GUILTY (PLED) CT - Jeffrey, 56, & Jeanette Navin, 55, Easton, 4 Aug 2015

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****. My son came home saying that this weekend (he heard it from friends at a Halloween party) and I told him that wasn't true. I hate to think he had it right.
 
Cancan said:
****. My son came home saying that this weekend (he heard it from friends at a Halloween party) and I told him that wasn't true. I hate to think he had it right.
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The "butchering" or the child abuse?
 
What do you guys think about the detail that Jeffrey was shot in the pelvic area? Has sort of a dark implication.
 
I'm curious, are there any more recent pictures of Kyle? The only ones I ever see are of when he played hockey in high school I think.
 
Butchering. Specifically, he heard "in pieces." I don't know if he meant one or both of the victims and I did not want to push it.
 
[video=twitter;661261860281389057]https://twitter.com/davealtimari/status/661261860281389057[/video]
 
Momoffourboys said:
IMO The mother was intact and wrapped in a tarp. The father was "butchered" and in trash bags.

"The arrest warrant for Valiante says Kyle Navin disposed of the bodies at the vacant Weston home of a former friend by using silver duct tape to wrap his mother in a blue tarp and putting his father in contractor bags after binding his legs with three-inch painter tape."

http://www.courant.com/news/connect...avin-girlfriend-arraigned-20151102-story.html
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Ugh my mind didn't even go there - when I read trash bags, I just thought double bagged. Ugh.
 
MorkFromOrk said:
I know "we" do try to do our best for our children. Could KN have done better? I think so. Around here some people don't do their children justice in one way or the other. Some dont turn the matters over to professionals until it is way too late. Kids don't just kill their parents or plan to kill their parents. At least not often. Well except around here in CT some do. what about that? ( lanza not too far away, Granata, also not too far away all)( granata- um we know him too can you believe ?)

I mean this with no disrespect just as a fact. The investigation into child abuse does not surprise me in the least bit. They were abusive. The Mom definitely was and you can quote me too. She was the direct reason i would not let the kids get together anymore. Doesn't the priest state in the guilford papers they were abusive and cause him emotional injuries? A priest?

It looks like the N's gave him things and opportunities and that he was a "" ( in your words) who didnt apreciate, but all with a lot attached, including Dad's routes when he went away on vacation too. These great opportunities?A House in a really bad town, being his dad's lackey in the garbage business, and at least verbal punching bag- sometimes getting paid sometimes it appears not getting paid. I dont know. with all the things around here that the kids have grown up and gone off to do, and are becoming successful and independent at running...KN does state fire me and hire a driver. This is just a horrible story. It makes me ill.

KN was a very very quiet little boy. in elementary and middle school. I will say that. maybe the quietest of any kid that came over.

That part of the PD interviews when he gets very quiet slow flat affect- also signs of abuse.

Not to excuse one single thing he did at all. ever.
We know he abused drugs, But, I think he was abused too.
I also think he was used, possibly abused by the GF too.

I wonder where they lived before April 2015.

I know. This is from left field.
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This bothers me, especially questioning the "great" opportunities KN's parents gave him. Even if he were abused, plenty of people who have experienced abuse as children grow up to become productive adults who have jobs, homes, are not addicted to illegal drugs or murder their parents in cold blood.

Without his parents, KN most likely would not have had a job or income. He was not an indentured slave, who could not leave and go to work for someone else. But, most employers these days drugs test, and based on what we know now about his daily heroin consumption, he would never even passed an initial drug screening for employment.

As far as buying him a house in a crappy neighborhood- they were under no obligation to buy him a house period. Maybe KN chose that neighborhood because it put him in the perfect place to satisfy his addiction. Plus, in the video I have seen of the neighborhood, the house looks nice and the neighbor's appear normal enough.

As far as KN attending Penn College- it is an excellent school under the umbrella of Penn State and produces many quality graduates every year who want to go into trade or "hands on" work. So it wasn't UConn- that type of school is not for everyone, depending on what they want to do with the career. I know more than one Penn College grad and they are all doing well in their fields- landscape design, auto body repair and management, welding and metal engineering technology. One transferred to Penn College from Drexel because he wanted hands on experience and much less debt!

KN's parents attempted to do what many family members of addicts do- make their lives better or easier through enabling. Sadly, the fact that they attempted to make this 's life better or easier resulted in their murders!
 
I wonder how long KN has been using heroin. Did his parents know he was using heroin.
 
Without proof, I do not think I can blame or victimize the victims (the parents) about abuse. I have a son that is 16 and has been quite the handful for me since he was about 12. I have done everything in my power to try to teach him right-from-wrong. He is bound and determined right at this moment that I am the worst mom on the planet. Why? Because I try to "control" him. :rolleyes: His idea of control is that I will not allow him to drive his car without me (he only has a learner's permit), I will not allow him to buy cigarettes, I make him go to school, and I have the FindMyIphone app on his phone. Most of what he thinks is me controlling him is my refusal to allow him to do things that are illegal. He has told his friends that I am basically abusive because I am "controlling". He will tell anyone that listens that I do not want him in my house because "he is not good enough". Now, just 2 months ago, he was my little knight. He was kind, we had a great relationship, and we worked together. Teens are tough!

I do not know what went on behind closed doors in the Navin's house. However, to me, it seems that this "guy" just didn't adjust to well when it came to making good decisions on his own. I do not believe that his parents deserved what happened to them. This story just plain makes me sad. :(
 
His mother was talking to friends about his addiction and it has been stated repeatedly that they were looking to disinherit him because of his issues. I would not be surprised if both his parents knew and that caused problems with their employing him as well- most addicts are not known for their dependability at showing up for work.
 
cutter99 said:
His mother was talking to friends about his addiction and it has been stated repeatedly that they were looking to disinherit him because of his issues. I would not be surprised if both his parents knew and that caused problems with their employing him as well- most addicts are not known for their dependability at showing up for work.
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Right. The mother spoke about pain killer addiction. IMO Heroin is a whole other issue. I wonder if they tried to get him into rehab or would have tried, had they known he was using heroin.

Not that it matters now.
 
cutter99 said:
This bothers me, especially questioning the "great" opportunities KN's parents gave him. Even if he were abused, plenty of people who have experienced abuse as children grow up to become productive adults who have jobs, homes, are not addicted to illegal drugs or murder their parents in cold blood.

Without his parents, KN most likely would not have had a job or income. He was not an indentured slave, who could not leave and go to work for someone else. But, most employers these days drugs test, and based on what we know now about his daily heroin consumption, he would never even passed an initial drug screening for employment.

As far as buying him a house in a crappy neighborhood- they were under no obligation to buy him a house period. Maybe KN chose that neighborhood because it put him in the perfect place to satisfy his addiction. Plus, in the video I have seen of the neighborhood, the house looks nice and the neighbor's appear normal enough.

As far as KN attending Penn College- it is an excellent school under the umbrella of Penn State and produces many quality graduates every year who want to go into trade or "hands on" work. So it wasn't UConn- that type of school is not for everyone, depending on what they want to do with the career. I know more than one Penn College grad and they are all doing well in their fields- landscape design, auto body repair and management, welding and metal engineering technology. One transferred to Penn College from Drexel because he wanted hands on experience and much less debt!

KN's parents attempted to do what many family members of addicts do- make their lives better or easier through enabling. Sadly, the fact that they attempted to make this 's life better or easier resulted in their murders!
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I'm sorry if I offended anyone particularly as you know penn college. you are right. It's too bad that college choice for whatever reason was not a better fit for KN.

If you re read the thread - I didn't actually ever dis that college at all and never did say anything bad about the school. Originally someone else asked why he didn't go to a school like uconn.
 
cutter99 said:
This bothers me, especially questioning the "great" opportunities KN's parents gave him. Even if he were abused, plenty of people who have experienced abuse as children grow up to become productive adults who have jobs, homes, are not addicted to illegal drugs or murder their parents in cold blood.

Without his parents, KN most likely would not have had a job or income. He was not an indentured slave, who could not leave and go to work for someone else. But, most employers these days drugs test, and based on what we know now about his daily heroin consumption, he would never even passed an initial drug screening for employment.

As far as buying him a house in a crappy neighborhood- they were under no obligation to buy him a house period. Maybe KN chose that neighborhood because it put him in the perfect place to satisfy his addiction. Plus, in the video I have seen of the neighborhood, the house looks nice and the neighbor's appear normal enough.

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KN's parents attempted to do what many family members of addicts do- make their lives better or easier through enabling. Sadly, the fact that they attempted to make this 's life better or easier resulted in their murders!
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Respectfully snipped by me. I agree -- I have no idea about whether he was abused or not, but if it weren't for his own personal limitations and drug addiction, it would have been a very simple matter to get his parents to leave him alone. All he would have had to do is achieve financial independence and find a job for himself instead of having one handed to him -- something most adults do. He didn't have to accept their money for the house, and he didn't have to join the business. Those were his choices.
 
As far as buying him a house in a crappy neighborhood- they were under no obligation to buy him a house period. Maybe KN chose that neighborhood because it put him in the perfect place to satisfy his addiction. Plus, in the video I have seen of the neighborhood, the house looks nice and the neighbor's appear normal enough."

re read the thread and my posts - I also didn't say a house in a crappy neighborhood - I said a bad town.
I know Bport very well my husband grew up there. Everyone questioned why kn ended up there.

Definitely true people survive all sorts of abuse and go on to overcome it.
Some people don't fare so well.

some people become other things. Addicts. Murderers.
Who knows! I do know there's no reason to attack me.
Lord knows no one deserves to be murdered. And my thought of both j and j (whom I know) looking at their son (who I also know) fall apart and look into his eyes as he killed them breaks my heart.

How does that happen.?
 
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