Random Thoughts and Ideas

[beckaroozie]

No, they didn't go to Sawgrass. It was Crane's Landing or something.

Lurker you're absolutely right -- I went back and looked. I was totally confused on the point. Thanks for 'fixing' it. Sorry to interject.

 

[Recovering-Lurker]

Lurker you're absolutely right -- I went back and looked. I was totally confused on the point. Thanks for 'fixing' it. Sorry to interject.

Oh no problem. I have gotten information wrong many, many times. It is very hard to keep up with everything in this case. It all just jumbles together. That's why we're all here, to help each other out.

 

[RevCrim]

I understand this isn't where you were going with this, but just couldn't help myself.

Wouldn't it have been just FANTASTIC had FBI interrupted CA in her long, droning monologue about how Casey had been leaving the clue of Zanny, really referring to RM and AH, to point out CA was the actual babysitter, so wouldn't the Zanny clue be referring to her? So, Zanny, er, umm, I mean Cindy, where the he!! is Caylee?

Lanie

It's crossed my mind more than once here lately!

 

[Paladine]

I think you are so right! AH says she came to her house on the 30th and asked her about the gas can then her and AH go to Target to get it in TonEs Jeep. So I think TonE just left that morning right, so she waited until he was gone before she attempted to get her car.

Thanks for refreshing my memory...Yep...it was all about Tony, not the best way to do the crime...so, MAYBE, if we look through her eyes, with that foremost in our minds, we might learn more.

 

[david918]

Here is the link showing the actual card dated June 17, 2008.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-08/41844520.pdf It is on page 50. This is Zanaida number 2 who lives in Kissimee. I don't know if this is the same one that was sueing Casey or not.
This also when Casey was sure she had to find somewhere else to live.

The date still bugs me some. I opened the latest documents which have YM police report and it says 4-17. I believe you that it was more like 6-17 which even makes the coincidence greater. Didnt Tony L live in Sawgrass - I thought I saw on Mort's video he took everyone on a tour of the complex.

 

[david918]

Here is the link showing the actual card dated June 17, 2008.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-08/41844520.pdf It is on page 50. This is Zanaida number 2 who lives in Kissimee. I don't know if this is the same one that was sueing Casey or not.
This also when Casey was sure she had to find somewhere else to live.

I saw a lot of emotion on the jail house recordings that i was led to believe wasnt happening - NG called KC a fake but I am not so sure about that. If ZG really did take the child for whatever reason why would she not lie about it too? Could a person be a 'madam' in the escort agency and knowingly recruit young single moms and provide the care so the young single mom could go work? What if you refused or were stealing some of the tips so the madam became pissed off and sent the child off as punishment and the whole thing just went too far to back out of? I know I was quick to look down on KC for partying while her child was missing but what if she knew the child wasnt in danger just "sent away" -- wouldnt you sort of look at that as someone else watching your child?

 

[david918]

Lightbulb moment: ZG was looking at an apartment on 6-17 ... ZG fills out a police report and lists her home/business address as the Motel 6? Had she ever lived anywhere else just prior? So my child goes missing, I tell you ZG took her, JG coincidently fills out a card to look at an Apartment in the same complex as AL/KC live, I find the ZG who fills out the card and she says on July 16 (month later) she is living in the Motel 6, doenst recognize the photo of KC and Caylee and I dont think there is anything suspicious about that? Did anyone live in the Motel 6 with her? Was the Motel 6 rental a cover for a 'business'? Where is ZG living now and if not in Orlando why? I must lead a sheltered life. I see some reasonable doubt seeds in this one.

 

[Winnts]

After this trial is over, I would love to see a show with a panel of psychiatrists who dissect all of these videos and conversations of the family and give their analysis.
Some stuff has really stood out to me.

They can call it "Raising a Psychopath"

 

[KellioPSL]

didnt the real zenaida have her office broken into, and thats how we think kc may have gotten her info?

 

[MaedchenX]

didnt the real zenaida have her office broken into, and thats how we think kc may have gotten her info?

A real Zenaida, yes. However not the one who visited Sawgrass, and not the one currently suing Casey.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

I saw a lot of emotion on the jail house recordings that i was led to believe wasnt happening - NG called KC a fake but I am not so sure about that. If ZG really did take the child for whatever reason why would she not lie about it too? Could a person be a 'madam' in the escort agency and knowingly recruit young single moms and provide the care so the young single mom could go work? What if you refused or were stealing some of the tips so the madam became pissed off and sent the child off as punishment and the whole thing just went too far to back out of? I know I was quick to look down on KC for partying while her child was missing but what if she knew the child wasnt in danger just "sent away" -- wouldnt you sort of look at that as someone else watching your child?

That sure sounds good David. If Caylee isn't deceased then who was it in the trunk of KC's vehicle.

She is so convincing, I thought that too, but quickly snapped back into reality. Human decomp, death band on hair, chloroform, that atrocious smell. Who does it belong to??? Who else is missing and presumed dead?

 

[david918]

A real Zenaida, yes. However not the one who visited Sawgrass, and not the one currently suing Casey.

Is the ZG who visited Sawgrass and filled out the card the same ZG that is suing KC and reportedly lived in the Motel 6? I have lost my phone records temporarily on another PC - anyone PM me with those or look to see if the motel 6 phone number shows up last 4 digits are *advertiser censored*-*advertiser censored*-6333. Any phone calls to another motel?

 

[david918]

That sure sounds good David. If Caylee isn't deceased then who was it in the trunk of KC's vehicle.

She is so convincing, I thought that too, but quickly snapped back into reality. Human decomp, death band on hair, chloroform, that atrocious smell. Who does it belong to??? Who else is missing and presumed dead?

I hear what you are saying = cant wait to hear what was really found in that trunk. Guess I am tired of going down the KC did it trail cause its at a dead end so to speak. Thought about looking at the other possibilities to see how quickly those could be ruled out. I still havent figured out the ZG, Zanny, connection -- its just to coincidental that ZG looked at the apartment on 6-17 and gives a Motel 6 as her residence.

 

[MaedchenX]

Is the ZG who visited Sawgrass and filled out the card the same ZG that is suing KC and reportedly lived in the Motel 6? I have lost my phone records temporarily on another PC - anyone PM me with those or look to see if the motel 6 phone number shows up last 4 digits are *advertiser censored*-*advertiser censored*-6333. Any phone calls to another motel?

Yes, this is the same person. I have no idea about any of the phone information though.

 

[Recovering-Lurker]

The date still bugs me some. I opened the latest documents which have YM police report and it says 4-17. I believe you that it was more like 6-17 which even makes the coincidence greater. Didnt Tony L live in Sawgrass - I thought I saw on Mort's video he took everyone on a tour of the complex.

Tony did not live at Sawgrass.

 

[david918]

That sure sounds good David. If Caylee isn't deceased then who was it in the trunk of KC's vehicle.

She is so convincing, I thought that too, but quickly snapped back into reality. Human decomp, death band on hair, chloroform, that atrocious smell. Who does it belong to??? Who else is missing and presumed dead?

the only way to prove the identity of the dead person is to recover a death band hair with mito DNA and tie it to the maternal side of CA/KA/CA/LA etc. otherwise you could have decomposition belonging to anyone. I dont think they reported any blood or other items that had traceable DNA other than non death band hairs. It still isnt 'impossible' given assuming the death band hair cant be identified - that there is more to this. Other possibilities for dead people in trunk of car could be a "client" or a deal that went wrong.

 

[manatee]

I saw a lot of emotion on the jail house recordings that i was led to believe wasnt happening - NG called KC a fake but I am not so sure about that. If ZG really did take the child for whatever reason why would she not lie about it too? Could a person be a 'madam' in the escort agency and knowingly recruit young single moms and provide the care so the young single mom could go work? What if you refused or were stealing some of the tips so the madam became pissed off and sent the child off as punishment and the whole thing just went too far to back out of? I know I was quick to look down on KC for partying while her child was missing but what if she knew the child wasnt in danger just "sent away" -- wouldnt you sort of look at that as someone else watching your child?

31 days,
shovel,
human decomposition in car (dogs, people, lab, GA, CA and tow yard agree)
chloroform
seach for chloroform in computer
stealing megamoney from everyone
search for missing children before Caylee went missing
hair evidence
no evidence fo distress in the mother (Fussion, target and friends)

 

[KellioPSL]

i know david, i keep stressing about the car at amscot why leave it there? why not just tell tone, ugh oh car broke down here in your apt parking lot dad will have it towed later. Instead she drives a car that reeks of decomp to her parents house to get tyson chicken and freezer pops so that her car runs out of gas at the amscot, and thats what tone says in every interview not that her car was broke down, but out of gas why? There had to be reason she went to mom and dads/area with the car, and it aint freezer pops. so you work on the zfg thing, I'll keep stressing about the car, cause my brain cant handle more than one of these at a time.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

the only way to prove the identity of the dead person is to recover a death band hair with mito DNA and tie it to the maternal side of CA/KA/CA/LA etc. otherwise you could have decomposition belonging to anyone. I dont think they reported any blood or other items that had traceable DNA other than non death band hairs. It still isnt 'impossible' given assuming the death band hair cant be identified - that there is more to this. Other possibilities for dead people in trunk of car could be a "client" or a deal that went wrong.

Well, we just learned CA did not give the exclusive hairbrush Caylee used. Which, IMO, would have given a conclusive result to that hair with the death band. As it stands now, mtDNA is on the maternal side. So by exclusion and since Caylee is no where to be found, it belongs to Caylee.

 

[KellioPSL]

david i do believe that there really were a couple of times that kc was showing real emotion. when ga said that every night he went outside and said caylee the moon and the stars, I think that is true emotion on kc's face and anguish (I already feel ya beatin me up peeps) That is why I think the death must have been accidental, albeit in the comission of felonious assault, which really negates the accidental thing anyway. Unfortunately all the evidence is pointing in the direction of kc, although there are alot of weird coincidences and other symbolism. jmho