OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #21

[Dudly]

What do y'all think about KR having one GSW to the head and the skull/bone fractures of CR 1 and GR?


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The gun shot wounds could be the reason for the skull fractures. There sure seemed to be a lot of scars. I don't understand the mention of staples and stitches.

 

[glf]

What do y'all think about KR having one GSW to the head and the skull/bone fractures of CR 1 and GR?


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I think Chris was already "down", probably already dead, and then was shot twice in the top of the head, since all cranial nerves and vessels were damaged beyond recognition. Gary also could have taken a bullet in the top of his head. There were two reasons for bagging the hands. To check for residue under the nails, and to check for gun shot residue. That is how they could definitely rule out murder/suicide. I'm curious about the scarring on Chris's chest. Said there was no sign of heart disease, so that rules out heart surgery.

 

[rsd1200]

On CR2 it states that his hands were in paper bags (for evidence I'm guessing). It also states that there was a petechial contusion to the distal left elbow and a 2" linear, red petechial contusion to the left volar forearm. Is it possible that the rumors the CR2 attempted to escape may have been true? Petechia refers to a types of bleeding into the skin. A contusion is a type of hematomain which blood has escaped from ruptured capillaries and is interspersed into surrounding tissue, usually due to trauma. It could have happened prior to that night, but, maybe someone grabbed him by the forearm area. Just tossing that out. IAN in the medical field.

 

[Rixey]

There sure seemed to be a lot of scars. I don't understand the mention of staples and stitches.

Most likely what they are describing as "scars" are not what we usually think of as scars. If you have a scrape or cut that heals, for a while afterwards there will be a "scar" that fades away. But if you die before that healing happens, it would be classified as a "scar".

When my aunt died she had various scratches from her dogs -- nothing unusual -- but the coroner noted each one and they were classified as cuts/wounds while older ones that had healed but were still visible were considered scars. And we were asked about this just to verify that it truly wasn't anything that should be considered suspicious.

 

[glf]

Did anyone notice the notation that Gary , had deformed fingernails? It was redacted in between as if this was not a "natural "occurrence...

When I read that, I felt like it was most likely from an injury as opposed to a birth deformity.

 

[glf]

On CR2 it states that his hands were in paper bags (for evidence I'm guessing). It also states that there was a petechial contusion to the distal left elbow and a 2" linear, red petechial contusion to the left volar forearm. Is it possible that the rumors the CR2 attempted to escape may have been true? Petechia refers to a types of bleeding into the skin. A contusion is a type of hematomain which blood has escaped from ruptured capillaries and is interspersed into surrounding tissue, usually due to trauma. It could have happened prior to that night, but, maybe someone grabbed him by the forearm area. Just tossing that out. IAN in the medical field.

I noticed that, too, and being 16, it could be related to about anything! Wrestling in PE, horsing around with friends, working on cars, or a number of things. There's so much important info we cannot have R/T autopsies, and although I understand why, it still leaves way for lots of speculation and guessing.

 

[Canaille]

I'm kind of expecting one of the news stations to do that.

LOVE your avatar... or whatever they call it!

 

[Rixey]

When I read that, I felt like it was most likely from an injury as opposed to a birth deformity.

maybe as a result of drug use?

 

[Dr. Know?]

GR's thick toenails/fingernails were from a fungus. I looked it up. onychomycosis

 

[rsd1200]

DR had 50 mil of tan fluid and white food fragments. I was reading up on some of this and I discovered; If undigested stomach contents are present, then death occurred within zero to two hours after their last meal. I don't know that that helps us with anything but, fwiw, I thought I'd share.Forensic Science: Fundamentals and Investigations by Anthony J. Bertino

 

[AF555]

I hate to say this, but, considering where, and how, they found the baby... I was kinda thinking along a rather horrible train of thought.

I hate to be "that girl", but what do you mean by this?

 

[rsd1200]

GR's thick toenails/fingernails were from a fungus. I looked it up. onychomycosis

I found the fact that they redacted the word(s) after, "The mouth is ...", kind of unsettling. (still on GR)

 

[Rixey]

I found the fact that they redacted the word(s) after, "The mouth is ...", kind of unsettling. (still on GR)

Eeewwwww.


One thing I noticed about GR's reports were that whatever was stated in the toxicology report and toxicology section of the autopsy took up a much larger area than for the others. And his Toxicology Report itself has a date of 6/14, while all others are dated 5/20.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Just reading the tongue was blank, DR's wounds consisted of a neck wound, and the mouth part makes me drift towards a gun in their mouths. Hope not & it's hard to make sense of it with all of the redactions.

 

[AF555]

The way they released these with all the redactions seems more likely to fuel rumors and misinformation with the public imo.


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[glf]

maybe as a result of drug use?

I guess it might be something R/T burning of the nail tissue or underlying flesh, but I'm thinking more likely getting the fingers and nail beds smashed badly, or even getting them caught in some type of machinery. I ripped my big toenail almost completely off, be two years ago next month, and it looked really strange and grew funny for over a year. And since that happened, I can't stand to have my shoe tied too tight, and have noticed when that foot gets cold, it seems to take forever to get it warm. Almost makes me feel like the circulation has practically stopped. Just last week when I went to bed my feet were cold, even with socks on, so I put a light weight blanket on top of the bedspread. When I woke up the next morning, my left foot was a little cool, and my right foot felt like it had been in the refrigerator all nite! I ended up putting one of those hot/cold packs in the microwave and wrapped it around my foot with a towel, and it finally got warm. We have alot of sensitive nerves in and around our nail beds.

 

[AF555]

This is gonna sound crazy, but I wonder if they checked and swabbed the dogs for evidence. Fibers, hairs, blood, skin, DNA on their paws or mouths.

Did someone give the dogs a big steak to keep them distracted while they did this, and was there evidence of it? Did they jump up and scratch the killer because they were excited to see them at first, leaving DNA on their nails? Did the dogs have GSR or blood spatter on them?

I know it's been reported that they're not friendly to strangers and would be difficult to handle for LE, but I've seen a case that was solved in part by this type of DNA evidence on a dog.


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[glf]

GR's thick toenails/fingernails were from a fungus. I looked it up. onychomycosis

That is very common with toenails. It can also affect the fingernails but it is much more rare. Usually, if it affects one nail, it will affect all the nails on that hand.

 

[rsd1200]

I'm in a rural area and have a similar situation to you. About the same distance to a grocery store. No public transportation. No bike lanes. No cable TV, only DirecTV or Dish.Very poor cell service. My doctors are 30-70 miles away. I have to keep my car in good repair or I'm screwed...

I do have a family doctor in town but the nearest hospital is in another county and most specialists are two counties over. I know people who drive HOURS to see a doctor and, to have their pets seen by a vet. People who live in cities don't understand why we can't just hop in a taxi if our car breaks down. We drilled regular car care into the kid's heads. No car = you're sunk.

 

[rsd1200]

Most likely what they are describing as "scars" are not what we usually think of as scars. If you have a scrape or cut that heals, for a while afterwards there will be a "scar" that fades away. But if you die before that healing happens, it would be classified as a "scar".

When my aunt died she had various scratches from her dogs -- nothing unusual -- but the coroner noted each one and they were classified as cuts/wounds while older ones that had healed but were still visible were considered scars. And we were asked about this just to verify that it truly wasn't anything that should be considered suspicious.

With their hobbies of Demo Derby and coon hunting and propensity to fight, I didn't personally find the scars out of the norm.