SC - Columbia - Sheriff Slams Female Student to Floor In Class

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When I first heard of this earlier today I thought I would side with the officer. I have seen how insolent some kids can be these days to teachers and other authority figures as well as at home. In too many households these kids call the shots. Some of the parents are too busy, others don't care, and some are actually in fear of how their kids will react if they (the parents) dare to set boundaries.

Back in my high school days it was almost unheard of to be defiant to a teacher or school admininstrator. Yeah, you occasionally had a classmate push the limits but that was so rare that the rest of us would just sit with our mouths hanging open dreading what would come next, all while knowing the kid deserved it. But that is not how it is today. Today kids get away with a lot and they know they can get away with a lot.

Then I saw the video in its entirety, the one with audio where you can hear a student try to get the officer to ease up on the female student and he snaps back with, "I'll put you in jail too!"

I do think the student involved in the subject of this thread shoulders some of the blame for administrators feeling they had no choice but to call this officer in to do his job. She was insolent, clearly, and she should not get a pass on that. The problem that I saw in the video in this case is that I do not see the officer doing his job as much as I see him reacting to an individual student who pissed him off. IOW, this officer did not use physical force because it was necessary, he used force because he was mad.

Student insolence is of course unacceptable but this officer's action was wrong on every level.

Oh I so agree with the bolded and italicized part of this post! This officer reacted in anger. IMO there is nothing short of a student pulling a gun that justifies flipping the student over while still in the desk. He could have easily just dragged the student out in the hall desk and all. But no, he got ticked off and retaliated, which then meant someone should have stepped in and subdued him.
 
And only one student even stepped up to try to stop him and she got arrested too....


Oh I so agree with the bolded and italicized part of this post! This officer reacted in anger. IMO there is nothing short of a student pulling a gun that justifies flipping the student over while still in the desk. He could have easily just dragged the student out in the hall desk and all. But no, he got ticked off and retaliated, which then meant someone should have stepped in and subdued him.
 
Oh I so agree with the bolded and italicized part of this post! This officer reacted in anger. IMO there is nothing short of a student pulling a gun that justifies flipping the student over while still in the desk. He could have easily just dragged the student out in the hall desk and all. But no, he got ticked off and retaliated, which then meant someone should have stepped in and subdued him.

Isn't that what he tried to do? Drag the student out in the hall?
 
He could have just dragged the chair, with the student in it, out into the hall. Then at least, the class could have continued. Any administrative punishment could have been applied (suspension, whatever) without manhandling her.

This story would be very different if she had sustained, for example, a broken neck.

Keep in mind that she was being disrespectful and disobedient, not threatening or endangering her classmates or teacher.

Glad the bully was fired.
 
No he flipped the student and physically dragged her...if he intended on removing her from the classroom, he could have dragged her backwards in the desk. He added force to the situation not because it was needed but because he was angry, IMO. And as someone said previously, a parent treating a child in this manner for the reasons given could be charged with abuse (and rightfully so). The "punishment" certainly did not fit the "crime."

(In response to ~n~t...and if you'll re-read, my OP said drag out desk and all..not flipping her desk and dragging her out).
 
The sheriff made it clear that both the admin and the teacher, and the majority of students agreed with what the RO did.

How on earth would the sheriff know what the majority of students were thinking?
 
How on earth would the sheriff know what the majority of students were thinking?

They were probably interviewed IMO.

He said at a news conference that the department looked at cellphone videos taken from the classroom and interviews with witnesses, and concluded that the maneuvers he used in the confrontation were "not acceptable."

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/south-carolina-deputy-ben-fields-fired-job-sheriff-n452881

Lott said they're looking at the videos taken by students inside the class and conducting interviews with the witnesses to determine whether the officer should have escalated the situation with physical force.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...uth-carolina-student-punching-officer-n452481
 
I haven't read every post on this thread.

Assume your child did something equally disrespectful in class. How many of you who think the officer did the right thing would be okay with an officer doing the same to your child in school?

I thought that is why we took corporal punishment OUT of schools.

I honestly cannot believe that anyone thinks this is okay.
 
I think it came simultaneously with school districts not allowing teachers to touch students. That admin could have gotten the girl up and out of her chair, as could two physically fit female teachers. They weren't allowed to, by school rules, so now we've got cops in the schools.

Same thing, I think, is why we have "inventory control specialists" - i.e., rentacops in department stores. Because alert employees are no longer allowed to confront customers they witness stealing.

Discipline that relies on "touching" people is not discipline.

But I agree that the movement in the direction of having cops on site was a fall out of removing (or being critical of--depending on the state, not sure what the law is in South Carolina--a number of states still allow) corporal punishment from schools. In some cases this led to teacher rebellions--demanding "time out" rooms and special schools for students they perceived as having "behavioral issues," along with a likely increase in out of school suspensions and expulsions. What did NOT happen to any great degree was enhanced teacher training in what we have come to refer to as "classroom management." .

The SRO movement does not seem to have helped in any way. Rather than offering some measure of enhanced protection for students (or those mythical students "who really want to learn"), it has encouraged the kinds of excesses we saw on film and the criminalization of many minor infractions. And far from helping students, it has harmed a lot of marginal students who really don't need to have a juvenile record behind them.
 
The problem here, is this isn't a simple right/wrong scenario, as few in life are. This is very nuanced. This story has a LOT of moving parts.

The girl was wrong and needed to be removed physically. The officer, in removing her physically, used a method not taught or sanctioned by the sheriff's department. So he's been fired. And in all this, Lott's having thoughts about how best to use law enforcement in the classroom as a result of this incident. It's nuanced. He IS on both sides of the fence. The girl isn't off the hook for her behavior, just because the cop misbehaved. It's really not a tidy, neat story that can be wrapped up with there, we've got rid of the cop.

The girl, according to reports, was wrong.

Where we branch off is with the assumption that she then "needed" to be removed from the classroom. The teacher had all kinds of options--one of which being to ignore her behavior while continuing the lesson--or getting the rest of the students started--and then dealing with her behavior at a later point. Not as sexy as a showdown, but end of the day far more likely to be effective.

Absolutely loved the teacher posting above who talked about preventive discipline. Sneaking a peek at a phone during class is the sort of thing best viewed as a universal tendency requiring whole-class kinds of solutions rather than trying to confront each and every instance and regarding it as a individual issue.

Back in my day we passed notes in class. Sometimes we got caught. I don't remember anyone ever being arrested and charged with "disrupting school" as a result.
 
What he said at the presser it seems this other video shows nothing new but maybe a Better angle of the student hitting the officer. But he didn't claim the hit came prior to the officer placing his hands on her. So I still don't know what it will show.

I think it would Good for the school to video all admin situation themselves.

Yeah--looks like she hit at him, while the desk was turning over.
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...riddled-injuries-including-rug-burn-face.html

Todd Rutherford, the attorney representing the 16-year-old Spring Valley student at the center of the controversy, revealed to New York Daily News on Wednesday afternoon that his client has only recently lost her mother and was living in foster care.

If this is true how awful that this girl is going through something like this and the teachers, admin and RO had so little compassion.
 
Did you never get caught whispering or passing notes in school, or daydreaming while looking out the window?

I think you missed my point. Entirely. Simply put: More respect; less sense of entitlement.

ETA: IMO Neither the student or LEO were right in any of this.
 
Isn't that what he tried to do? Drag the student out in the hall?

No, he did not try to do that. He flipped her desk over (almost hitting another student with the desk in the process), then flung her across the floor, and handcuffed her inside the classroom. He arrested her inside the class room. He made no attempt to get her to the hall.
 
She could have texts from or pictures of her mother on that phone and that was why she would never hand it over.

I am just disgusted if she is dealing with this and teacher showed no compassion.
No one tried to sit down and figure out what he problem was....
 
I think you missed my point. Entirely. Simply put: More respect; less sense of entitlement.

ETA: IMO Neither the student or LEO were right in any of this.

Oh no. The sense of entitlement came through crystal clear.

IMO the student committed a minor infraction the equivalent of which every student has committed at least once.


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She could have texts from or pictures of her mother on that phone and that was why she would never hand it over.

I am just disgusted if she is dealing with this and teacher showed no compassion.
No one tried to sit down and figure out what he problem was....

I know. Learning about her mom... And here everyone is talking about respect. The teacher should be ashamed. Jmo.


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