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It's his birthday.GWIV looked a bit rattled when he came in, JMO
It's his birthday.GWIV looked a bit rattled when he came in, JMO
Yeah GWIV did neither. He didn't say to JW, BW and AW, we can't do this, I'm not doing this...freezing in the act of firing (according to JW's proffer via AC opening statement) doesn't constitute # 1 or 2. He also, even if it were true he stayed home with AW and the kids (which I don't believe for a second and neither is that stated in JW proffer), alert LE to stop the carnage. He's toast for that defense, AJMOalot of discussion on conspiracy criminal enterprise so i decided to look up the exact wording etc even tho its a foreign language lol. found a very compelling sectin that has not been brought up- the affirmative defense from a conspiracy prosecution.
(I) The following are affirmative defenses to a charge of conspiracy:
(1) After conspiring to commit an offense, the actor thwarted the success of the conspiracy under circumstances manifesting a complete and voluntary renunciation of the actor's criminal purpose.
(2) After conspiring to commit an offense, the actor abandoned the conspiracy prior to the commission of or attempt to commit any offense that was the object of the conspiracy, either by advising all other conspirators of the actor's abandonment, or by informing any law enforcement authority of the existence of the conspiracy and of the actor's participation in the conspiracy.
george the super hero had plenty of options before succesfuly running a mass murder criminal enterprise conspiracy. some options that didnt involve the police. george had no regrets until the cuffs went on
Yeah he gets to have more birthdaysIt's his birthday.
Same here. But not in this trial, IMO.I have seen useless lawyers on both sides in many trials,
The only issue there would be Jake told them and confirmed or Angela or both. Nice try defense, but no cigar.Defense is going to say either previous owners, neighbors or people who were following the case threw those items in the well and then threw all that stuff on top of it, to hid it or child proof it. AJMO
They have to have more than thinking someone is suspicious to get a search warrant. They have to be specific and have specific reasons. I am sure if they had enough they would have done it sooner. It sounds like when they went out on the 3rd or 4th of May they learned they were going to Alaska and had sold the house. They were able to obtain phone records from that day and I believe it was said that was rushed and they learned that George had texted Billy to not come up there got company during the exact time BCI was there to talk to them. They observed shell casings on the ground then and my guess is that was the things that allowed for the search warrant on the 10th. They still didn't want to alert the Wagner's so they went quietly with a few people only. Found enough that day to go back on the 12th and I'd imagine by then they didn't care weather the Wagner's knew or not. I think it was best this way because they didn't try to gather all the evidence and destroy it, they left in a hurry it seems and left behind all the things.Why did they wait so long to search the Wagner properties?
Why wait until they moved out?
Why not get a warrant when Jake refused to give the phone?
Why when they interviewed Billy in the car, did they not ask more about Jake? Billy ran that whole interview.
Taking phones after a year? many people get new phones all the time. Why wait a year?
I find it so annoying that after a year, they got good photos of the empty property.
Were they afraid of them? Or just incompetent.
I had the Wagner's on my radar almost from day one. To me, the timing, new baby, was critical and completely glaring.
I think Billy Had his own additional motive here. Money business deals, something. He did mention the 20k that was owed him.
I do see the confusion as the Wagner's skillfully manipulated social media and threw blame everywhere else.
They need an award for that.
the interior decorating.![]()
I agree. My understanding is they have to be specific about what they were searching for and why they believed it to be on the property in order to secure the search warrant. Also, they (Wagners) fled the USA and now time was critical as to searching the property prior to new owners. I don’t know but I feel like all these factors might have been part of the affidavit for warrant.They have to have more than thinking someone is suspicious to get a search warrant. They have to be specific and have specific reasons. I am sure if they had enough they would have done it sooner. It sounds like when they went out on the 3rd or 4th of May they learned they were going to Alaska and had sold the house. They were able to obtain phone records from that day and I believe it was said that was rushed and they learned that George had texted Billy to not come up there got company during the exact time BCI was there to talk to them. They observed shell casings on the ground then and my guess is that was the things that allowed for the search warrant on the 10th. They still didn't want to alert the Wagner's so they went quietly with a few people only. Found enough that day to go back on the 12th and I'd imagine by then they didn't care weather the Wagner's knew or not. I think it was best this way because they didn't try to gather all the evidence and destroy it, they left in a hurry it seems and left behind all the things.
9mm is louder could be a possible reason.James Pilcher
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9m
Now introducing a 9 mm casings - another objection from defense. But before sidebar, prosecutor says they will show the initial plan was to bring a 9 mm on the night of the killing. Yet another long sidebar.
@local12
Took a break after this.
Wonder why they planned to bring a 9 mm, but changed their mind? This must be information from Jake's proffer.
I'll let those of you who know guns and ammo explain why they debated this. Every time I try to search about guns online, I get the videos of someone waving a gun around. I reflexively duck and hide when they do that.