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KKearns said:
Well all that must fuel the problem. When I broke my ankle years ago I don't think the doc would have just kept giving me pain meds over and over. Also with my kidney stones, after my last surgery and all was clear, if I had kept calling in pain, the doc would have believed me because he knows me.. BUT.. He would have immediately checked to see if something else was still going on that was missed and probably give me one prescription, but if he found nothing, he would send me to another specialist.

Also I had two ER visits with the stones and my primary care knew and they got records of my surgeries also, the doctor called to check on me for each visit and surgery.

Maybe that is more closely followed here because I am in a larger city and there is a network for the hospitals and the doctors.
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I believe that a part of the legislation that enabled the Ohio pill mill shut down had to do with enabling the sharing of prescriptions filled across entities. Small town pharmacies have done this informally for years--they'll just call around if they suspect that someone is getting too many scripts from too many doctors filled all around town. One of the articles said that the local pharmacies were not about taking scripts from their local pill mill--they already knew what was up. folks would have to take them somewhere where they were not known.

But I think mrssmith is right, a lot depends on the doc. Some really believe that they can handle it--as in "don't worry, I won't let you get addicted." Others just don't care or don't want to be bothered--thinking that some patients will jut get their fix elsewhere. Probably some fall into internal biases--thinking that Mr. So and So who is a professional businessman is not the "type" who gets hooked. Glad the DEA is becoming more active in monitoring. But longterm I think docs are going to need more training in the whole area of pain/addiction.
 
KKearns said:
Well other drugs can cause crimes like murder from customers for not getting the drugs, pot not generally. If a murder happens over pot it usually has to do with big distribution and then involves some big debt or taking customers.

It is strange about the pain meds and this country. I've traveled to numerous countries, you can buy opiates over the counter in many countries and some even stronger ones directly from the pharmacist without needing a prescription.

Those countries aren't having heroin or meth epidemics and the crime over drugs like we are.
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You're right. It's sad and strange. I believe in Canada you can buy Tylenol #3 OTC, here it's considered a narcotic, but not in the same class as Norco or Percocet.

I agree that pot does not typically cause murders over it unless it's scenarios like you mentioned (lots of product, lots of money, large operation with multiple people involved.) I don't think that anyone I know growing pot has ever been in fear for their life over it, though medicinally it's legal here so most people that smoke grow for themselves and close friends. Of course there is still heavy activity out in Detroit that is far different than it is out here, and that I would classify as dangerous.
 
I understand being frustrated with the media. But you need it.
 
pisces51 said:
They filmed most of the procession and it sounds to me like someone in the large black truck at 1:36 yells FU twice to the media

http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/vi...icmp=mydaytondaily_internallink_megamenu_link
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Indeed they did. Reporter @jayfug tweeted that one was shouted at them from a pickup.

On the other hand, @hollyzacharia with the Columbus Dispatch was invited inside for the service by the family. I will not be surprised if @chrisgraves was also invited inside.

Delicate balance.
 
Margo/Mom said:
I believe that a part of the legislation that enabled the Ohio pill mill shut down had to do with enabling the sharing of prescriptions filled across entities. Small town pharmacies have done this informally for years--they'll just call around if they suspect that someone is getting too many scripts from too many doctors filled all around town. One of the articles said that the local pharmacies were not about taking scripts from their local pill mill--they already knew what was up. folks would have to take them somewhere where they were not known.

But I think mrssmith is right, a lot depends on the doc. Some really believe that they can handle it--as in "don't worry, I won't let you get addicted." Others just don't care or don't want to be bothered--thinking that some patients will jut get their fix elsewhere. Probably some fall into internal biases--thinking that Mr. So and So who is a professional businessman is not the "type" who gets hooked. Glad the DEA is becoming more active in monitoring. But longterm I think docs are going to need more training in the whole area of pain/addiction.
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There needs to be more training for sure, but with anything where you start slapping more and more laws, the law abiding people that need it or aren't doing anything wrong, end up getting hurt. Shutting down the pill mills has also led to more heroin, something they didn't see coming but should have. That tells me people that understand addiction and pain management aren't being consulted in the decisions here.

"We shut down pill mills" sounds good on a campaign trail, they don't finish and say "now heroin use is growing like crazy".

I work in local government but I have issues with government involvement in too many things, they tend to see things very black and white. Black and white is shutting down pill mills and thinking the problem is solved. Ummm.. No it isn't, you've traded one problem for another and that new problem could be very much more dangerous for everyone. Including treatment and continuing education for doctors so legit people don't suffer, would go a long way in curbing the heroin use.
 
Margo/Mom said:
I believe that a part of the legislation that enabled the Ohio pill mill shut down had to do with enabling the sharing of prescriptions filled across entities. Small town pharmacies have done this informally for years--they'll just call around if they suspect that someone is getting too many scripts from too many doctors filled all around town. One of the articles said that the local pharmacies were not about taking scripts from their local pill mill--they already knew what was up. folks would have to take them somewhere where they were not known.

But I think mrssmith is right, a lot depends on the doc. Some really believe that they can handle it--as in "don't worry, I won't let you get addicted." Others just don't care or don't want to be bothered--thinking that some patients will jut get their fix elsewhere. Probably some fall into internal biases--thinking that Mr. So and So who is a professional businessman is not the "type" who gets hooked. Glad the DEA is becoming more active in monitoring. But longterm I think docs are going to need more training in the whole area of pain/addiction.
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We can run MAPS reports, which is nice, again, only some of the doctors utilize this, not all. But if we run a MAPS we can see any narcotic filled, where it was filled, and who prescribed it. If it's a bunch of narcotics with different doctors on every fill and different locations, it's a big red flag.

We also have people that know about MAPS and "sit" on their prescriptions. They'll come in a few times a week for a few weeks, docs will check MAPS, see nothing in awhile, write them scripts, but then if you look back at the charts for all the recent visits, you see they have 6 prescriptions that haven't been filled and aren't showing up on MAPS.

I agree this is a good discussion, and probably not one we need right now, but I think we are trying to make any sense of this tragedy in our heads. I've wondered since day 1 of the pot ops if they were also dabbling in other things, and because heroine and opiates are such a problem in our country right now, especially in rural areas, it's been on my mind.

Regardless of what they were doing, they were a family that was loved and was filled with love, and they absolutely 100% did not deserve this.
 
Everyday Grace said:
Indeed they did. Reporter @jayfug tweeted that one was shouted at them from a pickup.

On the other hand, @hollyzacharia with the Columbus Dispatch was invited inside for the service by the family. I will not be surprised if @chrisgraves was also invited inside.

Delicate balance.
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I think many people are angry at the way this has been portrayed.

You can tell the Rhoden's were good people. They lived an average normal country life. While the pot growing surprised some, there were plenty I'm sure that knew about it to one extent or the other JMO. It didn't make them bad people.

Yes, I know, it's against the law, but I would personally rather have friends smoking a joint that downing a bottle. JMO.
 
mrssmith23 said:
You're right. It's sad and strange. I believe in Canada you can buy Tylenol #3 OTC, here it's considered a narcotic, but not in the same class as Norco or Percocet.

I agree that pot does not typically cause murders over it unless it's scenarios like you mentioned (lots of product, lots of money, large operation with multiple people involved.) I don't think that anyone I know growing pot has ever been in fear for their life over it, though medicinally it's legal here so most people that smoke grow for themselves and close friends. Of course there is still heavy activity out in Detroit that is far different than it is out here, and that I would classify as dangerous.
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Well areas like Detroit, that involves big commercial stuff, which Detroit.. Also still sticks in my mind in this case and Gary.

For the cartel to be involved doesn't mean the cartel has to be in the area. The cartel is involved in many big intercity operations. If they aren't bringing pot in from Mexico, it is going to be grown here and it isn't going to be grown in the intercity for those large operations.
 
KKearns said:
Well areas like Detroit, that involves big commercial stuff, which Detroit.. Also still sticks in my mind in this case and Gary.

For the cartel to be involved doesn't mean the cartel has to be in the area. The cartel is involved in many big intercity operations. If they aren't bringing pot in from Mexico, it is going to be grown here and it isn't going to be grown in the intercity for those large operations.
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And there is SO much drug trafficking in Detroit because of the Canadian border.
 
mrssmith23 said:
I've wondered since day 1 of the pot ops if they were also dabbling in other things, and because heroine and opiates are such a problem in our country right now, especially in rural areas, it's been on my mind.
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I'm really almost waiting for them to tell us there were other drugs involved. All that grow pot aren't into other drugs, but many that grow illegal commercial operations are into other drugs, if for no other reason more money to put in their grow op.
 
cady said:
Brit with Daily Mail????? JMO
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I wouldn't be surprised. He kept asking questions either the sheriff or AG had literally just finished explaining they weren't going to answer. At one point the sheriff looked over like he was going to attack him. You could almost see the sheriff realizing he couldn't punch him, but he wanted to.
 
cady said:
LOL at least they didn't shoot 'em. JMO
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The day isn't over yet.......just kidding.
Media will become more aggressive now that funerals are over.
i wonder what tomorrow will bring.
 
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