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There are a lot of posts in these last couple of pages based on WRONG information.

DM was NOT in custody when LE held the press conference or when the information about the tattoo was released. The information was released on the Hamilton Police Service's page at 9:17 am (not sure what time zone SD's in).

https://www.facebook.com/HamiltonPolice/posts/623618434333119:0

The press conference was held at 11:30 am.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?208367-Canada-Timothy-Bosma-32-Hamilton-Ontario-6-May-2013-1&p=9409459#post9409459

DM was arrested in the late afternoon after being tailed for at least four hours.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/inside-the-life-of-dellen-millard-the-man-charged-with-killing-tim-bosma/article12009016/

http://www.caledonenterprise.com/news-story/2874993-tim-bosma-dellen-millard-suspect-in-truck-owner-s-disappearance-not-talking-lawyer-says/

Kavanaugh has stated, and the links have been posted many times, that TB's cell phone led to the other test drive, which led to the tattoo description, which led to DM from a contact card in the system.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/11/18/carding_by_toronto_police_drops_sharply.html

Perhaps they were running the information through the system for matches prior to the news conference, but he was not in custody. In fact, they may not have even started tailing him yet until noon if they followed him for 4 hours. When the tattoo information came up on the system, they probably went to the hangar to check it out, then tailed him to wait for the warrant to come through. JMO
 
matou said:
What about receiving stolen property on their driveway? Accessory after the fact too? But his mother didn't know what the trailer contained? Therefore she doesn't get charged. Noudga did something more than comfort him IMO. His mother could have also fed him, comforted him etc, etc, and she wasn't charged with anything. She did help him sell off properties and buy his condo ASAP though. If someone isn't guilty of anything than how does a girlfriend get charged with accessory after the fact? She has to wear an ankle tracking bracelet until her trial. That's not about feeding or comforting him IMO.
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They have to prove that the person charged knew that the person they aided was a party to the offense.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-7.html
 
Alethea Dice said:
There are a lot of posts in these last couple of pages based on WRONG information.

DM was NOT in custody when LE held the press conference or when the information about the tattoo was released. The information was released on the Hamilton Police Service's page at 9:17 am (not sure what time zone SD's in).

https://www.facebook.com/HamiltonPolice/posts/623618434333119:0
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I am in the same time zone as Hamilton and I have 12:17 pm

Alethea Dice said:
The press conference was held at 11:30 am.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?208367-Canada-Timothy-Bosma-32-Hamilton-Ontario-6-May-2013-1&p=9409459#post9409459

DM was arrested in the late afternoon after being tailed for at least four hours.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/inside-the-life-of-dellen-millard-the-man-charged-with-killing-tim-bosma/article12009016/

http://www.caledonenterprise.com/news-story/2874993-tim-bosma-dellen-millard-suspect-in-truck-owner-s-disappearance-not-talking-lawyer-says/
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So you choose to believe some reporter from the media's account is more accurate than the words that came from DM's own mouth? He said he got up early.

Media: 1, DM: 0

Alethea Dice said:
Kavanaugh has stated, and the links have been posted many times, that TB's cell phone led to the other test drive, which led to the tattoo description, which led to DM from a contact card in the system.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/11/18/carding_by_toronto_police_drops_sharply.html

Perhaps they were running the information through the system for matches prior to the news conference, but he was not in custody. In fact, they may not have even started tailing him yet until noon if they followed him for 4 hours. When the tattoo information came up on the system, they probably went to the hangar to check it out, then tailed him to wait for the warrant to come through. JMO
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Well it could be that when DM "got up early", he meant noon, and then all of those events would have unfolded in the late afternoon.
 
SnooperDuper said:
I am in the same time zone as Hamilton and I have 12:17 pm



So you choose to believe some reporter from the media's account is more accurate than the words that came from DM's own mouth? He said he got up early.

Media: 1, DM: 0



Well it could be that when DM "got up early", he meant noon, and then all of those events would have unfolded in the late afternoon.
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That's weird. If you're not logged in to Facebook, the time shows as 9:17 am. That must be FB California time then. But the press conference was still at 11:30 am. If you really think that he was already in custody at 11:30, after being tailed for 4 hours as reported, then I guess he was up really early. Also, depending on when they started tailing him, before or after their visit to the hangar, he may have already been finished getting whatever he went there to pick up. That would mean he was up by 7:00 or 7:30 at the latest. So which is it? He got up at noon, or he was already in custody before 11:30?

I don't know what early is to DM, I don't know how long he was at the hangar that day, and I don't know what time they started tailing him, so yes, I'm taking the word of the media. It still could be both, depending on the time travelling to the hangar, how long he spent there doing what he was doing, then talking to LE (maybe a couple of hours for those two things), then they start tailing him when he leaves the hangar, say around noon, and they arrest him around 4:00. That would put him at getting up by 9:00 am.

JMO
 
Alethea Dice said:
There are a lot of posts in these last couple of pages based on WRONG information.

DM was NOT in custody when LE held the press conference or when the information about the tattoo was released. The information was released on the Hamilton Police Service's page at 9:17 am (not sure what time zone SD's in).

https://www.facebook.com/HamiltonPolice/posts/623618434333119:0

The press conference was held at 11:30 am.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?208367-Canada-Timothy-Bosma-32-Hamilton-Ontario-6-May-2013-1&p=9409459#post9409459

DM was arrested in the late afternoon after being tailed for at least four hours.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/inside-the-life-of-dellen-millard-the-man-charged-with-killing-tim-bosma/article12009016/

http://www.caledonenterprise.com/news-story/2874993-tim-bosma-dellen-millard-suspect-in-truck-owner-s-disappearance-not-talking-lawyer-says/

Kavanaugh has stated, and the links have been posted many times, that TB's cell phone led to the other test drive, which led to the tattoo description, which led to DM from a contact card in the system.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/11/18/carding_by_toronto_police_drops_sharply.html

Perhaps they were running the information through the system for matches prior to the news conference, but he was not in custody. In fact, they may not have even started tailing him yet until noon if they followed him for 4 hours. When the tattoo information came up on the system, they probably went to the hangar to check it out, then tailed him to wait for the warrant to come through. JMO
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Dont be so sure ..... DM said he was up early that morning when the police came to question him

I can guarantee you they would know within three minutes if he was being truthful or evasive and at that moment he went to the top of the list of suspects

Knowing he was now a major suspect , police acted all friendly like , bid him a good day and then left .... as soon as they leave they notify head office to focus on DM and prepare to either bring him in for more questioning or arrest him and prepare warrants ... which they did by that afternoon.

Not only that , I bet DM was on their radar a day or two earlier ... I dont think they just happened to wake up that morning and pick his house out of the blue. And I bet they knew about the Blue Yukon by then , which was likely parked at the house when police pulled in. Remember these guys are homicide detectives , they know what they are doing.
 
Alethea Dice said:
That's weird. If you're not logged in to Facebook, the time shows as 9:17 am. That must be FB California time then. But the press conference was still at 11:30 am. If you really think that he was already in custody at 11:30, after being tailed for 4 hours as reported, then I guess he was up really early. Also, depending on when they started tailing him, before or after their visit to the hangar, he may have already been finished getting whatever he went there to pick up. That would mean he was up by 7:00 or 7:30 at the latest. So which is it? He got up at noon, or he was already in custody before 11:30?

I don't know what early is to DM, I don't know how long he was at the hangar that day, and I don't know what time they started tailing him, so yes, I'm taking the word of the media. It still could be both, depending on the time travelling to the hangar, how long he spent there doing what he was doing, then talking to LE (maybe a couple of hours for those two things), then they start tailing him when he leaves the hangar, say around noon, and they arrest him around 4:00. That would put him at getting up by 9:00 am.

JMO
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I think LE tailed him from his home because the info they take upon carding you does include your home address but does not include your employer (or obviously any contact info for same). http://torontoist.com/2013/01/police-board-delays-action-on-issuing-receipts-for-street-stops/ How would LE know to find him at the hangar if they hadn't have followed him there? DM led them there.

I think it is reasonable to leave Etobicoke at 7:30 AM to make sure you are on time for a business meeting starting at 9:00 AM in Guelph/Kitchener, and there's still enough time to be arrested by 11:30.

It was DP that said that DM was arrested late afternoon:

Millard was arrested on Cawthra Rd. late Friday afternoon while driving his GMC Yukon, according to Paradkar.
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http://www.caledonenterprise.com/ne...wner-s-disappearance-not-talking-lawyer-says/
 
Yep, I agree Arnie. We used to have a verified cop on here but he hasn't posted in a long time. It would be great to get that perspective on here from a professional police officer. JMO
 
Alethea Dice said:
They have to prove that the person charged knew that the person they aided was a party to the offense.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-7.html
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No they don't .... it is during the trial that proof is required

A small amount of evidence will lead to questioning by police .... additional evidence police can make an arrest .... but can only hold that person for a short time unless they convince a judge there is enough evidence to hold them for trial or bail.

Which is exactly what happened .
 
Alethea Dice said:
Criminal Code of Canada:

Accessory after the fact



HTH
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Ok that's a long stretch and some real straw grasping but maybe we could go with such a silly suggestion and elaborate on that ...feeding... hmm were they chocolate covered strawberries? :giggle:

Police allege Noudga knew Millard had killed Bosma and assisted in his “escape” last May 9, three days after Bosma disappeared, said Crown Attorney Tony Leitch.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...e_she_was_reported_missing_police_allege.html
 
Quote Originally Posted by Juballee View Post
I think that if someone was trying to avoid detection they would at least wear a hood or cover their tattoos.

Alethea Dice said:
One of them did.
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Seems MS was smarter than DM then hahaha. There is nothing to indicate he murdered other then because LE charged him with murder. The same cannot be said for DM. His truck, his trailer found in his mother's driveway, his farmland, his gun, his cell phone, his hangar, his tattoo, his father, his lover, his incinerator, etc., etc. :D MOO.
 
Arnie M said:
What do you think of folks who take the "box" around the tattoo so literal

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A box around a tattoo is literally a real thing. The comment about feeding DM was an example of what can be considered in helping someone to escape in an accessory charge. No comparison IMO.
 
Arnie M said:
Dont be so sure ..... DM said he was up early that morning when the police came to question him

I can guarantee you they would know within three minutes if he was being truthful or evasive and at that moment he went to the top of the list of suspects

Knowing he was now a major suspect , police acted all friendly like , bid him a good day and then left .... as soon as they leave they notify head office to focus on DM and prepare to either bring him in for more questioning or arrest him and prepare warrants ... which they did by that afternoon.

Not only that , I bet DM was on their radar a day or two earlier ... I dont think they just happened to wake up that morning and pick his house out of the blue. And I bet they knew about the Blue Yukon by then , which was likely parked at the house when police pulled in. Remember these guys are homicide detectives , they know what they are doing.
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Sorry, don't be so sure about what? Whether he was in custody or not at the time of the press conference? The press conference was at 11:30 am.

When did the police pull into his house? Do you mean the hangar? On May 14th, 4 days after his arrest, LE announced that TB's body had been found and that an "SUV-like vehicle" was following when they left on the test drive.

http://www.nugget.ca/2013/05/14/police-update-tim-bosma-case

It wasn't until May 22nd, when MS was arrested, that they announced that they believed the vehicle following was a dark blue Yukon belonging to DM.

http://www.cp24.com/news/second-man-arrested-as-bosma-s-family-gathers-for-a-final-goodbye-1.1291868

What makes you believe he was on their radar by May 8th or 9th - before or on the same day that TB's cell phone was found? They may know what they're doing, but I don't think they're psychic.

JMO
 
Presser happened on the same day DM was arrested, May 10, the Friday:

Dellen Millard, the scion of a noted aviation dynasty who was arrested after a Hamilton father disappeared a week ago after joining two men offering to buy his truck on a test drive, was interrogated by police for almost 24 hours by officers desperately searching to find Tim Bosma.

During the intense questioning overnight Friday and into Saturday afternoon, Mr. Millard, 27, of Toronto, exercised his right to remain silent, said his lawyer, Deepak Paradkar.
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Police did not announce an arrest until Saturday afternoon. By then, Mr. Millard had been in custody since Friday afternoon.
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http://news.nationalpost.com/toront...d-in-case-of-missing-ontario-father-tim-bosma
 
Alethea Dice said:
But she got her bail and she's pleading not guilty and she chose to skip the preliminary inquiry, so someone's feeling fairly confident.

JMO
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How do you know she's feeling confident? Just because she got bail doesn't mean diddly. Some murderers make bail so I HTH to understand that logic. She skipped PH because she knows her goose is cooked with the evidence the Crown have against her. She's facing 25 years if found guilty and IMHO whatever she did was against the law and she knows it. With that I hope she faces time in prison. MOO.
 
SnooperDuper said:
I think LE tailed him from his home because the info they take upon carding you does include your home address but does not include your employer (or obviously any contact info for same). http://torontoist.com/2013/01/police-board-delays-action-on-issuing-receipts-for-street-stops/ How would LE know to find him at the hangar if they hadn't have followed him there? DM led them there.

I think it is reasonable to leave Etobicoke at 7:30 AM to make sure you are on time for a business meeting starting at 9:00 AM in Guelph/Kitchener, and there's still enough time to be arrested by 11:30.

It was DP that said that DM was arrested late afternoon:



http://www.caledonenterprise.com/ne...wner-s-disappearance-not-talking-lawyer-says/
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FWIW, I think they may have followed him from his home as well. Or, more likely, they had an alert out to watch for him.

An afternoon arrest was reported in other media as well.

Police did not announce an arrest until Saturday afternoon. By then, Mr. Millard had been in custody since Friday afternoon.
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http://news.nationalpost.com/toronto/dellen-millard-charged-in-case-of-missing-ontario-father-tim-bosma

Millard was arrested Friday afternoon in Mississauga. Police tracked him down from a tip that came in after they released a description of his unique "ambition" wrist tattoo.
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http://www.brantnews.com/news-story/4110946-tim-bosma-s-truck-found-in-kleinburg-report/


JMO
 
Arnie M said:
No they don't .... it is during the trial that proof is required

A small amount of evidence will lead to questioning by police .... additional evidence police can make an arrest .... but can only hold that person for a short time unless they convince a judge there is enough evidence to hold them for trial or bail.

Which is exactly what happened .
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Of course during the trial. I didn't say they had to prove it to make an arrest. I was responding to Matou's questioning why DM's mother wasn't also charged. They would need to have some kind of evidence that she knew he was involved in the crime in order to charge someone and have the charge stick and make it to trial.

JMO
 
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