Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 11/3/14 Hearing - Part 2

[fifteen89]

Good point. I think she is just now beginning to realize she may not get out anytime soon.

For me personally, I thought of 1 other reason I maybe favoring the DP. The title and stigma alone if she gets "Sentenced to Death". I think just the sheer stigma of that is coming into play for me, regardless of whether it happens or not.

I think a lot of it for me falls back into the whole principle of the thing, and her getting the sentence she deserves. If she would have showed any remorse, I most likely would not feel the way I do about her and the sentence I think she deserves.
She continually shows to me that she is not sorry for what she has done to him.

I agree. For me it's about knowing Miss no-jury-will-ever-convict-me hearing the actual words that she has received the death penalty. Doesn't really matter to me if it takes years or never gets carried out. I just want her to live every single day of the rest of her existence knowing she was sentenced to death. jmt

 

[LinTX]

Another day, another motion...

Case Documents
Filing Date Description Docket Date Filing Party
11/10/2014 012 - ME: Trial - Party (001) 11/10/2014
11/10/2014 MOT - Motion - Party (001) 11/10/2014
NOTE: MOTION FOR SANCTIONS



From our favorite reporter:
Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer 14m14 minutes ago
Atty Kirk Nurmi asks judge to remove cameras from #JodiArias trial; says media violated court order filming Arias with mitigation specialist

 

[janx]

Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer 21m21 minutes ago

Court order of 5/21/14 says not to photograph "any juror or attorney conference." The #JodiArias mitigation specialist is not an attorney.

 

[Steve44]

I agree. For me it's about knowing Miss no-jury-will-ever-convict-me hearing the actual words that she has received the death penalty. Doesn't really matter to me if it takes years or never gets carried out. I just want her to live every single day of the rest of her existence knowing she was sentenced to death. jmt

After what Katie has told us in this thread, I'm leaning pretty strongly to LWOP as a preference. I had no idea the environment around the DP was this toxic to the victims, and in spite of what the Alexander's want, I can't wish them to go through what they most likely would in a DP conviction. It's like a whole new level of victimization that is not at all fair, and not fully necessary for justice to be done, at least to a very large degree in a nothing's perfect, lesser of two evils situation.

 

[Shadowboy]

Originally Posted by DebinGA View Post
Nothing says PTSD like calling LE from CA to see how the investigation is going before they've contacted you. Sheesh.
I guess JA can claim to have found the cure for PTSD; just lie about it ever happening and viola! the PTSD is gone!

I guess JA can claim to have found the cure for PTSD; just lie about it ever happening and viola! the PTSD is gone!

(Sorry. I STILL haven't figure out that Multiple Quote function!)

As we (someday) enter another phase of expert witnesses, alleged abuse, blah, blah, blah ... thought some of you might find this article interesting. Written after the first trial.
http://www.experts.com/Articles/Imp...uidlines-Jodi-Arias-Trial-By-Michael-Perrotti

 

[Reagan]

BBM - Apparently nothing other than a bloody palm print.

I was referring to personal attire.

 

[Love Never Fails]

This is a good story written by Dale Archer, and the comments are um, well......interesting.


Does Jodi Arias Deserve To Die? (My opinion is yes she does "deserve" to die, but I don't think she will at the hands of the Jury)



http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/reading-between-the-headlines/201410/does-jodi-arias-deserve-die

Mr. Archer was wrong about the defense not using explicit sexual details this time. That is exactly what they are doing.

 

[Hope4More]

Another day, another motion...

Case Documents
Filing Date Description Docket Date Filing Party
11/10/2014 012 - ME: Trial - Party (001) 11/10/2014
11/10/2014 MOT - Motion - Party (001) 11/10/2014
NOTE: MOTION FOR SANCTIONS



From our favorite reporter:
Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer 14m14 minutes ago
Atty Kirk Nurmi asks judge to remove cameras from #JodiArias trial; says media violated court order filming Arias with mitigation specialist

Well, the concluding act of that Nurmi set-up arrived right on schedule, eh?

 

[Steve44]

As we (someday) enter another phase of expert witnesses, alleged abuse, blah, blah, blah ... thought some of you might find this article interesting. Written after the first trial.
http://www.experts.com/Articles/Imp...uidlines-Jodi-Arias-Trial-By-Michael-Perrotti

Few have doubts that the defense's expert witness's in the first trial were biased, but I believe they were also intentionally biased, so the article in question would have been no revelation nor guiding light to help this process be fairer. I suppose they had their own personal reasons for their bias, perhaps financial or because such fit their personal agendas and the tenets upon which their careers had been built.

ETA: I'd love to know how many they had to go through to find those two.

 

[Jmoose]

From the Ethicist, NY Times Magazine 11/8/14

"About a year ago, I moved into my boyfriend’s house in a new city. I’m renting out my old house for income as I look for work. I pay my partner $100 each month to cover my utility expenses. He pays his cleaning person $160 a month to clean the house twice a month. I am not convinced that the house gets cleaned well, and I have plenty of free time anyway. I offered to clean the house in lieu of the money I pay him, which would save him $60 and me $100. He refuses, claiming that it would be as if he were paying me to clean the house. Would that be so wrong? NAME WITHHELD, SANTA FE"

Ethicist: "It’s not wrong. It’s a shrewd request on your behalf. But I think you’re overlooking the real reason your boyfriend doesn’t want to do this: It would make him feel uncomfortable in his own home. It’s strange to pay someone you’re romantically involved with to do work for you, even if the compensation is somewhat indirect. Furthermore, giving you this responsibility would place him in an awkward position should you end up doing a subpar job — he can fire a cleaning person, but he can’t fire his girlfriend.

This is an ethics column, so — ethically — I’m on your side. But ethics can’t be the only consideration in a dispute that combines the personal with the professional. This really has nothing to do with morality. Your boyfriend simply doesn’t want to add an unnecessary power dynamic to your relationship."


I have always felt that TA's allowing JA to clean his house for $$ was a poor decision.
He may have considered it gracious and helpful, but I don't think JA interpreted it that way.
A mixed message drives a psychopath nuts.

It also gives her an opportunity to pooch through his stuff when he's not looking

 

[Tuba]

An interesting blend of paranoia & projection, if you'd care for some. Arias is so petrified that the wrong people, with the wrong cameras, are going to peer into her latest plans. Even a shot of her at the defense table with Maria threatens harmful exposure. Or somebody might tweet something or overhear something. The irony being that Arias herself loves nothing more than prying, peeking, poking, hacking, cracking, sneaking and breaking into the private effects of others. In other words, "I want total security, absolute privacy and black-out. For everyone else, you are fair game for my plastic reach."

 

[ShadyLady]

Well, the concluding act of that Nurmi set-up arrived right on schedule, eh?

Nurmi must be building a new home....$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

As long as he is getting the going rate, why not milk it. {snark!!!!}

 

[Renee110]

Please get your barf bag in advance because I'm getting ready to kick it up a notch.

Our biased Judge (Silvia Arellano) ruled that nothing could be allowed in this "mental retardation" appeal that was evidence from their lives past the age of 18. Meaning, EVIDENCE OF THEIR CRIMES (first degree murder including extensive premeditation and conspiracy) could not be allowed in this appeal which would decide the SENTENCE for their CRIMES. How slippery was that by a Judge who was against the DP, close to retiring and the ONLY finder of fact in that appeal?

Anyway, one of the expensive expenses (redundant I know) of their side was bringing an elderly man who appeared to be in his 90s who was an administrator at a school these men had attended several decades before. Let me see, I guess at least 40 years prior he had been involved in a school they'd attended in Germany. He was flown, along with his wife, to the US to testify in this appeal as to specific memories he had of these boys decades prior. His demeanor was gleeful and glib I'm sure as it was the only time he'd ever had the opportunity to take a trip to the US! With his wife no less! On our taxpayer dollars!

I considered it going something like this "oh surely you remember these boys and their retarded behavior in your school forty years ago...and surely you'd like a nice vacation for free to Arizona in the USA, go to the Grand Canyon, see the sights and have some fun! With your wife!". Hell maybe we even flew them first class to boot. I wouldn't be surprised.
He could barely walk, could barely string coherent sentences together but was one of the main witnesses Silvia Arellano relied on to make her determination that one of them was in fact mentally retarded. All on our taxpayer dollar. Oh and their attorneys of course had to travel to Germany at least once to gather up witnesses as well...on our dime of course. It goes on and on and on....here's a blog I wrote on more on this subject if you're interested.

http://twoinnocents.com/2014/10/24/death-penalty-thoughts-1/

I have never followed a trial before this one, and I have never had cause to be familiar with the court system and I have never known anyone who went through anything like this. I am beyond disgusted with the way things work and I just don't understand some of the reasoning such as when it's judged to be too prejudicial to let juries know of previous crimes or convictions. I believe it speaks for character, propensity to do crime again etc… and is important for juries to consider. That is just one thing I think is unfair and makes no sense. I'm horrified KCL at what you have gone through (and not just you but anyone who has experienced similar) and I frankly can't understand how you are not bitter and destroyed emotionally. This case has opened my eyes and has actually frightened me somewhat. I have lost a little faith and something else these past two years so I really can't begin to fathom what I would be feeling if I was involved in some way. I have newfound respect and admiration for ANYONE who has had to live through something like this, and also view attorneys in a new light, some I admire and some I can't understand why they do it. And SOME attorneys, like Juan Martinez, are angels that are obviously answering a calling, like some policeman are. I don't mean this post to be weird sounding like I've had a revelation, but I feel a bit like I have. My husband is right when he often says I should leave the farm more often and that I am naive.

Anyway, tonight for me it's all about thinking about souls who have been through hell and survive, whether they are victims, survivors, fighters, attorneys, policeman, or people sitting at home on their computers trying to make sense of the mad.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

As far as the DP being an actual deterrent, I have my doubts. I'm thinking mainly of murder-suicides, those people don't seem to value life at all, that of others or their own. Besides, death itself is fairly easy, is it not? A matter of a few minutes, and I wouldn't count on criminals and sociopaths being too concerned with 'eternity' that's too subjective a measure to try to apply. But a life, THIS life, spent in long, endless isolation, that's something everyone can understand and agree is pretty horrible, and thus has a chance at providing deterrence.

The death penalty was never established to be a deterrent so that others wouldn't commit murders. Just like LWOP doesn't deter them. No one plotting a murder is going to think.' Oh wait, I cant kill him/her because I may get the death penalty or locked away for life.' There are always going to be people who committ heinous and cruel murders way above what society is willing to accept with just a life sentence or LWOP as the punishment. The death penalty was implemented to be carried out on individuals when these individual murders were heinous, premeditated, and cruel ....among other legal factors that can make a case rise to a death penalty one.

I am not sure the DP will ever be eradicated. The last poll I read stated over 70% of Americans are still in favor of the death penalty. Some states have it but never carry them out like CA so they should just abolish it altogether. But then you have states like Texas and Florida and the appeals don't go on for 20 years but are usually wrapped up in about 8-10 years and the DR inmate is executed. Many states continue to carryout the death penalty. Some executing several a year.

I honestly want JA to get the death penalty and nothing else because SHE is deserving of no less. Anything less and this witch will see it as a win. I don't want her to think she/KN has won at anything. I don't want her gloating that she once again was crafty enough to pull the wool over another juror(s) eyes with her bald face lies. And believe me if she hoodwinks them again she will gloat until she looks like an engorged toad.

I want her to hear just what the jury thinks of her by telling her she deserves to die. I really don't care if she rots away in prison waiting for her death date that may or may not ever come from being executed. I just want her to know she is a 'dead woman walking' and one day she will have no control over her life as to whether she lives or dies. The same power she took away from Travis to live and instead gave him an execution date.

Now, I could live with it if she was given LWOP and locked down in a cell 23/24 of everyday. But to know that she will be put in GP one day and will have enablers to coddle her is just not acceptable to me. She is a master manipulator and it wouldn't take her long to manipulate others for her own personal gain. Even the thought of that makes me want to barf.

 

[LinTX]

Found on twitter and confirmed on court website - MDLR is suing Jason Weber for harassment. He's the guy that runs the Justice4Jodi website/collecting money that JA was complaining about in that phone call. The letter not confirmed by me, but could be MDLR's basis for the suit.

Case Information
Case Number: CV2014-094964 Judge: Vatz, Benjamin
File Date: 9/15/2014 Location: Southeast

Case Type: Civil

Party Information
Party Name Relationship Sex Attorney

Maria De La Rosa Plaintiff Female Pro Per
Jason Weber Defendant Male Pro Per

Case Documents
Filing Date Description Docket Date Filing Party
9/26/2014 AFS - Affidavit Of Service 10/3/2014
9/15/2014 PIH - Petition For Injunction Of Harassment 9/17/2014 Plaintiff(1)
9/15/2014 CSH - Coversheet 9/17/2014 Plaintiff(1)
9/15/2014 IPH - Injunction Prohibit Harassment 9/19/2014

Case Calendar
There are no calendar events on file
Judgments
There are no judgments on file

 

[Frigga]

Originally Posted by DebinGA View Post
Nothing says PTSD like calling LE from CA to see how the investigation is going before they've contacted you. Sheesh.
I guess JA can claim to have found the cure for PTSD; just lie about it ever happening and viola! the PTSD is gone!


As we (someday) enter another phase of expert witnesses, alleged abuse, blah, blah, blah ... thought some of you might find this article interesting. Written after the first trial.
http://www.experts.com/Articles/Imp...uidlines-Jodi-Arias-Trial-By-Michael-Perrotti

What a great article! Thank you so much for sharing. I like Dr Perrotti, his assessment was so practical and logical. In light of the article, I find it even more preposterous that these experts were even allowed to be considered experts. SMH!

 

[Love Never Fails]

That's exactly what it was and I have to say it was the most terrifying thing I had to deal with in the entire deal, since they were arrested. She could have set up a situation where they were BOTH up for parole in five years. From death row to parole. It was utterly horrifying. And thank you for caring.I'm not kidding when I say that once these monsters get sentenced to death the primary people who care about anything having to do with them are those fighting to get them relief from their sentence. The victim is erased and no one really follows the case on behalf of the victim, other than families. It's pretty horrific honestly.

Hi KCL,Glad you got back home and hope you had a blissful vacation and fun birthday. We missed you around here. We all feel like we are running around in a circle with Nurmi and the killer and the compliant judge. Been catching up on your posts and since I already know what you have been through, just want to tell you that you are always in my prayers (Alfonso too). Just keeping up with this trial makes me think of you often. I pray the Alexander's do get some final justice in one form or the other. I know the pain never ends but it would help to never see the killers face again, as Stephen said.

 

[ZsaZsa]

As far as the DP being an actual deterrent, I have my doubts. I'm thinking mainly of murder-suicides, those people don't seem to value life at all, that of others or their own. Besides, death itself is fairly easy, is it not? A matter of a few minutes, and I wouldn't count on criminals and sociopaths being too concerned with 'eternity' that's too subjective a measure to try to apply. But a life, THIS life, spent in long, endless isolation, that's something everyone can understand and agree is pretty horrible, and thus has a chance at providing deterrence.

I see the Death Penalty as the ultimate deterrent. They are never going to kill anyone else... I am a firm believer in Let the punishment fit the crime. That is justice, IMO.

 

[MeeBee]

@jeffgoldesq: "@michaelbkiefer: A expert for #JodiArias found that 1000s of *advertiser censored* files were deleted from Travis computer while in possession of Mesa PD"

What do you guys make of it?

 

[MeeBee]

@michaelbkiefer: #JodiArias ask to dismiss conviction alleging prosecutor misconduct for destroying evidence. Possible child *advertiser censored* found.