appears to have a purpose. Somewhere along the line, he had to have had contact with whoever led him there.

And I'm going to give Steven a little credit in believing that, if whoever lured him there somehow convinced him to keep it a "secret," he would not have fallen for it.

bbm

I'm saying he does not have to have been lead there. He could have had a million other reasons to go there that we don't know about. It's not like he made any secret of being in the area -- and it's possible that the errand was so trivial that he didn't even think it was worth mentioning. Maybe he had borrowed a Mormon history book from somebody who normally lives in SLC but was in Henderson for the winter and was returning it, for instance. He seems to have known lots of people and we know he has no trouble driving long distances for reasons that seem trivial to us.

I agree, he's unlikely to have fallen for anything that involved that sort of secret.
 
Cats5Vegas - before we start confusing folks in the Steven Koecher thread, the following link is for Billie Jean. Thanks for letting us know that the search for this lady will also be in an area near Steven's disappearance.

Sorry about that! Newbie mistake here!
 
bbm

I'm saying he does not have to have been lead there. He could have had a million other reasons to go there that we don't know about. It's not like he made any secret of being in the area -- and it's possible that the errand was so trivial that he didn't even think it was worth mentioning. Maybe he had borrowed a Mormon history book from somebody who normally lives in SLC but was in Henderson for the winter and was returning it, for instance. He seems to have known lots of people and we know he has no trouble driving long distances for reasons that seem trivial to us.

I agree, he's unlikely to have fallen for anything that involved that sort of secret.

I agree. But if he was there intentionally - for whatever reason - he had to have been in contact with someone about it sometime, right? Don't you think it odd there is no indication of that whatsoever?
 
I have always understood that he was going house-to-house and honestly don't know on what his pay was based.

The thing is, there is no evidence that he was distributing fliers in SCA. Some were found in his car, which is how his folks were ultimately contacted. None were found in the neighborhood.

It just seems unlikely to me that he would have gone to Henderson on a Sunday, when he had somewhere else to be, to hand out fliers in another state. Why THAT neighborhood?

yeah, like I was saying in my post, certainly neither leaving fliers nor door to door sales makes any sense all the way in Henderson. But what I'm trying to figure out is just what Steven did, and the likelihood he was continuing to do it after receiving the $100.

The boss may have not sent him to Henderson, but what was SK doing for him and was there still a business relationship? I now know nobody monitoring this thread can answer it, because apparently all we know is what the boss told the family / police which is very little, but I pose the questions in hopes someone who dealt with SK or the company can shed some light on it.

The commissioned sales mentioned in the ad with the phone number in it (although there was also some other business involved - car stereos?) I thought might be something that SK might think he could make some money at since it would be a decent commission on each window washing gig he could set up, and who knows how many until you try. So that is door to door, knocking on doors and trying to talk to people, but also leaving fliers if no one is home. Maybe he got a commission if they called in from looking at the flier, I don't know.

But he had at least one flier in the car laying out, and no one has said they ever saw fliers left anywhere by him, so the talk of no fliers seen in Henderson isn't an indication of what he was or wasn't doing there unless we did see fliers left elsewhere. And apparently we just don't know and one person, TH, who knows anything about what Steven indicated when he recieved $100 from him.

I would email him and ask (as suggested in a past post), but I didn't see an email address in any of the ads as mentioned in the past post.

rd
 
yeah, like I was saying in my post, certainly neither leaving fliers nor door to door sales makes any sense all the way in Henderson. But what I'm trying to figure out is just what Steven did, and the likelihood he was continuing to do it after receiving the $100.

The boss may have not sent him to Henderson, but what was SK doing for him and was there still a business relationship? I now know nobody monitoring this thread can answer it, because apparently all we know is what the boss told the family / police which is very little, but I pose the questions in hopes someone who dealt with SK or the company can shed some light on it.

The commissioned sales mentioned in the ad with the phone number in it (although there was also some other business involved - car stereos?) I thought might be something that SK might think he could make some money at since it would be a decent commission on each window washing gig he could set up, and who knows how many until you try. So that is door to door, knocking on doors and trying to talk to people, but also leaving fliers if no one is home. Maybe he got a commission if they called in from looking at the flier, I don't know.

But he had at least one flier in the car laying out, and no one has said they ever saw fliers left anywhere by him, so the talk of no fliers seen in Henderson isn't an indication of what he was or wasn't doing there unless we did see fliers left elsewhere. And apparently we just don't know and one person, TH, who knows anything about what Steven indicated when he recieved $100 from him.

I would email him and ask (as suggested in a past post), but I didn't see an email address in any of the ads as mentioned in the past post.

rd

Even based on the frugal purchases we know Steven made in the days leading up to his disappearance, $100 only goes so far. I can spend that much in 10 minutes at the grocery store! I have always considered the possibility that Steven had more money than anyone knows about.

If he was in Henderson at the request of his boss, it wasn't to promote their legal business, IMO. As far as we know, TH hasn't revealed anything worthwhile with the family or LE.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Knowing WHY Steven was in SCA that day is key to everything.
 
Sometimes I wonder if that window washing business is just a cover for something else.
 
Sometimes I wonder if that window washing business is just a cover for something else.

Me too. Then again, if Steven was making loads of $$$ through illegal means, why couldn't he pay his rent? Unless it was a relatively new endeavor....

Maybe he went to TH and said he needed to be earning more money and TH offered Steven an alternative.
 
I wonder if Republic Services has been talked to by the PI? This is an awful thought, but I wonder if anyone in the neighborhood got any new appliances, and had any large boxes to dispose of? I wonder if anyone in the neighborhood visited the dump?

Anyone have new carpet installed?

Anyone trade in a car?

Did the bank hire anyone to clean up or do any repairs to the empty house that was bank owned prior to the new owners taking possession? Was anyone at this empty house on Dec 13th?

I've always thought that something happened to SK in the SCA neighborhood.

I wonder what the retired marshall's gift of fear is telling him?
 
I wonder if Republic Services has been talked to by the PI? This is an awful thought, but I wonder if anyone in the neighborhood got any new appliances, and had any large boxes to dispose of? I wonder if anyone in the neighborhood visited the dump?

Anyone have new carpet installed?

Anyone trade in a car?

Did the bank hire anyone to clean up or do any repairs to the empty house that was bank owned prior to the new owners taking possession? Was anyone at this empty house on Dec 13th?

I've always thought that something happened to SK in the SCA neighborhood.

I wonder what the retired marshall's gift of fear is telling him?

All great questions. I just don't quite believe Steven came to any harm in SCA. But that's just me!

I would hope LE and/or the PI have looked into all of these things. I really do.
 
Me too. Then again, if Steven was making loads of $$$ through illegal means, why couldn't he pay his rent? Unless it was a relatively new endeavor....

Maybe he went to TH and said he needed to be earning more money and TH offered Steven an alternative.

Maybe Steven didn't know it was illegal. Maybe he was driving around delivering something, yet had no clue it was illegal. Kind of like the semi-legit courier service we talked about earlier.
 
He was living frugally, but it probably cost double the $100 he received just for the gas for those trips. Much has been made of refusing to use money from his family, no employment known of for half a year, from what I've seen here supposedly was making a car and phone payment and partial electric but not rent.

Yeah, he was getting money from somewhere, don't know if he was on unemployment and trying to enhance it with some money under the table from this guy (not that the boss has anyway of knowing that).

That's minor stuff, but don't know how SK can be so religious and doing anything worse that's illegal (as in cover for something else). I don't know, but if boss only mentioned $100 shortly before he disappeared implies the bulk of what he gave Steven in the relevant preceding timeframe, which implies SK had more money from somewhere.

Granted, not a whole lot, you don't buy a jar of peanut butter and a loaf of bread living on the high hog, but known expenses exceeded income from his only known job. And he acted like he didn't need money from his family, and mad that his family knew he hadn't paid rent, and lied about it not being three months.

I don't know, maybe being in Henderson had something to do with where he was getting money. I assume family or police were able to look at his bank account and see no unknown source of funds. If so, they should be able to see he was spending more than what he getting from TH, and therefore was cash income.

But when no one who has access to determine that doesn't want to deal with maybe unpleasant deductions, just wants people to look for whomever, hard to generate much sympathy imo.

rd
 
Maybe Steven didn't know it was illegal. Maybe he was driving around delivering something, yet had no clue it was illegal. Kind of like the semi-legit courier service we talked about earlier.

Definitely could be.
 
Definitely could be.

Was that bag under his arm the delivery for the day? Did he pick it up in the city earlier
in the day? Is there anyone in the area of Steven's car that is associated with big money...with any of the casinos...pawn....loans....etc.
 
Was that bag under his arm the delivery for the day? Did he pick it up in the city earlier
in the day? Is there anyone in the area of Steven's car that is associated with big money...with any of the casinos...pawn....loans....etc.

Another possibility. I'm sure there's plenty of money in SCA.

I just cannot understand why Steven would have to come to Vegas for money or work. And why a retirement community in Anthem?
 
I'm confused. Did Steven earn money from passing out fliers or did he earn a commission if his flier activities resulted in a job?

In any case, it seems mighty peculiar that a man with a degree would pass out fliers. I just don't get it.
 
Another possibility. I'm sure there's plenty of money in SCA.

I just cannot understand why Steven would have to come to Vegas for money or work. And why a retirement community in Anthem?


bbm

That is the mystery. I wish I knew. This case is perplexing.
 
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