Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #11

[YellowDog]

I agree about the missing link(s). Did he do this, or just telling another bizarre story that's what someone wants to hear. If he did, what sets him off, etc. Like you say, he could rob her without killing her. I don't think there's any way at this stage that we can know if he has some kind of episodes he can't control (whether blackouts, disoriented episodes, psychotic episodes, flashbacks, or whatever) or if he gets delirious from drugs or lack of sleep or mania and thinks a situation is something that it's not, or if he has some kind of misplaced self-defense reaction to some stimuli due to experiences in his life.....or if he has a panic sort of thing or rage thing when put in certain situations. Or some killers are obsessive compulsive, they have a compulsion to do certain bizarre things. Of course some are schizophrenic and hear voices telling them "Kill so and so before she kills you!"..... No telling. Could be steroids...who knows. Elbowing someone in the nose is kind of unusual isn't it, most of us would probably not think to do that move even to defend ourselves, it seems more like a trained fighting technique, doesn't it, or something someone might do who was used to being jumped on a lot and having to defend themselves. Wonder where he picked that up (if it even happened like that). It seems like it would almost be easier to hit someone in the nose with your elbow by accident than on purpose IMO

And why do it? What would be the purpose for hitting someone in the nose with his elbow? If you're going to rob, just rob, if you're going to kill, just kill, but why that? Doesn't make any sense so far does it

Talking about the wijn (I mean wine) in P DeVries face (told you guys I'd been watching too many of those Dutch media clips), and Joran's comments to P DeVries, as well as Joran's comments regarding being interrogated "rudely" in Peru, being treated rudely seems to not sit well with him, that's true.

The wine throwing incident was interesting. Joran is actually polite and well spoken in interviews, maybe he was held to hard standards himself when he was a child and can't handle other people being rude. The challenging way he called PDeVries on his comments in the wine-throwing interview was interesting. When he asked him "When it turns out your accusations against me are wrong, are you going to apologize then, would you be man enough to do that?" And DeVries said "Yes I would" and Joran snapped right back immediately, "I don't think so." The quickness of his response, it was a little charming and funny as well as insulting and dismissive, and also kind of like trying to provoke a fight. Anyway, puzzling. He seems to really dislike rudeness.

Maybe she caught him going through her purse, tried to take it away from him, he shoved her back with his elbow hitting her in the face. He's a big, strong looking guy and could have packed quite a wallop with his elbow.

 

[frenchvixen]

I agree 100% with you ....While Joran is sitting in his cell today, with all the inhumanity activity going on around him...he could be reflecting on his life..and what he should/could have done....but I have a feeling he is putting all his thoughts/attention...just..figuring out...how to STAY ALIVE/keep from getting raped/eaten alive by rats/insects......in that he- - hole...

His actions have put him there...He has NO ONE to blame..

I really don't wish for him to be raped but in prison I can see him being an attractive catch (yuck). He's strapping, has notoriety, not bad looking and is white. Many minorities feel that is quite a catch to have a white person as their mate/***** (sorry mods). I think he is in for quite some trouble there.

 

[one_girl_rev]

Disorientated, yes. I think JVDS hand was sore due to the severe beating and neck breaking. (Based on several accounts that SF was beaten, however did anyone see any bruising on JVDS hands,,,I didn't?)There is a pause in the video with the hand and JVDS looks down. Quite telling actually.

Where is the coffee video?

 

[newone]

Disorientated, yes. I think JVDS hand was sore due to the severe beating and neck breaking. (Based on several accounts that SF was beaten, however did anyone see any bruising on JVDS hands,,,I didn't?)There is a pause in the video with the hand and JVDS looks down. Quite telling actually.

No I didn't see any bruising -- am thinking he was hurting too after delivering such a whalloping

 

[FLNY]

how in the world did i miss the recreation! Does anyone know where it is without knocking ourselves out looking for it?

This might be what you're looking for. Although not actually verified, others thought this to be a 'real' photo and not a re-creation.

http://guanabee.com/2010/06/joran-van-der-sloot-enquirer/

 

[YellowDog]

The mere fact that he is not criminally insane means he is toast.

Joran is in the big leagues now, no more young girls to charm, no more manipulating the system.

The devil runs the system where he is going and money doesn't spend in hell.... The devil deals in a different coin.


:grouphug:

I mean look at his size. They may well be afraid of him.

 

[frenchvixen]

This was announced by head of INPE, Ruben Rodriguez
Joran van der Sloot is in a cell close to hitman Hugo Trujillo

http://translate.google.com/transla...l/2010/06/11/3/9228.htm&sourceid=ie8-activity

How apropos..

 

[star444]

He also played under the name of Joran888. Some have wondered if AANOTILTKK is an anagram. I'm not good with that sort of thing. Maybe some of our super sleuths can figure it out.

I play poker online a lot and when I look at that screen name I see:

AANOTILTKK
AA = Ace Ace
NO TILT = you won't rattle me
KK = King King

Not to mention the fact that with a screen name that begins with "AA" he would appear near the top of most alphabetical lists.

 

[Dtronic]

I really don't wish for him to be raped but in prison I can see him being an attractive catch (yuck). He's strapping, has notoriety, not bad looking and is white. Many minorities feel that is quite a catch to have a white person as their mate/***** (sorry mods). I think he is in for quite some trouble there.

Even if he didn't kill a rich and powerful member of Peruvian society, there is more notoriety in being the person to kill someone famous than a piece of +++.

When you take into consideration who he murdered, it puts it into a whole other ball game.

 

[one_girl_rev]

Who knows, it can be in any one of the 5 languages he speaks! jmo

abbie

One of Joran's other internet screenames is AAStuntSoHardKK. AANOTILTKK is close but not quite... I don't know what the NO TIL is...

 

[hollyblue]

I think you are right, the article I read said the judge decides and no trials. I went and researched and it spoke of other crimes and mentioned 3 judge panel. Thanks

Curious...aren't they allowed testimony from the defense at this time? TIA

 

[costalpilot]

Why does he even try to float that stupid story, as if finding out his personal info was reason to hit her or kill her. Its like he thinks his story justifies what he did to her. jmo

abbie

i think he spent the whole time he was fleeing trying to come up with what sounds like the best reason (that makes sense to him) for him to kill her.

what he came up with is a true indication of his psychotic narcissism. it sounds best to him. imagine saying this to yourself:

"yeah...I killed her because she invaded my personal space. thats the best explanation I can come up with."

and, to you, this sounds good.

 

[Patty G]

Taiwan News
Associated Press
2010-06-12 05:29 AM

Police say Van der Sloot brutally murdered Flores three days after meeting her at a casino. He broke her nose, strangled her, threw her to the floor then emptied her wallet and drove away in her SUV, said Gen. Cesar Guardia, chief of the criminal police.

The 6-foot-3 (190-centimeter-tall) Van der Sloot took about $300 worth of Peruvian currency ($103.00 US), two credit cards and Flores' national ID card, Guardia said. He said the suspect abandoned her car in a lower-class Lima neighborhood before fleeing south to Chile by bus.

http://www.etaiwannews.com/etn/news_content.php?id=1285805&lang=eng_news

 

[Kat]

I didn't realize he is 6 foot 3 inches. That's a big guy. JMHO.

 

[BloodshotEye]

He also played under the name of Joran888. Some have wondered if AANOTILTKK is an anagram. I'm not good with that sort of thing. Maybe some of our super sleuths can figure it out.

Here is a link, just to have in your back pocket. There are lots of them. Google "anagram solver".
link to an anagram solver:
http://wordsmith.org/anagram/

I'm likin' "A Total Kink".

 

[Lori59]

Hope this hasn't been posted already.....this is vds being taken to jail with other prisoners..pretty intense..

[ame]www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMc17IanwjU[/ame]

 

[costalpilot]

I mean look at his size. They may well be afraid of him.

apparently you have never watched "LOcked Up Abroad."

"they" are not afraid of anything. much less a soft, middle class gringo whose specialty is killing women.

 

[nums24]

Where is the coffee video?

Here you go:

http://translate.google.com/transla...r-llaves-cuarto-donde-asesino-stephany-flores

 

[suzihawk]

Disorientated, yes. I think JVDS hand was sore due to the severe beating and neck breaking. (Based on several accounts that SF was beaten, however did anyone see any bruising on JVDS hands,,,I didn't?)There is a pause in the video with the hand and JVDS looks down. Quite telling actually.

Interesting you should mention that... His hand, specifically the knuckle of his left forefinger looks a bit swollen to me in this picture. It was his left hand he was using to knock on the door. Then again, maybe it's just the death grip he's got on his britches.

 

[KR2tonenow]

Taiwan News
Associated Press
2010-06-12 05:29 AM

Police say Van der Sloot brutally murdered Flores three days after meeting her at a casino. He broke her nose, strangled her, threw her to the floor then emptied her wallet and drove away in her SUV, said Gen. Cesar Guardia, chief of the criminal police.

The 6-foot-3 (190-centimeter-tall) Van der Sloot took about $300 worth of Peruvian currency ($103.00 US), two credit cards and Flores' national ID card, Guardia said. He said the suspect abandoned her car in a lower-class Lima neighborhood before fleeing south to Chile by bus.

http://www.etaiwannews.com/etn/news_content.php?id=1285805&lang=eng_news

After obtaining 25k from the FBI, what's $300.00? JVDS must have been completely broke. Do you think they will have to prove he spent all his 25K in the trial?