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Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 25s25 seconds ago
While we wait for juror questions, I'd like to announce that @bethkaras' lipgloss is a stunning rose tent. Romantic as all hell. #jodiarias

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 20s21 seconds ago
Q1: in your assessment was #jodiarias mentally ill before the murder?

Tammy Rose ‏@News20Chopper 13s14 seconds ago
Juror question #1, "In your assessment was #JodiArias mentally ill prior to the murder?"

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 23s24 seconds ago
DrDe says she doesn't believe #JodiArias truly has borderline personality disorder

Steve Krafft ‏@SKrafftFox10 36s37 seconds ago
DeMarte: #jodiarias had mental health issues dating back to high school.

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 30s30 seconds ago
Q2: Wants specifics about Geff's tests & errors. De: Any psychologist could pick up on his errors. #jodiarias

Tammy Rose ‏@News20Chopper 5s5 seconds ago
Dr. DeMarte says there were a number of mistakes Dr. Geffner made but any psychologist could have picked out his errors. #JodiArias

Steve Krafft ‏@SKrafftFox10 32s32 seconds ago
DeMarte says she did a better job of testing #jodiarias than Dr. Geffner.

Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer 25s25 seconds ago
Questions for DeMarte. How does she know Geffner made mistakes on tests? She said it is obvious without specifically saying why?

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 23s23 seconds ago
How many tests did DrDe give #jodiarias? De lists numerous tests but doesn't give #. #jodiarias

Tammy Rose ‏@News20Chopper 17s17 seconds ago
Another juror asks about DeMarte's experience on sexual and domestic abuse. #JodiArias

Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer 13s13 seconds ago
Jury question asks DeMarte about her experience treating domestic violence and sexual abuse. She goes back to her training.

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 30s30 seconds ago
How many years of exp does DrD have in treating DV victims? De. Since 2004. #jodiarias
 
Tammy Rose ‏@News20Chopper 38s39 seconds ago
Juror question, "Do these fields require certification?" #JodiArias

Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer 17s18 seconds ago
The jury is asking multiple questions about DeMarte's experience.

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 10s11 seconds ago
Did De treat patients with or without supervision n 04? De says she saw patients w/o someone in room but met w/supervisor weekly. #jodiarias

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ 19s20 seconds agoPhoenix, AZ
In your assessment was Jodi mentally ill prior to murder?D- BPD doesn't come out of the blue it happens over time #jodiarias #3tvarias

Tammy Rose ‏@News20Chopper 26s27 seconds ago
Juror question, "Do you feel knowledge of a sexual assault is as traumatic as a memory of it?" #JodiArias

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 20s20 seconds ago
Q: Can the body have reactions to certain stimuli that trigger feelings to suppressed feelings? #jodiarias

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 37s38 seconds ago
A: De says yes. #jodiarias

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 17s18 seconds ago
Q: in convo TA says JA can have his pwords. Is it still intrusive if someone logs on? #jodiarias

Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer 16s17 seconds ago
Question: If #jodiarias and Alexander traded passwords willingly, how is it intrusive? DeMarte says when it became unwanted.

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 10s11 seconds ago
De says it was appropriate at that time but at some point TA expressed that made him uncomfortable & she continued. #jodiarias

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ 18s18 seconds agoPhoenix, AZ
Without having training in DAPS, why do you think Geffner did this incorrectly? #jodiarias #3tvarias
 
Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 43s43 seconds ago
Q: were the girls TA was telling #jodiarias was a stalker aware of their relationship?

Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer 31s31 seconds ago
Question: Did Alexander's various women know about #jodiarias? DeMarte thinks they did not know the extent of it sexually.

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 44s44 seconds ago
A: De says they were aware of their relationship but not the sexual nature. #jodiarias

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 25s25 seconds ago
Q: how long did #jodiarias work at purple plum? De doesn't know.

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 13s13 seconds ago
De only met with #jodiarias 4 times.

Tammy Rose ‏@News20Chopper 30s30 seconds ago
DeMarte says it wasn't intrusive behavior when they exchanged passwords but it became clear later on that she was. #JodiArias


 
Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 28s29 seconds ago
Q: how far back did de's forensic evaluation go? A: throughout her lifespan. #jodiarias

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 26s26 seconds ago
Q: do you consider borderline personality disorder a mental illness? A: it is considered a mental illness: #jodiarias

Tammy Rose ‏@News20Chopper 6s6 seconds ago
Juror question, "How far back did your forensic evaluation go?" DeMarte says she looked as far back as #JodiArias' childhood.

Steve Krafft ‏@SKrafftFox10 18s18 seconds ago
DeMarte: #jodiarias' borderline personality disorder is not a "mental illness" but "disorder." Will jurors care about this distinction?

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 28s28 seconds ago
Q: dissociation related to BPD? A: one of the symptoms of BPD is dissociation. #jodiarias

Tammy Rose ‏@News20Chopper 14s14 seconds ago
Juror questions done. Juan's back up. #JodiArias


 
These questions are really bothering me. I don't feel good about them.

Zuri, so sorry about your horse and horse baby.
 
Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 23s24 seconds ago
Follow up from state: Juan ask re Geff error. De says time frames of tests overlap each other so tests weren't valid. #jodiarias

Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer 12s12 seconds ago
Martinez follows up. DeMarte says #jodiarias answered differently in two versions of same test.

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 29s30 seconds ago
2 answers on Geff's tests were different when they should have been the same. #jodiarias

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ 21s22 seconds agoPhoenix, AZ
I can't tweet

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ 32s33 seconds agoPhoenix, AZ
DR It's self reporting & you don't need extensive training n this. I've read the manual several times & the mistakes were clear #jodiarias

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 22s23 seconds ago
Juan confirms she has 11 years of experience. #jodiarias

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ 31s31 seconds agoPhoenix, AZ
How many test are available in diagnosis PTSD and the other disorders the DR. tested her on #jodiarias #3tvarias

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ 28s28 seconds agoPhoenix, AZ
Dr-There are some more popular than others with research but there are many #jodiarias #3tvarias

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ 25s25 seconds agoPhoenix, AZ
How many did you administerDr- 4 seperate ones #jodiarias #3tvarias

Tammy Rose ‏@News20Chopper 37s38 seconds ago
Another sidebar. Still photographer is here. Yeah! #JodiArias

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ 38s39 seconds agoPhoenix, AZ
How many years of experience do you have on treating DVD- since 2004 I see this routinely #jodiarias #3tvarias

Steve Krafft ‏@SKrafftFox10 37s38 seconds ago
Sidebar 16. If you took the over, you're a winner. #jodiarias

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ 43s44 seconds agoPhoenix, AZ
How many years experience with sexual abuse?D- 2204 but I see this all the time #jodiarias #3tvarias

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ 31s32 seconds agoPhoenix, AZ
Do these require certification?Dr- You need testing but for DV there isn't anything out there #jodiarias #3tvarias

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ 29s30 seconds agoPhoenix, AZ
When treating patients in 2004-08 did you have another psychologist with youDr- We see the patients by ourselves but meet w/ a licensed psy


 
Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 43s43 seconds agoView translation
Juan done. Nurmi up. #jodiarias

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ 32s32 seconds agoPhoenix, AZ
Do u feel the knowledge of a sexual assault is as damaging as the memory of it?D- It can manifest into PTSD but u have 2 have the symptoms

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 43s44 seconds ago
Nurmi asks De if she knows TA's bday. De does. #jodiarias

Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer 52s53 seconds ago
Martinez gets DeMarte to repeat that mental illness and psychological disorder mean pretty much the same thing. Now Nurmi. #jodiarias

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ 48s49 seconds agoPhoenix, AZ
Can the body have reactions 2 certain stimuli that trigger feelings 2 suppressed memories D- It can trigger emotions & a physical response

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 42s43 seconds ago
Nurmi asks if #JodiArias was 25 when she met TA. De corrects him "26"

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ 57s58 seconds agoPhoenix, AZ
In communications between TA and JA he told her he could have his passwords so how is this unwanted and intrusive? #jodiarias #3tvarias

Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer 42s43 seconds ago
Nurmi gets DeMarte to acknowledge #jodiarias had no prior criminal record.

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 41s42 seconds ago
Nurmi & De discuss that #JodiArias can't just "catch" BPD

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ 1m1 minute agoPhoenix, AZ
Dr- I wouldn't conclude that intrusive but as time went on he didn't want her to access these things & he told her not to and she continued
 
Steve Krafft ‏@SKrafftFox10 1m1 minute ago
Quickly back to #jodiarias atty Kirk Nurmi. Points out Arias had no criminal record prior to killing Travis Alexander.

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ 1m1 minute agoPhoenix, AZ
Some communications between TA and other women where TA said Jodi wouldn't leave him alone. Were these women aware he was still seeing her?

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ 58s59 seconds agoPhoenix, AZ
Dr- They weren't aware of the extent #jodiarias #3tvarias

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 1m1 minute ago
Nurmi asks if #JodiArias has BPD when she meets TA and now Dr says "Yes."

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ 1m1 minute agoPhoenix, AZ
How long in total did Jodi work at the Purple Plum both timesD- I need to look ...not sure #jodiarias #3tvarias

Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer 2m2 minutes ago
Nurmi got DeMarte to say that #jodiarias would have had borderline personality disorder at the time she met Travis Alexander. That's it.

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ 2m2 minutes agoPhoenix, AZ
Did you monitor her at all after the 4 timesD- NO #jodiarias #3tvarias

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ 1m1 minute agoPhoenix, AZ
How far back did ur forensic evaluation go and were all the records availableD- Yes as far as I knew I had everything #jodiarias #3tvarias

Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer 1m1 minute ago
Judge Stephens calls the lawyers to the bench. Will there be another witness today? #jodiarias

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ 1m1 minute agoPhoenix, AZ
Do you consider BPD a mental illness or physiological disorder..why?Dr- She described the disorder #jodiarias #3tvarias

Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer 38s39 seconds ago
Stephens says no trial tomorrow. She is now going to call jurors in one at a time for questioning.

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 35s36 seconds ago
No trial tomorrow. Each juror is now being privately called in to chambers. They will return Wednesday at 9:30am. #jodiarias

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ 35s36 seconds agoPhoenix, AZ
How does dissociation play into BPD?D- It's anxiety provoking and it's a protective factor #jodiarias #3tvarias

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ 24s25 seconds agoPhoenix, AZ
No trial tomorrow/ returns Wed 9:30am MSTJudge wants to talk to each juror individually back in chambers #jodiarias #3tvarias

Tammy Rose ‏@News20Chopper now
No trial Tuesday. Court continues Wednesday at 9:30 am. Judge is going to call each juror privately in chambers before going home #JodiArias
 
Why would the judge be talking to each juror individually now? Another problem?
 
Steve Krafft ‏@SKrafftFox10 29s30 seconds ago
No #jodiarias trial tomorrow. Judge says she will question each juror separately in chambers this afternoon. #Fox10Phoenix

Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer 37s37 seconds ago
DeMarte finishes off a can of soda as she crosses the courtroom, drops it in the wastebasket and pushes through the door.

Michael Kiefer ‏@michaelbkiefer 38s39 seconds ago
Stephens leaves the bench.

Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 31s31 seconds ago
I misunderstood initial answer from De or maybe that was the intention. #JodiArias did have BPD b4 murder. Nurmi cleared it up.




 
Wild About Trial ‏@WildAboutTrial 46s46 seconds ago
Flores looks like he's lost weight.
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I don't like any of those questions, I am afraid we have a very anti DP jury. This is sicking, I am not watching this trial anymore. This DT just gets away with everything. After that horrid performance by the screaming Nurmi, they come up with questions like that? I am afraid she will get LWP if Judge Stephens has her way and in fourteen years she will be out on the street to kill again. Such a tradgy.
 
.......and it seems that's it for today AND tomorrow. Still watching the feed...........
 
Wondering if no court tomorrow is connected with odd phone call Willmont got?
Wondering why JSS speaking with each juror privately?
 
I hope you are right, Bernina. I would hate it if it is a juror problem.
 
1. Was JA mentally ill prior to the murder? She has BPD and it doesn't come out of the blue.

2. Without having training in DAPS testing, what is your basis for believing RG administered incorrectly? it is self-reporting test. Don't need extensive training in it. I have read the manual several times--many mistakes.

3. How many tests are there to diagnose the disorder and PTSD? There are 100s of tests. Some are more popular.

4. How many did you personally administer? RAP, MMPI, TSI, WAIS. Four.

5. How many years experience do you have in treating DV? Since 2004.

6. How many years experience with victims of sexual abuse? Same time frame.

7. Do these fields require certification? Yes for a clinical psychologist. In terms of PTSD or DV, there's no certification out there.

8. When you were treating patients from 2004-2008, was it by yourself or with another psychologist? While unlicensed, we practice under the license of another psychologist but we meet alone with the patient.

9. Do you feel that the knowledge of a sexual assault is as damaging as having a memory of it? Memory supports symptoms of intrusive thoughts. It wouldn't be PTSD without memory.

10. Can the body have reactions to certain stimuli that triggers emotions to a memory? Yes--there could be a physiological reaction.

11. In one of the communications between JA and TA, TA says JA can have all of his passwords. Is it still unwanted intrusive behavior? No--not when they exchanged. As time went on, it was clear TA took away the permission.

12. There were some communications between TA and other women where he complained that JA wouldn't leave him alone. Were these people, like Michele Lowry, aware of his relationship with JA? Not the the extent it was sexual.

13. How long in total did JA work at the Purple Plum both times? Doesn't have the exact times she worked there.

14. Did you monitor her at all after the 4 times you met with her? No.

15. How far back did your forensic evaluation go and were all the records were available? All the records pertaining to her were made available to me, as far as I know. Evaluation went back to her childhood.

16. Do you consider BPD a mental illness or psychological disorder and why? It's a psychological disorder (same as metal illness)

17. How does dissociation play into BPD? It's a technique to distance oneself from an environment that is anxiety-provoking. One of the symptoms of BPD is dissociation and paranoia.


Questions in black, answers in blue. From BK's site, with spelling correction and observations omitted. Hope this is OK with the Mods.........tremendous amount of info on BK's site, worth the monthly cost, heck, about the price of a straw frapp, but I've only been to Starbuck's once, in 1990, LOL!
 
I hope you are right, Bernina. I would hate it if it is a juror problem.

Wonder if this craziness (Wilmont, "OMG") *might* be the alleged "cease and desist"?

I've never seen a "legal letter of intent" done without the legal firm or attorney's header on it....and Katter's middle initial was in lower case.
 
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