OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #8

[Everyday Grace]

If they are PIKE County warrants, does that mean for places ONLY in Pike county? JMO

Yes, search warrants have to be issued from a court having jurisdiction. Entirely possible that search warrants related to this case could be issued and executed outside of Pike County.

That possibility includes federal search warrants. The weed is going somewhere and that opens up some federal jurisdictions.

It's a given that any and all search warrants will be sealed by a court. Any that aren't will be an exeception, not a rule.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

Dear LE,
We need you to have this wrapped up by 5 pm (central) today. K?

Thanks,
teh et al.

:laughitup: but I agree!

 

[mrssmith23]

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/opi...irector-thought-had-seen-everything/83813838/

Extremely touching article about the funerals tomorrow, etc. Sad.

36 Pallbearers needed to carry caskets.
6 sprays of flowers, each a different color.

This is very sad.

On a good note, it is nice to see this man is caring and professional. As much as we want the information, he knows it's not his duty to release it.

This is such a very sad tragedy.

 

[DatelineFan]

. It's actually becoming more and more common for these younger gang members to do as they please. The last couple of years an evolution has been taking place. There is a lot of murders happening that were not ordered or approved. A quick look at the past year of your daily newspaper and you can probably spot quite a few right off the bat.

Do you really think that a group of teenagers pulled this off? And are still free after questioning by police?
Serious question.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

This is precisely how it looks to me and very well put also.

Certainly big business here and a threat to existing growers.
"The road, which goes from Michigan into Florida, is a known trafficking corridor because of its proximity to major markets, including Cleveland, Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis and Pittsburgh.
Annual law enforcement flyovers target areas between U.S. 23 and Interstate 70, a hilly, wooded area known to cartels and local growers as an effective hiding spot, said Dan Tierney, spokesman for Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine.

In 2014, the most recent year for which data is available, almost one-fourth of all the marijuana seized by authorities in Ohio came from Pike and five neighboring counties, according to data from the attorney general's office."
[video=cnn;justice/2016/04/30/ohio-pike-county-family-killed-wrap-valencia.cnn]http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/01/health/ohio-murders-pike-county/index.html[/video]

 

[Margo/Mom]

. It's actually becoming more and more common for these younger gang members to do as they please. The last couple of years an evolution has been taking place. There is a lot of murders happening that were not ordered or approved. A quick look at the past year of your daily newspaper and you can probably spot quite a few right off the bat.

As I said, simply reading headlines that point to such and such killing being "gang-related" or even "drug-related" is not a good yardstick. Newspaper reporters are seldom privy to information about whether murders were "ordered or approved." While I would agree that murder may be increasingly evident as an output of gangs, I have never seen any that functioned as killing clubs. Rather, they are an underground/underworld economy selling illegal products--drugs, sometimes sex. Perhaps a side effect of involvement is use/abuse/addiction of the product, which can lead to both paranoia and stupid choices. But I still believe that the primary motives are economic--with violent upticks to be expected during economic downturns, shortages of product, or shake-ups such as big busts that take a number of players out of circulation.

Strictly my opinion.

 

[KKearns]

I am just now getting on for the first time since last night and I am not really caught up with #7 yet, but there was someone that posted a question to me on #7 and I didn't want to be rude and not answer.

Originally Posted by dayna769
You can get some info from the auditors site. However to see actual deeds and track history you have to go to the recorders site and I am on my phone currently and don't have access to it right now. I will find it later. You can google it though and have to go through a few clicks to get there. The recorders site is where you can see the actual deeds and names of all the people and who actually owns the et al properties.



These?

https://www.pikepa.org/recdeed.html

https://www.uslandrecords.com/uslr/UslrApp/index.jsp

Docs I've looked at there so far have certainly answered some questions I've had.

I've been somewhat mentally lazy by just relying on you to dig stuff up from there. Much appreciated, by the way. :loser:

The answer to your question is yes. That is the website I was talking about and more specifically this page is for Pike County: https://www.uslandrecords.com/ohlr3/controller

Also, KKearns mentioned that she only saw tax records or something on the site. I can't really remember exactly what you said KKearns, but you responded to me as well. You can see actual deeds, documents, power of attorney... once you do your search, names will pop up on the right side of the screen. Pick the name you want and then it pops up with that persons records. Click on whichever one you want and then a "Details" screen shows up, but what most people don't know is that below the "Details" section there are 3 more lines in blue that say PDF Viewer, Quick Viewer and Tiff viewer. When you click on one of those it pulls up the actual document. I use quick viewer because then it just opens up in the same window. Hope that answers your questions. I put a little pic below with a red arrow to show where you click to see the documents.

FTR, I was also looking on my phone. I didn't mention there weren't other things, I just said on that site I saw the tax assessed amounts.

 

[Everyday Grace]

Would be nice to know if they were for the Rhoden place or somewhere else. They would also tell us what they are looking for. One would think these have some kind of identitying info, whether suspect or what they are looking for, in it.

There is a possibility they just decided to seal any search warrants like this so they don't set off that they are on to something.

The initial round of search warrants were five in number, IIRC. I think it's safe to say the four crime scene location premises were covered in those.

They were immediately sealed when they were filed last week.

On Wednesday, authorities returned search warrant affidavits of various properties to Pike County Common Pleas Court. The documents immediately were sealed.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2016/04/dewine_cold-blooded_killers_ma.html

The Pike County Clerk's Office and Ohio Attorney General's office both confirm the warrant was filed and said all would be sealed while authorities continue to investigate the massacre.

http://m.fox19.com/fox19/db_330522/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=O7FiBYFE

 

[KKearns]

The initial round of search warrants were five in number, IIRC. I think it's safe to say the four crime scene location premises were covered in those.

They were immediately sealed when they were filed last week.


http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2016/04/dewine_cold-blooded_killers_ma.html



http://m.fox19.com/fox19/db_330522/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=O7FiBYFE

Yeah I know they were sealed, I was speaking they might have just decided to seal any so they don't just deal one that has big info and it tips off media.

 

[cady]

What about warrants issued for Adams, and Scioto counties???? Maybe? Peebles is in Adams county, I believe. Does anyone know of any people mentioned in MSM who live in Pike county? Or properties? JMO

 

[Margo/Mom]

Further- I think when all is said and done, the "pipeline" is going to be going south through Kentucky with other FAMILY members. I'd bet anything that "gangs and cartels" have nothing to do with this operation.

And here's another fact- Greenup Kentucky is 97.1% white.

I think that there may be good reason to be critical of the "Mexican Cartel" involvement theory. Not only because of the infinitesimal Hispanic population, but also the rather slim evidence on which it is based. Apparently LE found some grows with "camps" that had been vacated and the Mexican tie-in had to do with the kind of food traces/brands that they found. While that may point to someone who is Mexican, the "cartel" connection is kinda weak. Not ready to totally discard it, just critical.

I have seen suggestions, such as yours, of a pipeline to Kentucky. I have also seen mention of connections to Detroit. While both of these make sense to me, they overlook a critical piece and that is, who is actually distributing/selling the product? I would be very surprised if these folks have the "boots on the ground" in any of these areas. I would think that they may transport (or not) to a population center in bulk, where it is broken down and actually sold "on the street," as it were. So that represents to me a missing piece.

I am also intrigued by the recent package intercepted at the PO. Weed from California--apparently to be processed in Ohio into hash oil (shatter). This suggests another entity of some sort--which could be a Mexican connection--or not.

Lotta missing pieces as well as different ways to piece together the parts that we know.

JMO

 

[Elley Mae]

The initial round of search warrants were five in number, IIRC. I think it's safe to say the four crime scene location premises were covered in those.

They were immediately sealed when they were filed last week.


http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2016/04/dewine_cold-blooded_killers_ma.html



http://m.fox19.com/fox19/db_330522/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=O7FiBYFE

Thinking this was the 5th,

While he was detained by investigators, his Waverly home he shares with his mother and two siblings was being searched.

http://myfox28columbus.com/news/loc...ction-with-rhoden-murders-maintains-innocence

Jones maintains while he knew the Rhoden's and had differences in the past, he was home when the execution-style murders took place and his home security camera will back up his story.

In the meantime, Jones says he's still considered a suspect in the case.

He says he submitted a DNA sample for investigators, who also took clothing, and cell phones from his property as evidence.

 

[Canaille]

I'm slow. It just dawned on me that MAYBE with the funerals tomorrow (or is there also a wake today?) that we might learn who had the 9 gunshot wounds. Open casket vs closed casket. I know that's not necessarily true because someone with only one gsw to the head could be a closed casket, depending on the damage. And the one with 9 could be an open casket depending on where the wounds were.

 

[steelman]

This may be a case where the Rhoden Family Enterprise either had an oral agreement or an unwritten obligation to sell their crop to an individual or a criminal group. When a higher bidder came along, the deal was quietly cancelled and rerouted to the new customer, much to the chagrin of the original customer.

That cancelled promise, coupled with the loss of many future years of a steady supply, resulted in the decision to eliminate the entire family along with elimination of the crop itself. Nobody involved in the negotiations won. It may also be possible that the customer who got burned in the deal was the very person who got them launched and started, and possibly financed this operation.

I still believe it was a close associate, either an ex-employee or a family member that had been excised from the group , that acted as a guide and escort the night of these murders. I suspect evidence was left left deliberately or evidence was planted in an attempt to mislead investigators. It appears to have worked so far.

Although there is speculation that this wasn't personal, it looks and feels pretty damn personal to me. Both betrayal and revenge are pretty strong motives.

 

[Jax49]

I'm slow. It just dawned on me that MAYBE with the funerals tomorrow (or is there also a wake today?) that we might learn who had the 9 gunshot wounds. Open casket vs closed casket. I know that's not necessarily true because someone with only one gsw to the head could be a closed casket, depending on the damage. And the one with 9 could be an open casket depending on where the wounds were.

I wondered about that when I read the article, but it made it sound like they would all be open. Hard to imagine...

 

[Rixey]

Do you really think that a group of teenagers pulled this off? And are still free after questioning by police?
Serious question.

I don't think any group of locals, especially teenagers, would be able to do this and not talk about it to someone they trust or say something that is overheard by someone else. All it takes is for one person to say something to someone else and it would soon be all over the county.

 

[Sharedspirit]

I think that there may be good reason to be critical of the "Mexican Cartel" involvement theory. Not only because of the infinitesimal Hispanic population, but also the rather slim evidence on which it is based. Apparently LE found some grows with "camps" that had been vacated and the Mexican tie-in had to do with the kind of food traces/brands that they found. While that may point to someone who is Mexican, the "cartel" connection is kinda weak. Not ready to totally discard it, just critical.

I have seen suggestions, such as yours, of a pipeline to Kentucky. I have also seen mention of connections to Detroit. While both of these make sense to me, they overlook a critical piece and that is, who is actually distributing/selling the product? I would be very surprised if these folks have the "boots on the ground" in any of these areas. I would think that they may transport (or not) to a population center in bulk, where it is broken down and actually sold "on the street," as it were. So that represents to me a missing piece.

I am also intrigued by the recent package intercepted at the PO. Weed from California--apparently to be processed in Ohio into hash oil (shatter). This suggests another entity of some sort--which could be a Mexican connection--or not.

Lotta missing pieces as well as different ways to piece together the parts that we know.

JMO

I don't see Ruby pulling the reward money because he fears his family is in danger from Pike County locals growing pot for local sale. If that many locals are smoking, It would take hours just to get from Peebles to 23 because everyone would be going 15 mph. That large of an amount had to be going somewhere else.

 

[Kitsey]

[video=twitter;727158899510534145]https://twitter.com/karinjohnson/status/727158899510534145[/video]

Great news! Thanks Pearline

 

[DatelineFan]

Just FYI - black kids do not = gang members! Let's get that straight.

 

[lonesomepaws]

Just FYI - black kids do not = gang members! Let's get that straight.

I mentioned the statics to show that IJ was probably not accepted into a family hierarchy. Any family hierarchy in pike county but his own. He would be an outsider as I seriously doubt he was born there. To clarify, there are family clans in pike county but there are NO gangs. White, black, yellow or purple. No gangs.