Possibly related cases (GB4, Manorville, Bittrolff victims, & others)

[SK_Hunter]

Even before Zooming in, the coke nail was the first thing I noticed!

Now take a step further outside of the box and remember that SK's like to take mementos and trophies from their vics. But great eyes, took me awhile to see that. Your quick notice def confirms that, he is indeed "displaying" that finger.

 

[LINative13]

Coke Nails???

I am so nieve....I am so out of touch with what people are into these days; and I think I kind of like it.

 

[Theforeigner]

Coke Nails???

I am so nieve....I am so out of touch with what people are into these days; and I think I kind of like it.

Ad it indicate strogly that you are a pretty heavy user of the drug.:

 

[Just K]

Ad it indicate strogly that you are a pretty heavy user of the drug.:

Or Dealer....

 

[Theforeigner]

Just wanted to post this great map of the Atlantic City murder crime scene.

What I found interresting is the fact that the building to the left of the Golden Key Motel, at the time of the murders, was an "abandoned building".

So I wonder if the killer commited his murders here and/or stored his victims there until he dumped them behind the Golden Key Motel?

No info in the media on wheter LE searched and found anything of interest in that building and wheter they had dogs search the building.
It´s a shame LE are so very tightliped concerning the investigation of the AC4 murders

I would like to know who owned the abandoned building, and what kind of bizz etc it was prior to that it became abandoned?

If there is anyone located in the AC area, and you could find out, please post it here.

 

[En Passant]

Coke Nails???

I am so nieve....I am so out of touch with what people are into these days; and I think I kind of like it.

They have been using pinky finger nails since the 70's this is nothing new, I thought it to be outdated due to the fact that they smoke it more....70's 80's & early 90's snorting

Is it coke or something else the snort. I find it outdated......Naive ah....you think?

 

[BKS]

Just wanted to post this great map of the Atlantic City murder crime scene.

What I found interresting is the fact that the building to the left of the Golden Key Motel, at the time of the murders, was an "abandoned building".

So I wonder if the killer commited his murders here and/or stored his victims there until he dumped them behind the Golden Key Motel?

No info in the media on wheter LE searched and found anything of interest in that building and wheter they had dogs search the building.
It´s a shame LE are so very tightliped concerning the investigation of the AC4 murders

I would like to know who owned the abandoned building, and what kind of bizz etc it was prior to that it became abandoned?

If there is anyone located in the AC area, and you could find out, please post it here.

I looks like it might be an old Howard Johnson's maybe. It is next to the vacant lot and close to the road.

 

[PickleChris]

i believe this is the abandoned building..

 

[BKS]

I looks like it might be an old Howard Johnson's maybe. It is next to the vacant lot and close to the road.

A shot in the dark.......I wonder if the Ramada Inn or the Bayside Resort across the street have security cameras. It's been so long but, would LE have film from the initial investigation? If so, maybe they should take another look.

 

[PickleChris]

A shot in the dark.......I wonder if the Ramada Inn or the Bayside Resort across the street have security cameras. It's been so long but, would LE have film from the initial investigation? If so, maybe they should take another look.

Very good point. I hope LE thought of this at the time.

 

[BKS]

Below is a comparison of the AC4 and GB4 victims and the order in which they were disposed of. In both cases the first two victims were placed side by side, then victim 3 was placed on one side of the first two victims, then victim 4 was placed on the opposite side of the first two bodies. Also, in both cases the 4th victim was placed furthest away from the cluster.

AC Victims: 4th victim Kim Raffo, then 1st victim Molly Dilts, then 2nd victim Barbara Briedor, then 3rd victim Tracy Ann Roberts.


LI Victims: 4th victim Amber Costello, then 2nd victim Melissa Barthelemy , then 1st victim Brainard-Barnes , then 3rd victim Megan Waterman .


Keep in mind that on the maps the victims are numbered as to when they were discovered, not by the order in which they were murdered. Does anyone else see this pattern?

http://www.gallowaynews.com/SerialKiller.htm

 

[truthspider]

before we solve the pattern of order of placement if it wasn't random that is,
what is the point of spacing them at all? it's not like anyone was going to find one, and then not find the rest, so is there an identifiable reason?

does distance dictate separate crimes according to the law?

did he do it so that they would be less likely to be noticed than 4 next to each other?

is it psychological? I really don't know anything about this stuff..

anyone have any ideas why one might space them like this at all?

 

[BKS]

The pattern of placing the bodies is so similar in both cases it just makes me think about personal habits and how we all are wired to do things a certain way. I don't think the SK was thinking I'll place this one here, that one there. I think the pattern seemed random to him, not realizing it was a pattern.

 

[truthspider]

what might tell us more about the perp is the carrying style:

were they dragged by holding the victims under the arms?

were they dragged by their feet?

fireman's carry? (does he has some type of training, military, volunteer, lifeguard)

bride style...

did the perp repel off the roof of the abandon building?

 

[truthspider]

various carrys

 

[Redbird]

I mentioned this before and no one commented. Would this be too farfetched? Would it be possible? Could someone load a body onto a gurney and wheel it into the back of a large truck?

 

[Peter Brendt]

Okay, all similarities are nice. I can't see too much similarities in the appearance of the victims, but that is probably because we have anyway in both cases widespread victimologies without too much similarities. So effectively, all victims female and white in such different areas don't establish a common ground signature between the cases.
What else? Oh yeah, prostitutes. Since about every second victim of SKs is a prostitute, this doesn't give us too much. But it would be noteworthy, that the GB4 were all Craigslist escorts while the AC victims were all street corner hookers. Different group of Johns, different price level, different communication behavior. So, I fail to see the similarity once more.
AC was a fast spree with basically four victims in what? Six weeks? On the other hand, we have the GB4 with four victims in four years ... not much of a similarity under this aspect. And it would be hard to explain how an SK would at the same time change his signature, the area and speeds down to 1/52 of his original kill speed.
The GB4 were wrapped, which prevents every extensive staging, the AC4 were staged face East on their bellies and unwrapped. Sounds also not too similar to me.
So, after reading through this thread ... can someone tell me please where are those similarities that would justify to consider these cases as connected?

Peter Brendt

 

[truthspider]

I mentioned this before and no one commented. Would this be too farfetched? Would it be possible? Could someone load a body onto a gurney and wheel it into the back of a large truck?

Everything is worth debating. My opinion is that there was no need for a gurney, and that there wasn't much carrying going on at all. The strip in AC has tire tracks, the location was chosen because the victims could be dropped in a drainage ditch (rinsed clean) directly from a vehicle.

This is one of the many things that the G4 and AC have in common, they were dumped from a vehicle. Zoom in on the satellite images of the area in AC and you will see the that there is a service road that runs along the drainage ditch. Just like ocean parkway just like manorville, just like the utility road that cuts through the jfk wildlife sanctuary, and just like the suitcase of southern state: what they have in common is they were dumped directly from the car to the ground.

Sorry creative profilers, the perp isn't from the middle east and doesn't wear a turban, he's a fat lazy american driving a suburban.

(it's actually a white Tahoe, but I like style)

 

[Peter Brendt]

Everything is worth debating. My opinion is that there was no need for a gurney, and that there wasn't much carrying going on at all. The strip in AC has tire tracks, the location was chosen because the victims could be dropped in a drainage ditch (rinsed clean) directly from a vehicle.

This is one of the many things that the G4 and AC have in common, they were dumped from a vehicle. Zoom in on the satellite images of the area in AC and you will see the that there is a service road that runs along the drainage ditch. Just like ocean parkway just like manorville, just like the utility road that cuts through the jfk wildlife sanctuary, and just like the suitcase of southern state: what they have in common is they were dumped directly from the car to the ground.

Sorry creative profilers, the perp isn't from the middle east and doesn't wear a turban, he's a fat lazy american driving a suburban.

(it's actually a white Tahoe, but I like style)

Your forget to mention, he is also a magician, or how do you explain, that he rolled four bodies from his truck down into the drainage ditch and they ended up all in the same position? Oh, yeah, it was that unbelievable water flow, that rinsed clean the bodies. Only the water was around three of the victims not deeper than two inches and around the last one wasn't even water ...
So sorry, but the facts speak another language than you.

Peter Brendt

 

[BKS]

He would have staged the AC4 after he put them in the ditch. Easily done, but not quite as private as he thought. The bodies were discovered within a month. The GB4 he staged before he put them at Gilgo. My guess is he had less time on the Parkway and he didn't want to be caught. The burlap at GC4 was for his convenience in moving the bodies and for camouflage, he didn't want them found. Again he laid the first two victims side by side and the third victim to one side and the 4th victim on the other side, always a little further away. Staging the bodies in a row is his signature (or was in 2006-2010.)