OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #3

[JaimeInLA]

Forum is moving fast and I haven't read every post because I do have to work, but here are some thoughts and responses to posts I DID read:

1) HMR could very well have been Clarence's victim. She exhibits many of those symptoms of abuse.

2) The BJM and LM remarks are interesting. I'd love to hear more from them.

3) Tragically, I feel Frankie and Hanna were killed before Chris and Gary next door. Of the two, Frankie was probably shot first, maybe in his sleep. Why shoot the tiny female first, after all? She may have been awakened by the shot that killed Frankie and saw her shot coming. The thoughts that must have gone through her mind, as her newborn lay beside her, are too horrifying to imagine.

Just a quick correction to your #3. Frankie's fiance Hannah was not the mother to the newborn. Frankie's sister Hanna was the one sleeping next to her newborn, in Dana's house.

 

[gngr~snap]

That looks like the picture from Saturday..

I agree. I am wondering why they reposted it. Maybe taking a second look. IDK

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[Ellmau]

I'm not familiar with Ohio governing statutes, but this is my best quick reckoning based on the definitions provided:

Presumably he was sentenced in 1998 and served approx. four years in prison until 2002 when a judge granted his release.

The definite sentence is somewhat of a maximum term (excluding good time formulations, etc.)

The expiration stated term (2004) would have been the earliest release date possible without judicial approval.

Excluding whatever time served calculations were in effect at the time.

So that would make the offence 18 years ago. That would be an awfully long time to hold off your revenge for. It must be unrelated to the killings? (And I sure hope it wasn't HR given that.)

 

[KKearns]

So that would make the offence 18 years ago. That would be an awfully long time to hold off your revenge for. It must be unrelated to the killings? (And I sure hope it wasn't HR given that.)

There could be more that happened after that never was prosecuted or proven..

 

[passionflower]

Nightly news said that it was 'anger'........1 victim shot 9 times, others fought back..............

 

[Ellmau]

There could be more that happened after that never was prosecuted or proven..

True.

 

[Betty P]

OK do we know for sure? If a mod says she is fair game then ok.

Suggest you contact a mod to ask. Click on the little exclamation point in the lower left corner.

We're also not supposed to sleuth people who haven't been named by LE or in the news media as a POI.

Rules for this thread are here

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?306122-OH-Pike-County-8-people-from-one-family-dead-as-police-hunt-for-killer%28s%29-3

 

[lonesomepaws]

Maps:


The distance between Dana's house and Chris Sr. house


Close up Dana's House


Closeup Chris Sr. House (Frankie house to right)


Close Up 799 Left Fork


distance between Union Hill Road and Left Fork Road

 

[steelman]

The family dogs didn't bark at the attackers. This means they knew them, and were familiar with both them and their vehicles. Anybody that has ever had dogs for very long, knows that dogs will learn both what your vehicle sounds like and looks like. When you pull up in it, they won't bark. When a different unfamiliar vehicle pulls up with a stranger in it, they will go berserk.

This is someone familiar with the entire family.....really familiar. Either that, or they were playing the part of an escort for the reason described above, to quiet the animals

This may have been pulled off with the idea in mind that the pot would create a huge diversion from a LE perspective. As others have surmised, it may have had nothing to do with the dope what-so-ever, but the killers knew that a drug angle would be #1 on the list of motives.

The dogs not barking and waking people up is a huge red flag in my opinion.

 

[KKearns]

Suggest you contact a mod to ask. Click on the little exclamation point in the lower left corner.

We're also not supposed to sleuth people who haven't been named by LE or in the news media as a POI.

Ugh.. This one is tough. There are many public criminal records and everyone so closely connected.

 

[perfectingpink]

The family dogs didn't bark at the attackers. This means they knew them, and were familiar with both them and their vehicles. Anybody that has ever had dogs for very long, knows that dogs will learn both what your vehicle sounds like and looks like. When you pull up in it, they won't bark. When a different unfamiliar vehicle pulls up with a stranger in it, they will go berserk.

This is someone familiar with the entire family.....really familiar. Either that, or they were playing the part of an escort for the reason described above, to quiet the animals

This may have been pulled off with the idea in mind that the pot would create a huge diversion from a LE perspective. As others have surmised, it may have had nothing to do with the dope what-so-ever, but the killers knew that a drug angle would be #1 on the list of motives.

The dogs not barking and waking people up is a huge red flag in my opinion.

I had not thought about the pot as being a diversion. Good thinking as always, Steel!!!!!

 

[Smugshots]

That's what I wonder......and her father is......(gramps Rhoden) ???????Dunno.

Can't be, they are close to the same age. 5th grade in 2012.

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[KKearns]

Maps:
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The distance between Dana's house and Chris Sr. house

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Close up Dana's House

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Closeup Chris Sr. House (Frankie house to right)

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Close Up 799 Left Fork

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distance between Union Hill Road and Left Fork Road

So looking at the maps, only Chris and Frankie's houses were close enough to hear a commotion from either house?

 

[ScotsPaddy]

So that would make the offence 18 years ago. That would be an awfully long time to hold off your revenge for. It must be unrelated to the killings? (And I sure hope it wasn't HR given that.)

And why go after other members of the family?

 

[cujenn81]

SWAT TEAM?????

[video=twitter;725079479194910721]https://twitter.com/Police_Dispatch/status/725079479194910721[/video]

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I don't know why that Twitter account would tweet that now because the link is for an article posted on April 24th. That picture was taken on Sunday before the press conference.

 

[ScotsPaddy]

Sometimes yes, thats in reply to Adt1984

 

[Pheasant]

The family dogs didn't bark at the attackers. This means they knew them, and were familiar with both them and their vehicles. Anybody that has ever had dogs for very long, knows that dogs will learn both what your vehicle sounds like and looks like. When you pull up in it, they won't bark. When a different unfamiliar vehicle pulls up with a stranger in it, they will go berserk.

This is someone familiar with the entire family.....really familiar. Either that, or they were playing the part of an escort for the reason described above, to quiet the animals

This may have been pulled off with the idea in mind that the pot would create a huge diversion from a LE perspective. As others have surmised, it may have had nothing to do with the dope what-so-ever, but the killers knew that a drug angle would be #1 on the list of motives.

The dogs not barking and waking people up is a huge red flag in my opinion.

You're assuming the dogs didn't bark. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. Maybe all the victims were blackout drunk and passed out.
It appears barking dogs didn't cause the victims to get out of bed, which isn't surprising if they're the kind of dogs that are outside and bark a lot. There are an awful lot of assumptions based on these dogs that have no basis in fact.

 

[Everyday Grace]

New article on the Chillicothe Gazette about Pike County Sheriff Charlie Reader:

http://www.chillicothegazette.com/s...lie-reader-pike-county-mass-murders/83559628/

 

[winterrose]

http://www.clrfuneralhome.com/#!Gary-D-Rhoden/dffpr/571fb5a00cf269c350f0970c

Gary Dwayne Rhoden, 38, of Greenup, Kentucky passed away Friday, April 22, 2016 in Piketon, Ohio. Gary was born December 19, 1977 in Ashland Kentucky a son of Kenneth Rhoden and his wife Ruth of Flatwoods, Kentucky and Mae Diane Stewart Leadingham and her husband James of Greenup, Kentucky.
In addition to his parents he is survived by Two brothers James Rhoden and his wife Heaven of South Shore, Kentucky
Kenny Rhoden and his wife Sheri of South Shore, Kentucky and many friends.
Funeral Services will be conducted at 12:00 pm, April 28, 2016 at Crockett L. Reed Funeral Home by Bro. Denver Woods and Bro. Ernie Melvin.

Burial will be at the Miller Cemetery, South Shore.
Visitation will be from 6:00 9:00 pm Wednesday at the funeral home and one hour before the service on Thursday.

 

[Babyfacemagee]

The thing that keeps coming back to my mind is the 'coincidence' or 'good fortune' that the murders happened 4 days after Hanna (HMR) had given birth and that the baby was not hurt. Now if the murders would have occurred while she was still pregnant that would have meant most certainly the death of the baby as well. So the fact it happened 4 days after the birth to me is 'lucky' (obviously this entire thing is tragic and I mean luck as in at least the baby survived). The problem I have with this is that it's 'lucky' for one coincidence (baby already born) but to have a second stroke of luck (baby not harmed during the murder) to me means we have two coincidences or strokes of luck in a row. That doesn't happen too often and it makes me suspect it's not coincidence at all.. I want to know more about CH's relationship with HMR.. How sure are we that he really was the father of this child? What is the possibility of incest in the family or that HMR's child was fathered by someone else? What else do we know about what was going on in HMR's life?

edit: I was reminded that CH is not the baby's father. Still doesn't explain how these two 'coincidences' occurred to make sure the baby survived this tragedy. Seems 'too' coincidental to just be luck.