Found Deceased OR - Katharine 'Katy' Roe, 22, Depoe Bay, 17 April 2016

[Steleheart]

Katy Roe goes missing after 2 AM and Owen Woods is last seen around 3:30 AM in a town with a population of 1400. Could be a coincidence. But what are the odds that two 22 year olds - a man and a woman - both go missing in such a small community within an hour and a half. I doubt if that community has had a missing person like this in years, maybe over a decade. Certainly strange.

Odds. We could start with 50/50 and then look at the timing and location, Any known connection between the 2, none. He was not known to be in the bar, he likely did not drive there before her last text,,,- I am left with odds that tell me there is no reason to bet. I would not place a bet until I have more info.

I dunno, how do others pick from Odds? Maybe pick the prettiest horse !?

MOO

 

[JLSChook]

Marking my spot and praying Katy is found safe and sound. Not getting a good vibe from this one, unfortunately.

 

[ninij9]

Odds. We could start with 50/50 and then look at the timing and location, Any known connection between the 2, none. He was not known to be in the bar, he likely did not drive there before her last text,,,- I am left with odds that tell me there is no reason to bet. I would not place a bet until I have more info.

I dunno, how do others pick from Odds? Maybe pick the prettiest horse !?

MOO

Except that both of their last known location was on the same road, Highway 101. That's enough for me to at least place a wager...

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[Steleheart]

Except that both of their last known location was on the same road, Highway 101. That's enough for me to at least place a wager...

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OK but it's a long road with an hour and a half between.. What else - It's your money. It's long odds IMO.

 

[ninij9]

OK but it's a long road with an hour and a half between.. What else - It's your money. It's long odds IMO.

It's all I got for now.

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[koalasleuth]

Except that both of their last known location was on the same road, Highway 101. That's enough for me to at least place a wager...

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Her last text was at 2.12 am, Mr Woods was seen driving through depoe bay after travelling from lincoln city by a sheriff at 3.30 am after having left his "phone and jam box stacked neatly at the side of highway 101" near lincoln city. We can speculate that assuming they did want to meet up they would have wanted to stay in contact until being picked up, that being the case then why leave his phone near lincoln city ? We are also talking like they are from the same area, they are not, he is from lincoln city, she from depoe bay which just so happens to be along his route and the last place he was seen. The only very slight thing linking the two really is age and also perhaps personal disposition, she being a sweet lass and him seeming a sweet lad. There is absolutely nothing anywhere to suggest they even knew of eachother which imo discounts any speculation that they met. The LE have checked Katy's phone records and would definitely have known if they had contacted each other, they have not mentioned this and I think definitely would have, I assume LE would also not be so committed to finding Katy had she gone willingly with Mr wood's which they would know. It is her disappearance without trace that goes against all known facts, including families descriptions of her and all known last contact. EDA he is actually from mcminnville further from depoe bay than lincoln city is.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I think certain cases on the East side of the US receive more attention because of the main mass media markets here. Stuff that happens in California, Oregon, and Washington seems pretty far away and people here figure you all will handle it. Just an attitude I've noticed.

I don't necessarily agree because LA is the #2 biggest media market in the country and there are so many extremely high-profile cases from California. I think that location plays a role in that if it's difficult for the media to travel to where the case is, it can severely limit the amount of coverage. Also, I would imagine "the powers that be" that decide what cases get attention live in cities or in the suburbs so when there is a case that is happening in an extremely remote area, they cannot relate to the people living there.

 

[JeannaT]

In theory, if she were still watching the moon over the water at 3:30, would his route through town have taken him past where she was sitting/standing outside? Or walking toward her grandparent's home?

 

[wendybtn]

ETA: Just jumping off your post in general;

What If we only went on what we know. We have no information as to any more than one drink each.

Based on what we know, then, if we want to speculate, What IF she babied her drink until she left?

"Let’s go home.’ And she said, ‘Grandma, I want to stay and finish my drink and hang out a little while"
http://koin.com/2016/04/18/woman-22-missing-in-depoe-bay/

What IF she ordered cola? Is that possible? Quite possibly., IMO

What IF she didn't meet anyone but stopped to watch the ocean and the moon?

"A few minutes later she said she got another text that “the moon looked beautiful over the ocean, she might stand and look for a minute.”
http://koin.com/2016/04/18/woman-22-missing-in-depoe-bay/

Pictures of the texts start at abt. 1:20 in the video.
http://koin.com/2016/04/18/woman-22-missing-in-depoe-bay/

In My Opinion, as a Sleuth I think that speculation should be based on what we know. Speculation based on nothing but abstract "what if's" with no facts or indication of the plausibility is nothing more than creative fiction. I do not know how that helps.

The idea that the 2 missing persons were connected was quite plausible, but LE in MSM has said that so far there is no known connection. I have searched and searched and can fine no connection in name, location, history or friends.

"Authorities said there does not appear to be any connection between Woods’ disappearance and that of Katy Roe, who went missing around the same time.."
http://koin.com/2016/04/18/police-searching-for-missing-mcminnville-man/

So we are left with "what ifs". With that, how do we help? Earlier there was discussion of the waves and weather. Based on what we know that is a reasonable angle to follow, IMO.

But "What If" she met a guy... That leaves me no angle or speculation based on fact from which I can sleuth or formulate some tip I may submit. What guy? who was there? LE knows but I don't know. And there's noting to support it.

All MOO except for links.

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My two sentence post was intended to show we don't know where she really was, if she was under duress when she typed those, nor do we know if she was really alone. If she did not go into the water based on the first 12 hour search, if someone took her she co uhh of be literally anywhere in a certain range in any condition. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[JnRyan]

I don't know if this already been posted, but here is the best overview I've seen about what LE is doing:

http://www.thenewsguard.com/news/ka...cle_3a979514-08d5-11e6-95c9-a7c5a6806607.html

The fact that LE would state that there is no evidence that there is a connection between Owen Woods and Katy Roe says that they have at least considered it. I did note that LE qualifies that statement by saying "At this time...". Unless LE has a lot more information/evidence than they revealed so far, they have very little evidence at this point. I just believe that with the evidence revealed so far, LE cannot conclude they are connected, but they cannot definitely rule it out. And even if LE can prove that no connection exists - common friends, for example - a chance encounter between strangers cannot be ruled out. I can't say they are connected, but I have to keep an open mind here that it may be connected in some way.

 

[koalasleuth]

On Katy's official missing FB page it states she was last seen walking in depoe bay rather than last being seen leaving wing wah lounge. No mention of anyone else with her. https://www.facebook.com/bringkatyhome/timeline . This is her new Official missing website. http://www.bringkatyhome.com/

 

[koalasleuth]

I don't know if this already been posted, but here is the best overview I've seen about what LE is doing:

http://www.thenewsguard.com/news/ka...cle_3a979514-08d5-11e6-95c9-a7c5a6806607.html

The fact that LE would state that there is no evidence that there is a connection between Owen Woods and Katy Roe says that they have at least considered it. I did note that LE qualifies that statement by saying "At this time...". Unless LE has a lot more information/evidence than they revealed so far, they have very little evidence at this point. I just believe that with the evidence revealed so far, LE cannot conclude they are connected, but they cannot definitely rule it out. And even if LE can prove that no connection - common friends, for example - a chance encounter between strangers cannot be ruled out. I can't say they are connected, but I have to keep an open mind here that it may be connected in some way.

Everything you say is right and it all fits with what we have gathered here. Which isn't much really. If someone could find out if the shell garage has cctv on the road we might find out if she made it that far as the only other route we know she did not take

 

[Lilibet]

I think there are four options for such a quick and complete disappearance: Katy either disappeared with a human or in the ocean, willingly or unwillingly.

So far, there is no known indication that she went willingly with anyone, including Owen. That leaves abduction. There is no indication that she was accidentally caught by a sneaker wave. That leaves suicide by ocean.

So with the limited information we have, she could have been abducted on her walk home or decided to end her life while watching the moon. At this point, I think the latter is more likely, sadly. I would like to be wrong, but neither option is a good one.
All JMO

 

[JnRyan]

What doesn't look good is that she was wearing mostly black - black shoes, black pants and black vest. She did have a long sleeve white shirt, but if the vest were zipped up all the way only the sleeves might show. Not the ideal attire to be walking on roads at night. And on an early Sunday morning when there is chance of a motorist who might be driving while over the DUI limit. I say this knowing that I've gone out walking either from someone's place or from a disabled vehicle and haven't given a thought to wearing bright clothing to be seen more easily.

http://koin.com/2016/04/18/woman-22-missing-in-depoe-bay/

 

[Lilibet]

On Katy's official missing FB page it states she was last seen walking in depoe bay rather than last being seen leaving wing wah lounge. No mention of anyone else with her. https://www.facebook.com/bringkatyhome/timeline . This is her new Official missing website. http://www.bringkatyhome.com/

BBM

The official website says she was last seen leaving the lounge.
http://www.bringkatyhome.com/services.html

The FB page refers to her last contact by text message while she was walking home, but it doesn't say she was seen on that walk. Splitting hairs, I know. The way the poster reads is confusing and could lead to the impression she had been "seen" walking home, but I don't think she was...that we have heard of anyway. JMO
https://www.facebook.com/bringkatyhome/posts/612839032205127

 

[Steleheart]

That's a lot of feedback for a two sentence post. Do you want a response or were you just making sure I understand how really incorrect my post was? My two sentence post was intended to show we don't know where she really was, if she was under duress when she typed those, nor do we know if she was really alone. If she did not go into the water based on the first 12 hour search, if someone took her she co uhh of be literally anywhere in a certain range in any condition. Nothing more, nothing less.

As I said I was "just jumping off your post". Which means I was using it in general as a starting point, not specifically that post. It's not personal - not at all. Apologies if you misunderstood that.

 

[JnRyan]

I just went to Google Maps and plotted a walking route from Wing Wa to where I believe Katy's grandparents live. (Using media reports I found their names and did a Google search to come up with a possible address.) Using that I don't believe there is going to be much chance of a video unless one of the businesses between Wing Wa and the residence. Going south from Wing Wa you can walk on sidewalks, but once you cross over the bridge over the inlet about halfway there is no more sidewalk. So at that point I assume Katy would have cut over to SW Coast Avenue and walked the rest of the way from the bridge. If that happened she would not have walked in front of the Shell station. If so, the only videos would be from businesses between Wing Wa and the bridge. 1.2 mile walk according to Google or about 25 minutes. I wish I knew how to capture Google Maps and paste a copy here. In any event, I am making a couple of assumptions here anyway.

 

[Lilibet]

I just went to Google Maps and plotted a walking route from Wing Wa to where I believe Katy's grandparents live. (Using media reports I found their names and did a Google search to come up with a possible address.) Using that I don't believe there is going to be much chance of a video unless one of the businesses between Wing Wa and the residence. Going south from Wing Wa you can walk on sidewalks, but once you cross over the bridge over the inlet about halfway there is no more sidewalk. So at that point I assume Katy would have cut over to SW Coast Avenue and walked the rest of the way from the bridge. If that happened she would not have walked in front of the Shell station. If so, the only videos would be from businesses between Wing Wa and the bridge. 1.2 mile walk according to Google or about 25 minutes. I wish I knew how to capture Google Maps and paste a copy here. In any event, I am making a couple of assumptions here anyway.

I could have sworn someone already posted a map with the walking route, but now I can't find it. The map was just what you are saying. Any video after crossing the bridge and walking through neighborhoods would have to be from homes I think. I hope LE has canvassed this area. I assume they or the family have.

ETA: Found the map. It was earlier on the thread than I thought. See if this matches what you're describing.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...poe-Bay-17-April-2016&p=12474597#post12474597

 

[Lilibet]

Here's a more direct link to the route map. Click "open" in the right corner and you will get the satellite view.
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Win...1!1s0x54ea7d5c3e392b2d:0x7b80aed2f02afb33!3e0

What intrigues me are the Scenic View Parks along the way that provide access to the land right above the ocean. There is one directly across from the Wing Wah and another further south before crossing the bridge. You can see them when you expand the map a little.
Scroll down to see the parks listed. http://www.cityofdepoebay.org/pages/parks.html

And I found another one after the bridge on Coast Road that isn't labeled on the map. It's behind the hotel near the fire station. Any of these Scenic View Parks could be dangerous at that time of night, either from an accidental fall or an encounter with a person.

"The clearing itself is perhaps 20 feet long by ten feet. There's a sheer drop below, hidden by trees, and a couple of cleared spots that seem like pathways, which essentially lead you to nothing, except maybe your doom, if you try to venture down."

http://www.beachconnection.net/news/depscenic020916_328.php

 

[koalasleuth]

Here's a more direct link to the route map. Click "open" in the right corner and you will get the satellite view.
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Win...1!1s0x54ea7d5c3e392b2d:0x7b80aed2f02afb33!3e0

What intrigues me are the Scenic View Parks along the way that provide access to the land right above the ocean. There is one directly across from the Wing Wah and another further south before crossing the bridge. You can see them when you expand the map a little.
Scroll down to see the parks listed. http://www.cityofdepoebay.org/pages/parks.html

And I found another one after the bridge on Coast Road that isn't labeled on the map. It's behind the hotel near the fire station. Any of these Scenic View Parks could be dangerous at that time of night, either from an accidental fall or an encounter with a person.

"The clearing itself is perhaps 20 feet long by ten feet. There's a sheer drop below, hidden by trees, and a couple of cleared spots that seem like pathways, which essentially lead you to nothing, except maybe your doom, if you try to venture down."

http://www.beachconnection.net/news/depscenic020916_328.php

Check post made earlier about channel house b and b. CCTV was checked but nothing. Also remember Her last text was after twelve minutes walking which places her around depoe bay bridge or just after, but she was tiny so would assume it would place her on the north side of that bridge. Those viewing spots are of interest though and there is one just on the north side of that bridge. I do think they could be dangerous in terms of being isolated.