Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #5

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That's right, that's why I posted that MAP. If he indeed purchased the 2 coffees from Wong, it was not nearby so he might have driven her car there. It was around 8 am, so I'm thinking Wong might have been closed at that time, so IMO it is more likely he went to the gas station that was mentioned first, and in that video they show what looks like a MiniMart not a Wong, unless as I said, he drove her car from the Hotel to Wong.

Garcia is mentioned in the news because he is a "key witness". In the previous thread, I posted about him. What you see iin that video clip is him leaving the DIRITRI (sp?) after giving his testimony to LE, and refusing to answer questions from reporters. He eventually talked to "America Noticias". Will try find that post and repost it here. According to what he said, he (Garcia) played poker with Stephany on 4 occasions (at the Fiesta Casino and the Atlantic City casino), no mention of Joran being there with them on those ocassions. I have never heard (so far) anything about Steph and Amsterdam.

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Found the links:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5252055&highlight=Elton+Garcia#post5252055

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5252082&highlight=Elton+Garcia#post5252082

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5252110&highlight=Elton+Garcia#post5252110

Note: All these info might change when more details become known, as it happens in all cases, all preliminary information is not 100% accurate.

Thank you Hazel for the info and links; and your right...in fact, I would bet the info changes again. lol
 
I wonder if there was an interest in setting up somekind of "not too honest" games. Joran thinks hes experienced, perhaps his intention was to recruit a local girl to help him pull something off. If she backed off he could have been afraid she was going to blow the whistle on him.

I am not buying the sex refusal, girls are a dime a dozen in a place like that and he should have had plenty of money if he really got the 25,000.00.


I hope they release the coffee run tapes, I would like to see what he takes with him, I can't see him leaving a girl he doesnt' know in his room alone with his stuff for 40 minutes.
 
wow, that video is interesting
wonder what he's saying to them
he seems so calm
I can tell you Joran has a good Spanish accent, much better than an American speaking Spanish, that's for sure! lol Well in fact, Dutch people in general are very good at learning languages, I don't know why, but most Dutch people can speak more than 3 languages.
 
I can tell you Joran has a good Spanish accent, much better than an American speaking Spanish, that's for sure! lol Well in fact, Dutch people in general are very good at learning languages, I don't know why, but most Dutch people can speak more than 3 languages.

I can tell you why. Mandatory foreign languages in Dutch Schools starting at 6/7 grade till 12th grade. I had English, French and German growing up in Holland. Joran surely had mandatory Spanish at the international school in Aruba.
 
so, is there really any substance to jorans stories of selling girls to this mystery man that he could never identify? or was it just an attempt to confuse the situation with nh? isnt thailand a hub of human trafficking? it is clear that he is a chronic gambler - but this gambling circuit seems to be held in some of the well known sex/human trafficking hubs around the world... idk, ive never decided if he was really involved with that or not... anyone have a more educated opinion that could help me get off the fence on this aspect? tia
 
I listened to that radio talk show at 8 p.m. and Dave H. had an interesting point. He stated that due to the fact that 5/30 was the 5 yr. anniversary of Natalee missing, television stations worldwide were reporting on it starting around 8 a.m. that day.

He said he wondered if possibly when JVDS left to get coffee, possibly Stephany might have still been alive at that point and saw something on tv and confronted him when he returned, which might have set him off.

Personally I think she was killed earlier than 8 a.m. but it is an interesting angle to consider.
 
I wonder when the tox results will come back from Stephany?

She was stoned she fell and hit her head.

Geez I wish with all my heart this had never happened.
 
wow, that video is interesting
wonder what he's saying to them
he seems so calm
His Spanish is not good (bad use of pronouns, verbs) though he doesn't have a bad accent at all, even people in the comments section are saying they are impressed by his good accent.
Too many people are talking at the same time in that video, it's hard to understand exactly what Joran is saying. First he is asked if the laptop is HP, he says si (yes), then he is telling where the bills are from: Colombia,..., Bolivia, then he confirms those are documents in that brown folder that LE is showing. LE counts how many bills there are, and how many photos (7).

He is asked for his cards, credit cards, and he says he doesn't have them here, and gives some explanation (sorry, I can't understand) something about what happened in Santiago, that "salimos tarde" it was late when we left ... in a rush ... and he had to show ...

Then the reporter explains why Joran was taken by land to Lima, that LE got lots of criticism for that. He says those are methods used by LE so they have a chance to talk to him and gain his trust.
 
Do you think he could confess to killing Natalee and Aruba serve arrest warrant and have him go to Aruba be tried and convicted and have to serve his sentence in Aruba first since Natalee's happened first. If I was Joran I would give it a try. Aruba's prison's would be so much better for him.
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Hey McGraw, I would doubt it.

Peru's first, up to 35 years for murder and he was looking at 6 years if lucky for the extortion attempt.

With PVS dead, JVS could contort a lot of new variations of lies.
I'm interested to hear more about the US extortion attempt.
 
I listened to that radio talk show at 8 p.m. and Dave H. had an interesting point. He stated that due to the fact that 5/30 was the 5 yr. anniversary of Natalee missing, television stations worldwide were reporting on it starting around 8 a.m. that day.

He said he wondered if possibly when JVDS left to get coffee, possibly Stephany might have still been alive at that point and saw something on tv and confronted him when he returned, which might have set him off.

Personally I think she was killed earlier than 8 a.m. but it is an interesting angle to consider.
Thanks for posting what Dave said. He does have an interesting point, but I too believe Stephany was killed earlier in the morning. There was a report of an argument in the room though, but sadly we'll never know what it was about or if Stephany had found out too late who Joran is. :(
 
What I don't get is how can an argument in a hotel room be heard but not everything being thrown around the room. From what I understood in earlier reports the entire room was trashed.

I have a question about the hotel room picture with the cigarettes on the nightstand - is that the room, 309?
 
wow, that video is interesting
wonder what he's saying to them
he seems so calm

That is really diabolical............
Calm makes me think he has seen more than 1 dead battered up girl..........
 
I wonder when the tox results will come back from Stephany?

She was stoned she fell and hit her head.

Geez I wish with all my heart this had never happened.

Hi BB.

I had read within a two week period.
 
Thanks for posting what Dave said. He does have an interesting point, but I too believe Stephany was killed earlier in the morning. There was a report of an argument in the room though, but sadly we'll never know what it was about or if Stephany had found out too late who Joran is. :(

After gambling, argument and drinking all night, would someone deliberately get up early and watch news???
IMO, JVS never slept..........and poor Stephany was dead early.
 
What the heck is with Jorans pants? You have to stop at 1:44 and looked at Jorans backside. Its when he is inside the plane, he moves his B*** back out and you can see, well IDK. My brother said they are all talking about it at work...But you have to pause it to really see it. Dont forget to make pic bigger though.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20006846-504083.html?tag=latest

They took away his belt and the string from his hoodie. Apparently he was going 'commando' that day. Yet another bad choice he made.

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Speaking of pictures... this one absolutely terrifies me. Bone Chilling!

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I wonder when the tox results will come back from Stephany?

She was stoned she fell and hit her head.

Geez I wish with all my heart this had never happened.

If that would of happened, why didn't he call for help?
SHOUT OUT in THE HALLWAY?
Run for help instaed of running away?
JMOO, but I REALLY think he is a cold blooded killer.
 
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