Small Details that are interesting in the Cooper Harris case, #1

[Ruby]

Regarding the cruise trip:

I think his half-brother made the comment just to show RH had future plans with Cooper.
Nothing more, nothing less :seeya:


I sure do like these smileys :loveyou:

moo :moo:

 

[EvilSoup]

I am well aware of that. I do not know if Ross knew or not. But supposedly Ross wanted to choose a kid-friendly cruise and the waterslide was the feature that made him consider this cruise to be such. Obviously he was wrong or planned to bail out on the plans (he could not really afford anyway) at the last minute when he found the baby could not use the facilities. Maybe he figured he'd get them all on the ship and leave Leanna with Cooper when they "found out" Cooper could not use the pool, and be free to do what he wanted.

Sounds like a Ross move.

Going through his Reddit posts, even the ones after Cooper's birth, he was always going to some concert, game, refereeing, etc. He was also always recommending restaurants in ATL. How many of these activities do you think LH participated in? And if she did, how much fun could she have caring for a infant?

I had to finally tell my ex that I would not go out to any more frequent family dinners or get-togethers (his family, not mine). I would be on the sidelines caring for my newborn, with no privacy for breastfeeding, and nobody to hold the baby so I could eat my meal or go pee or play some football in the back yard for a few minutes.

It was bad enough to be expected to go to these gatherings, but then to be left out and have no offer of help, it was awful. For me and my little one.

So I told my ex, "F and I will stay home, thank you. I can better care for her needs at home. Especially with no help. Have fun and tell everyone I said hi!". :great:

Of course they all thought I was just a big ole beotch. And I didn't care!

 

[human]

Thank goodness! For a moment there I was beginning to understand why my 80-year-old father had suddenly developed a penchant for cruises! (Ewww).

I just don't see taking a little one on a regular cruise. I would be a nervous wreck. Kids are noisy (uh-hum), and I would be worried that mine was keeping up fellow passengers at all hours, that they would be tired and cranky and bored, the safety factor of "open" decks and...well lots of other reasons come to mind. Nope. I would not even consider taking a small child on a cruise...but then the operative word there is consider, the root word for considerate, something IMO RH is not.

OT OT OT

For part of the year, I live in a foreign country that gets cruises.

No nudity allowed in the country I am in . Topless happens, but people are not very impressed.

Anyway, I was on the beach and I noticed a man in his 50's strutting around in a thong. He was very unattractive with his not very good physique, but he thought he was quite hot.

Hubby and I talked to some older people in the water. Most of the people on the beach were quite old .

I was commenting to a friend later about the thong guy. She said it was a nude cruise.

Bluck. Sorry if people think they are going to see hot young people on those cruises. Of course, it could be possible on the cheaper ones closer to the US. But where I live, the people were old because they were the ones that could afford such a trip.

Not impressed. No thank you. No wonder cruise ships have so many illnesses on them.

https://www.cruisenude.com

 

[Cinnamon]

OT OT OT

For part of the year, I live in a foreign country that gets cruises.

No nudity allowed in the country I am in . Topless happens, but people are not very impressed.

Anyway, I was on the beach and I noticed a man in his 50's strutting around in a thong. He was very unattractive with his not very good physique, but he thought he was quite hot.

Hubby and I talked to some older people in the water. Most of the people on the beach were quite old .

I was commenting to a friend later about the thong guy. She said it was a nude cruise.

Bluck. Sorry if people think they are going to see hot young people on those cruises. Of course, it could be possible on the cheaper ones closer to the US. But where I live, the people were old because they were the ones that could afford such a trip.

Not impressed. No thank you. No wonder cruise ships have so many illnesses on them.

https://www.cruisenude.com

BBM. I agree. And, yes, it's not just possible on US cruises -- or more correctly on cruises that sail out of the US (my understanding is that most, if not all, cruise ships that sail out of the US, are actually registered in foreign countries) --it's not just possible, it DOES happen. There were lots of hot young (and not so young), scantily dressed people on EVERY cruise (4 or 5) I've been on....thongs, barely covered breasts, speedos, inappropriate behavior, LOTS of alcohol, drugs (apparently in international waters, smoking weed was not a crime ON the ship. In fact, the last night of one of my cruises, during the cruise director's disembarkation instructions, we were told (paraphrasing)...if you picked up any special "cigarettes" on the island, you might want to dispose of them before US Customs boards the ship in port (Florida) in the morning. You name it, I've seen it on my cruises.

Personally, I had fun on all my cruises. But, IMO, it is NOT an environment for kids at all (unless it's a cruise specifically for kids). I have witnessed all kinda shady ish on my cruises. Our first cruise was during spring break in April...OMG! A ship full of unsupervised teenagers! (ETA: there were chaperons with the teens, but the chaperons were too busy doing their own ish, and the kids were mostly unsupervised. moo). It was pretty awful, they were wild and out of control! But, again, it wasn't just the teens, "old" people acted a fool too, some in my group. SMH. JMO.

ETA: IMO, cruises are no longer that expensive. If you get a cabin on a lower deck and travel off-season (i.e. hurricane season, it's about $200 or less, per person. Of course, food is included (also juice, water, milk, ice cream). Alcohol and pop (soda) is extra. So, if you don't drink alcohol and/or pop, if you don't do port excursions, or shop in the gift shops, gamble in the casino etc, you could cruise very cheaply. I've seen that done by people in my groups too. Not my way to cruise, but to each his own. Moo.

 

[Sonya610]

Bluck. Sorry if people think they are going to see hot young people on those cruises.

LOL...I am truly not a prude...but I don't want to see a bunch of nekkid people whether they are "hot and young" or otherwise.

There is a reason virtually ALL cultures around the world demand the wearing of CLOTHES when out in public! Humans look much better that way.

 

[New1]

I don't understand all the doubt about whether Cooper was strapped into his car seat. He would have moved around in the car and tried to get out if he had not been strapped into the seat. Common sense should tell anybody that.

 

[Evie Ivy Over]

I know you think Stoddard made up everything he said, but according to his testimony, the seat being used was the smaller "infant" seat that had been replaced recently with a more suitable seat. Stoddard said Ross indicated that he knew the seat was not appropriate, but that the correct seat was still in Leanna's car after her trip to see family two weeks earlier. No explanation was given for it NOT having been moved to Roscoe's car. If Cooper had not been buckled in, would he not have gotten up and pounded on windows, crying, screaming, wiping tears and boogers on the glass? Beating his little head against the windows? Why would he sit patiently in a seat he was not strapped into, bashing his head against the back and clawing his face instead?

I had responded to this post, but I guess someone took offense to me proposing something other than that RH is a murderer because I don't see it now...so, I'll just watch "Frozen", and sing along with "Let It Go".........................

 

[Inthedetails]

I don't understand all the doubt about whether Cooper was strapped into his car seat. He would have moved around in the car and tried to get out if he had not been strapped into the seat. Common sense should tell anybody that.

Unless he were dead before being put in the seat. I don't think that is the case, but that would be a reason not to bother buckling him. A deceased baby wouldn't move all around the car. Again, I don't believe this what happened but I'm glad people asked the question because it reminded me to question every assumption.

 

[human]

LOL...I am truly not a prude...but I don't want to see a bunch of nekkid people whether they are "hot and young" or otherwise.

There is a reason virtually ALL cultures around the world demand the wearing of CLOTHES when out in public! Humans look much better that way.

It seems that the topless I have seen are from the US and Eastern European countries. With the new wealth over in Eastern Europe, there seems to be traveling going on. The Eastern Europeans have the younger pert ones .

Hubby says that when he is in the beach, he does not know where to look.

Speedos are worn by fat old men. The hot hot hot guys wear board shorts.

It is interesting because women of all shapes and ages wear two piece suits.

I guess it is good not to care. Do women in the US wear two piece suits as well?

I have never wanted to go on a cruise and now it sounds worse than I ever knew.

Living where I do, I see the clients are paraded around to the different purchasing options and that's it.

Might as well stay home , save the money, and shop and party till you drop

 

[Lovejac]

Baby dies after being left in hot car in Kansas
Posted: Jul 25, 2014 12:02 PM EDT
Updated: Jul 25, 2014 12:02 PM EDT
By Associated Press

Police say a 10-month-old girl has died after being left in a hot car outside a house in south Wichita.

Officers found the girl unresponsive inside the car Thursday evening. She was pronounced dead a short time later.

Police say the child was in the car for about two hours. She was the foster child of two men. The car was parked outside their home. Police took the men in for questioning.

The National Weather Service says the high temperature was 90 degrees on Thursday.

Police were expected to release more information on the case at a briefing Friday morning.

http://www.wfla.com/story/26113510/baby-dies-after-being-left-in-hot-car-in-kansas

Great. There is #18 for the year so far :facepalm:

Poor baby

 

[matou]

The Marietta Daily Journal is stating that Ross is deaf in his left ear and everything else I've seen is saying he is deaf in his right ear. Media error? I still want proof regardless but thought this was interesting.

http://www.mdjonline.com/view/full_story/25490723/article-Profiler--doctor-analyze-Harris

 

[tlcya]

I was under the impression RH noticed Cooper when he was switching lanes, not making a right turn?
To me, this is a small detail that does interest me - IMO there's a difference in body movement to switch to right lane, than there is to just turn right.

:couch:

Correct, RH told Stoddard he noticed Cooper when turning his head right in order to make a lane change. What struck me with that testimony is that it did not align with witness statements from on the scene who said RH told them his child was choking.

Nor did it seem to make sense in light of the turns and lane changes involved in going from CFA to the TreeHouse in the morning.

Made me wonder, what about THIS lane change in the evening finally made him notice (according to him)?

 

[New1]

Unless he were dead before being put in the seat. I don't think that is the case, but that would be a reason not to bother buckling him. A deceased baby wouldn't move all around the car. Again, I don't believe this what happened but I'm glad people asked the question because it reminded me to question every assumption.

The ME said he died from hyperthermia. I suppose if one still wonders if he might have already been dead, they could come up with thinking that RH and LH left him in the car the night before, but then how would they explain him being seen on video at Chic-fil-A alive and well minutes before RH got to work?

 

[popsicle]

I had responded to this post, but I guess someone took offense to me proposing something other than that RH is a murderer because I don't see it now...so, I'll just watch "Frozen", and sing along with "Let It Go".........................

Maybe it was in one of the other threads?

 

[MyBelle]

I don't understand all the doubt about whether Cooper was strapped into his car seat. He would have moved around in the car and tried to get out if he had not been strapped into the seat. Common sense should tell anybody that.

I can't speak for other posters but the reason I've questioned whether Cooper was strapped into his car seat is because it adds to the degree of cruelty and suffering the child endured. Stoddard testified Harris told him he strapped him "tightly." Stoddard also testified the straps were adjusted improperly which means if Cooper's shoulders were put into those shoulder straps, they were too tight. Intentionally too tight.

As in: there was no way for him to get out of them=premeditated murder.

JMO

 

[Evie Ivy Over]

Maybe it was in one of the other threads?

No, it was here--just unpopular. LOL! (No further comment on that subject.)

 

[Baznme]

Now see, THAT would be a believable lie. Except for the rigor in seated position.

I really feel Ross was waving a hinky banner to the cops with his over-the-top screaming, yet leaving his baby on the concrete and talking on the phone. Then all those details about snuggling watching cartoons, strapping in tight, kissing in case he dies (seriously, WTF with THAT? )---they were all just a big "I'm such an awesome dad! Please send donations to .....".

Ross thought he had the cops snowed. His act certainly worked on his many supporters those first couple of weeks. And my gut feeling is that if Ross hadn't acted like such a horse's butt, LE might have believed the grieving father act, too. I think maybe even the sexting, while embarrassing, wouldn't have appeared as nefarious if the rest of the story and Ross' behavior seemed more real. No offense to LE, but Ross certainly had precedent on his side. Maybe I'm wrong and the cops would have seen through even a good act, but I think Ross screwed himself.

And.....on another note, I ashamed to say, one time, when driving to my in-laws a few blocks over, I did not buckle in my newborn.

It was a super cold day and I had bundled her up, then lay a blanket over her in the carseat.( I knew the car wouldn't warm up enough during such a short trip.) My MIL called again to ask where I was, so in a hurry, I went out to the car, clicked the seat into the base, and drove over.

Once I got to my MIL's and brought the baby inside, I took off her blanket and realized she was only SITTING in the seat, and not buckled in! I like to have died on the spot!

After that, I kept a blanky in the car and only covered her once I had her buckled in and snapped into the base.

EvilSoup, you just cleared something up for me. Here I've been wondering how he went to lunch that day and acted "normal" with his buddies even with the daycare building still in plain view. When he went to Home Depot because he "remembered" buying "lightbulbs", yet forgot his son, then returning to work and getting the blanket email from daycare, which should have reminded him at that time Cooper wasn't there. Another coincidence he didn't see that. Then forgetting to tell the police about visiting the car. Later to get on the phone to even talk once pulled over after Anthony proceeded to do CPR is the part I can't get past but again now leads me to believe he was acting the whole day. If that had been any real "Normal" person, they would be so beside themselves, getting on the phone would have more than likely been an impossibility. I wouldn't even be together enough to have the forethought to call anyone or push the right buttons. You are so right. This guy had this all planned but he overcompensated with his act and since this isn't LE's first rodeo, they saw right through this.

If you look in the maps section and see what Gngr-Snap put up, it shows the daycare was in plain view the whole of the day. Gives you the real-time perception of what it was like looking through his eyes as he went from one place to another. Just unreal this man could choke down a sandwich so easily 2 hours after breakfast with his only son and then not remember him at all?

 

[LinasK]

The Marietta Daily Journal is stating that Ross is deaf in his left ear and everything else I've seen is saying he is deaf in his right ear. Media error? I still want proof regardless but thought this was interesting.

http://www.mdjonline.com/view/full_story/25490723/article-Profiler--doctor-analyze-Harris

That can be proven by having his hearing tested. An Audiogram will show the results and degree of hearing impairment.

 

[Ruby]

Correct, RH told Stoddard he noticed Cooper when turning his head right in order to make a lane change. What struck me with that testimony is that it did not align with witness statements from on the scene who said RH told them his child was choking.

Nor did it seem to make sense in light of the turns and lane changes involved in going from CFA to the TreeHouse in the morning.

Made me wonder, what about THIS lane change in the evening finally made him notice (according to him)?

re: child choking - maybe when he noticed Cooper, he saw that he had a blueish coloring. Automatically thinking of choking. With all of the info regarding noises a body can make, well, maybe he did think he was choking?

I forgot where I heard, but I thought they were going to investigate and see if any cameras along his route captured lane changing? I did not recall any mention of lane changes in the morning - but many right hand turns. It would be beneficial to have some details. lol.

BBM: maybe the traffic was heavier in the evening than the morning? Sometimes just a rear view mirror check will do, but other times you need a complete twist to the right in order to see a clearing.

Who knows.?, just some thoughts or moo :moo:

I'm not stuck on any one view - I'm waiting for the trial.

 

[matou]

Another poster brilliantly mentioned how extremely detailed Ross was with LE about what they did that morning, when they woke , where they went that morning, how he buckled Cooper in and what he said to Cooper, etc. Yet he does not extend his detailed recollection to his lunch. He told LE that he went to lunch with friends but did not mention going to his vehicle at all. This really really bothers me and most likely LE too IMO. Going from extreme detail to none means someone is hiding something IMO.