Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - Day 8

[bsk]

AZL could there be any sanctions on them for such a salacious charge which apparently lands in their own lap?

KN hopes JSS will throw him off the case. :shame:

 

[elementary]

l agree they were his friends. But they overstepped in sending these emails and now a sociopath/psychopath killer is using them against Travis. Hope everyone learns from this.

I know I'm way behind now but I'm not getting this. They were having a conversation with Travis about his reported behaviour. Perhaps it was strict, I don't know. But they showed concern and I don't understand why this is a bad thing.

 

[TexMex]

But her cray-cray started BEFORE she ever met TA. She lurked and stalked previous boyfriends. These e-mails may be opening those doors. jmo

Yes. She learned at work one day that Matt, who she had broken up with, was seeing a new girl and she immediately left work, changed clothes and drove two hours to confront him and the girl!

 

[BritsKate]

Can we get you up there to testify to what real emotional abuse is, pretty please???lease:lease::clap:

Gladly. I can't believe just how disingenuous the defense experts really are. I've volunteered in DV advocacies on both sides of the pond - have researched DV (causes, manifestations, patterns, etc.) for years - and there is nothing to suggest she was a victim other than a handful of insults.

Silent victim? There's this fallacy that if you're being abused you never react or retaliate. False. Especially when the relationship is still relatively new and the victim may know 'something' is wrong but not quite what. It takes years if not decades to get to the point of never, ever fighting back - because, as we are conditioned - fighting back elicits a more violent response. In fact, even after 10 years, I stood screaming at my ex, on our front lawn, to just get on with it and kill me already. I looked and sounded like a madwoman, I'm sure. :blushing: But that's what long term EA does to you - you're just exhausted by being on eggshells constantly.

And then there's the whole on average abuse victims go back 7 times before leaving for good. However, there are so many reasons victims return to their abuser. Returning from another state, because your self esteem is low, when you have housing, a job, a car, a support network; aren't being stalked or threatened; do not share property, a business, or children with your abuser isn't anything I've ever seen any abuse victim do. Many would be elated at the prospect of being able to live, in peace, independently.

Lastly, an emotionally abusive relationship isn't about name-calling, though it can certainly contain verbal abuse. My ex called me beautiful every single day - but - I wasn't allowed money, medication was withheld from me, it was implied I was lazy, stupid, and a poor mother for many years, guns and knives were pulled on me, fire was set to my house, I was threatened constantly that I would be hit or have my children taken from me, my parents were unwittingly used as proxies (much in the same way as the Hughes), I had every friendship sabotaged, was stalked, cyberstalked (my nieces were used in the cyberstalking, posing as friends online to elicit information), precious personal possessions destroyed, my vehicle tampered with, was debased sexually (I didn't like it. )...and still oh so much more. I used to say all it took was just one look. He had this glare that gave me goosebumps. He could cut me to my knees in a room full of people and they'd hardly blink an eye. He, like many afflicted with cluster B personality disorders, knew just what to say or do to manipulate my every action and reaction.

And that is what an emotionally abusive relationship really looks like.

 

[Becky Sharp]

Such a great line.

I really like how Truth often sticks out her foot to trip up jerks. It also makes her sister, Karma, laugh.

 

[elementary]

Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer · 44s44 seconds ago
Expert: "Travis was loved by many people." But they didn't know his other side. "This is why I said he was a master of deception."

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 18s18 seconds ago
Expert states again Travis lead a double life and his friends didn't know the extent of relationship with #Jodiarias #3tvarias

The inference is that he was manipulative. As if that's the only interpretation.

 

[katiecoolady]

KN hopes JSS will throw him off the case. :shame:

You might be on to something here!
self sabotage?

 

[Truthy]

that's right and that one experience can sort of fine tune those spidey senses so you can sort of see it coming again..sometimes.

So true Katie! I know mine is fine tuned now!

The only thing I think is relevant about Travis' sad childhood is that with him mother's selfish addict behavior, he may have found someone others saw as selfish and obsessive as very lovable. A person with a troubled back round sometimes has a tolerance or even a bit of an attraction to behavior others see as problematic.

 

[AZlawyer]

AZL could there be any sanctions on them for such a salacious charge which apparently lands in their own lap?

No, although IMO the professional thing to do would have been to call JM and say, "Hey. Our expert says the computer was checked out for 'forensic services' at such-and-such time, but we have no report or anything from that time period. Can you find out where the computer was at that time and let us know?"

 

[janx]

Troy Hayden ‏@troyhaydenfox10 · 5m5 minutes ago
Juan Martinez response to charges of computer tampering in #JodiArias case.
http://tinyurl.com/nwrr57y

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OMG! Look at the last line of the motion! :floorlaugh: HILARIOUS! Check it out! :floorlaugh:

http://www.fox10phoenix.com/link/72...tor-response-to-computer-tampering-allegation

 

[Shadowboy]

My favorite part of JM’s response to “porngate” is this:

“It is also coincidental that the victim allegedly only began to access these site on May 28, 2008, the same day defendant staged the burglary at her grandparents’ home.”

Bazinga!

 

[wenwe4]

Because her only reason for converting was to snag Travis. I don't think she practices Mormonism anymore. Pretty sure they would've ex-communicated her. Murder is worse than adultery.

Seriously . . . not by much!!!

 

[katiecoolady]

OMG! Look at the last line of the motion! :floorlaugh: HILARIOUS! Check it out! :floorlaugh:

http://www.fox10phoenix.com/link/72...tor-response-to-computer-tampering-allegation

This response almost makes me want to see Nurmi poke that rattlesnake called Juan Martinez again.

 

[Becky Sharp]

Accusing the police and JM of tampering with evidence is a very serious charge. They should feel ashamed. Idiots. (Sorry.)

No apology necessary.

 

[elementary]

Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer · 10s10 seconds ago
Fonseca says being with someone who wants to keep it secret affects self-esteem.

Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer · 12s13 seconds ago
Expert's full name, incidentally, is Dr. L.C. Miccio-Fonseca.

Self esteem? Get the message- he is not that into you. It's simple.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I know I'm way behind now but I'm not getting this. They were having a conversation with Travis about his reported behaviour. Perhaps it was strict, I don't know. But they showed concern and I don't understand why this is a bad thing.

I have explained too many times on this thread. Concern or nosiness? Juan will make sure it's taken care of anyway.
People tweet, text, email, etc. but human decency in friendship would demand going to a friend in person and discussing such a private matter. Then if the person dies, you dont have some insane, sick defense attorney going through your emails and wreaking havoc of your life! That seems to be a concept lost on people today. No need trying to explain it anymore. If you don't get it, you don't get it.

 

[katiecoolady]

Self esteem? Get the message- he is not that into you. It's simple.

Plus that's a really good movie. One that Jodi Arias will never get to see.

 

[bznbear]

... and so no one is allowed to change their mind?

Um- what?

Especially when that someone figures out that person isn't right in the head or isn't right for them?

Doesn't it take time to figure things out?

How many people have been ENGAGED and then broken up?

Give me a break. Ridiculous.

No kidding! So, Nurmi and the NEW expert think Travis was abusive because he didn't marry someone he dated for 4-5 months?

 

[Amster]

Troy Hayden ‏@troyhaydenfox10 · 5m5 minutes ago
Juan Martinez response to charges of computer tampering in #JodiArias case.
http://tinyurl.com/nwrr57y

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Excellent, Juan! Excellent!!

 

[Nali87]

No, although IMO the professional thing to do would have been to call JM and say, "Hey. Our expert says the computer was checked out for 'forensic services' at such-and-such time, but we have no report or anything from that time period. Can you find out where the computer was at that time and let us know?"

The gloves have BEEN off in this trial AzLawyer. They didn't call JM AND they filed it unsealed, knowing that the jury could hear about this "tempering with evidence by the prosecution", knowing the media would be all over such a serious complaint. For a team that's so against the media, they sure seem to seek it out when it's convenient!