Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #9

[nervous_nellie]

That is what I have read in several articles as well. Cancelled because the confession is so thorough and convincing (matching the wounds inflicted on her body).

I think it comes down to this, he wasn't planning to kill her when they went in the room, something that we will never know for sure set him off, and he did beat her to death in a fit of rage.

They can go to the room and he can start his story from I walked in the door, it is a tiny room, only so many places the struggle started, he can be honest about the physical part and be lying about what set the events in motion. There is no way to prove what set them in motion.

That being high is a benefit to the accused is baffling to me, that responding to a *perceived* slight by the victim reduces the sentence to a possible five years is baffling to me.

Hopefully his reputation and world spotlight will lead the judge to sentence him to the longer sentence.

i agree with you on this...we still dont know WHY... and if jvds history proves accurate...we will prolly never know either....

 

[newone]

According to the link - he's getting good treatment - steaks and cigarettes if he wants them

 

[nervous_nellie]

According to the link - he's getting good treatment - steaks and cigarettes if he wants them

:rage: sounds so inhumane.... grrrrrr....

 

[nervous_nellie]

i was going to welcome you newone - till i saw that youve been here awhile! LOL thanx for finally posting!!!

 

[newone]

"This guy is very intelligent but at times has lapses," said Guardia. "And the truth is that he is not a person in possession of all his senses."

A psychological examination is pending, he said.
excerpted from link of post #660

Will an insanity plea mitigate his sentence?

 

[newone]

Thanks Nervous Nellie -- I was just too timid to post

 

[Waddles]

I do agree though that this is all most extraordinary. I mean I choked on my food reading the news about Stephany's murder and his involvement -it's just something I never expected. I thought he was a low life self-centered misogynistic sociopath who found his way out of an accidental killing by lying and manipulating and then wandered the earth getting involved in petty crime and I thought eventually the truth about Aruba would surface one day but I did not imagine this ever. And the charges for the money, and the anniversary of poor Natallee's death... really this whole thing is unreal, something out of a tv movie

 

[nervous_nellie]

"This guy is very intelligent but at times has lapses," said Guardia. "And the truth is that he is not a person in possession of all his senses."

A psychological examination is pending, he said.
excerpted from link of post #660

Will an insanity plea mitigate his sentence?

OH NO NO NO! grrrrrrr..... he knows right from wrong.... this really worries me.

no need to be too timid here - everyones opinions are valuable

 

[Peinay]

Looks like a typical drug transaction to me.
Theory: He wanted some- she knew who to get it from, since she's local. She returns with the baggie, passing it to him in a handshake. She's waiting for him to leave the table to get her 'cut' for getting it for him.
It's 'drug etiquette' to share with the person who got it for you.
I've done this so many times in clubs and casinos. (many years ago)

She didn't hand him anything at :37. They only shook hands. And the "cut" you are referring to, is it money? Because Stephany was well-to-do. If she was drug dealing, I don't think it would be as petty as that. She's in college, she takes part and has a role in her family's business, so I don't think she would make little drug runs for some little drug deal for anyone. Just my opinion though.

 

[2curious]

welcome to ws!

while i can see the connections that you are making and have no way to ultimately prove/disprove them.... i have to say that jvds has never just up and does the "right" thing for the sake of others, so for him to "confess" to this story - then he was made an offer that he couldnt refuse... a really sweet deal and he took it. and not the kind of deal like they threatened him or forced him to confess... but overall i do not think this is a set up. nope. sorry.

I agree with you nellie.
Why would someone have their own daughter killed?

 

[Peinay]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exAvcx0RmPc[/ame]

At 1:22 of this video, it has a different angle, and to me it looked like they just shook hands. I didn't see anything handed over to J.

 

[faw720]

I have a feeling we'll learn he has been formally charged when the presser takes place in the morning. It will be interesting to see if they charge him with robbery too.

Didn't I read on an earlier thread that in Peru, conviction of robbery can bring a life sentence???? That would be sweet!

 

[nervous_nellie]

I agree with you nellie.
Why would someone have their own daughter killed?

yeah, i think the comment from sf father about her being used as an instrument to solve nh disappearance is no more than a grieving father trying to make sense of it all... imho

 

[costalpilot]

Didn't I read on an earlier thread that in Peru, conviction of robbery can bring a life sentence???? That would be sweet!

thats absolutely what several networks have reported: murder associated with drugs or passion in Peru: not so bad. time off for weak character.

but murder and theft: very bad. apparently they like murderers better than thieves.

too bad for JVDS...doubt the steaks are gonna last much longer.

and he really should quit smoking. tobacco is bad for the lungs. it can kill you.

 

[butterfly7]

OH NO NO NO! grrrrrrr..... he knows right from wrong.... this really worries me.

no need to be too timid here - everyones opinions are valuable

You have a right to "grrrrrrrr" - Exactly what I was afraid would happen. Someone's mom shows up, re-enactment delayed 1st time - re-enactment delayed 2nd time and now re-enactment not going to happen. Peru believes his story, doing psych exam to find out what we already know about him and guess what's going to happen next??? (and don't think for a moment, he doesn't know how to play the game of a psych exam!!!)

Peru, you've done a great job and I have gained a lot of respect - don't let us all down now for ANYTHING!!!

 

[costalpilot]

I wonder if he made an amended confession. This time telling the truth with the crime scene and forensics backing it up.

good question. that would mean he is telling the truth, and thats a stretch.

still.....sounds like hes pretty much cooked his goose: murder and theft.

 

[LilJoePinto]

They can get a pretty accurate time of death on Stephany by examining her stomach contents.

Only if there are any contents in her stomach to examine. There are digestive variables attached to that as well. Drugs, illness, menstrual cycle, physical or psychological stress, etc. all effect how long it takes for the stomach to deal with food. After days decomposing in a hotel room how much of her actual stomach would still be left nevermind what may or may not be in it.

http://www.dplylemd.com/Articles/timelydeath.html
"Body Decomposition:
At death, the body begins to decompose. Bacteria go to work on the tissues and by 24 to 36 hours the smell of rotting flesh appears and the skin takes on a progressive greenish-red color. By 3 days, gas forms in the body cavities and beneath the skin, which may leak fluid and split. From there, things get worse. Add to this, predation by animals and insects and the body can become completely skeletonized before long. In hot, humid climes, this can happen in 3 or 4 weeks.

Stomach Contents:
The ME can often use the contents of the victims stomach to help determine time of death. After a meal, the stomach empties itself in approximately 4 to 6 hours, depending on the type and amount of food ingested. If a victim stomach contains largely undigested food material, then the death likely occurred within an hour or two of the meal. If the stomach is empty, the death likely occurred more than six hours after eating. Additionally, if the small intestine is also empty, death probably occurred some 12 hours or more after the last meal."

The fact remains that the most accurate estimation of time of death is going to be at best a window of a couple of hours under the best of circumstances, and clearly these were anything but the best of circumstances.

 

[costalpilot]

You have a right to "grrrrrrrr" - Exactly what I was afraid would happen. Someone's mom shows up, re-enactment delayed 1st time - re-enactment delayed 2nd time and now re-enactment not going to happen. Peru believes his story, doing psych exam to find out what we already know about him and guess what's going to happen next??? (and don't think for a moment, he doesn't know how to play the game of a psych exam!!!)

Peru, you've done a great job and I have gained a lot of respect - don't let us all down now for ANYTHING!!!

i haven't heard any talk that mental deficiency defences are the way to go down their. i really don't think they have cushy mental hospitals for thieving murderes. and has it been determined his mom got there?

not sure she made it.

 

[costalpilot]

Only if there are any contents in her stomach to examine. There are digestive variables attached to that as well. Drugs, illness, menstrual cycle, physical or psychological stress, etc. all effect how long it takes for the stomach to deal with food. After days decomposing in a hotel room how much of her actual stomach would still be left nevermind what may or may not be in it.

http://www.dplylemd.com/Articles/timelydeath.html
"Body Decomposition:
At death, the body begins to decompose. Bacteria go to work on the tissues and by 24 to 36 hours the smell of rotting flesh appears and the skin takes on a progressive greenish-red color. By 3 days, gas forms in the body cavities and beneath the skin, which may leak fluid and split. From there, things get worse. Add to this, predation by animals and insects and the body can become completely skeletonized before long. In hot, humid climes, this can happen in 3 or 4 weeks.

Stomach Contents:
The ME can often use the contents of the victims stomach to help determine time of death. After a meal, the stomach empties itself in approximately 4 to 6 hours, depending on the type and amount of food ingested. If a victim stomach contains largely undigested food material, then the death likely occurred within an hour or two of the meal. If the stomach is empty, the death likely occurred more than six hours after eating. Additionally, if the small intestine is also empty, death probably occurred some 12 hours or more after the last meal."

The fact remains that the most accurate estimation of time of death is going to be at best a window of a couple of hours under the best of circumstances, and clearly these were anything but the best of circumstances.

thats what I thought. i've never heard of a tod issued for a precise minute...its windows of a couple of hours at least.

imo.

 

[butterfly7]

i haven't heard any talk that mental deficiency defences are the way to go down their. i really don't think they have cushy mental hospitals for thieving murderes. and has it been determined his mom got there?

not sure she made it.

Cushy mental hospitals there - probably not. Just watch the deal that comes down. JMO