Small Details that are interesting in the Cooper Harris case, #1

[cady]

I interpret it to mean that she has to almost "babysit" this man boy!

Jeeze she did have a lot on her plate! JMO

 

[PaperDoll]

Those who think Cooper wasn't buckled in seem to acknowledge that Ross TOLD the police this, but for some reason they think Ross was either mistaken, lying or that Cooper unbuckled himself. It is my understanding they also believe that although Cooper was not buckled in, he remained in the seat voluntarily. I'm not sure why, or why it matters, but it is a big issue for some posters.

Eta: Or perhaps they think LE is lying about Ross telling them that he strapped Cooper in.

Thank you :blowkiss: I'm going to believe LE over RH any day. LE wouldn't be in the position had it not been for RH leaving his child in the car to die, and since the child did die, LE is going to investigate RH with a fine tooth comb..

 

[Kip]

Baby dies after being left in hot car in Kansas
Posted: Jul 25, 2014 12:02 PM EDT
Updated: Jul 25, 2014 12:02 PM EDT
By Associated Press

Police say a 10-month-old girl has died after being left in a hot car outside a house in south Wichita.

Officers found the girl unresponsive inside the car Thursday evening. She was pronounced dead a short time later.

Police say the child was in the car for about two hours. She was the foster child of two men. The car was parked outside their home. Police took the men in for questioning.

The National Weather Service says the high temperature was 90 degrees on Thursday.

Police were expected to release more information on the case at a briefing Friday morning.

http://www.wfla.com/story/26113510/baby-dies-after-being-left-in-hot-car-in-kansas

I noted that in this case, the baby's maternal grandmother is pleading with authorities to let her hold the baby one more time.

I totally understand the grandmother's response. I didn't understand RH's or LH's behavior.

 

[cady]

Can we possibly stipulate that the child was INDEED strapped in? He would have had to have been unbuckled at chik fil a and died enroute to the Treehouse parking lot for him to NOT have been buckled in . Otherwise, a toddler would have been climbing around all over the car. I don't imagine that he died of hyperthermia if his father somehow killed him while driving the few minutes it took to arrive at the Treehouse parking lot. There are videos of both chik fil a and the parking lot. Also a medical examiner report on what caused his death. Whew. not JMO

 

[Lovejac]

When you say "those", I haven't read any other posts that discuss the fact that Cooper wasn't buckled in his carseat besides me. So that would be me that you and a few others keep referring to. Yes, I think RH lied. Yes, I do believe the car seat is a HUGE issue. And yes, it is a known fact that prosecutors and LE lie when building cases.

When you say "some posters", you can refer to me because I think I'm the only one who has addressed these concerns. Thanks!!!

It's probably not an intentional slight to not give you credit for your theory of Cooper not being buckled in the car seat.

Sometimes we read these threads so fast that we don't always pay attention to what poster is stating what.

I've taken note of your name and will try to advise other posters to give credit where credit is due, Evie Ivy Over

 

[Evie Ivy Over]

Can we possibly stipulate that the child was INDEED strapped in? He would have had to have been unbuckled at chik fil a and died enroute to the Treehouse parking lot for him to NOT have been buckled in . Otherwise, a toddler would have been climbing around all over the car. I don't imagine that he died of hyperthermia if his father somehow killed him while driving the few minutes it took to arrive at the Treehouse parking lot. There are videos of both chik fil a and the parking lot. Also a medical examiner report on what caused his death. Whew. not JMO

[modsnip] but I think Cooper was buckled in the back seat. If you look at the picture of the car seat with the buckle in the lower position (as testified by Stoddard), there is no way Cooper would have fit in those straps. And I don't really see that as something based on opinion--it appears to be a physical impossibility--I can't see how anyone can even envision that as a possibility. (Hope you see this before it's gone.)

 

[Evie Ivy Over]

It's probably not an intentional slight to not give you credit for your theory of Cooper not being buckled in the car seat.

Sometimes we read these threads so fast that we don't always pay attention to what poster is stating what.

I've taken note of your name and will try to advise other posters to give credit where credit is due, Evie Ivy Over

Thank you for your response, but I'm not looking for credit on anything--my guess is as good as anyone else's.[modsnip]

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

When you say "those", I haven't read any other posts that discuss the fact that Cooper wasn't buckled in his carseat besides me. So that would be me that you and a few others keep referring to. Yes, I think RH lied. Yes, I do believe the car seat is a HUGE issue. And yes, it is a known fact that prosecutors and LE lie when building cases.

When you say "some posters", you can refer to me because I think I'm the only one who has addressed these concerns. Thanks!!!

E I O---can you please explain why this is a huge issue? I am failing to understand why the car seat (buckled too tight, not buckled at all, buckled too loose) is a factor in this (at best) parental negligence resulting in the death of CH in a hot car for hours.
I'm curious, so could you please give a break down of your theory or explanantion of the relevance of this car seat issue?

TIA.

 

[Lovejac]

Thank you for your response, but I'm not looking for credit on anything--my guess is as good as anyone else's. What I think is that posters want to slam me for my theory, but for some reason won't address me personally about it.

I don't want you to feel slammed for your theory, but personally it's hard for me to follow.

I think members are just trying to understand why you feel this way, and I have seen a few of them directly quote you and ask for clarification.

 

[Evie Ivy Over]

E I O---can you please explain why this is a huge issue? I am failing to understand why the car seat (buckled too tight, not buckled at all, buckled too loose) is a factor in this (at best) parental negligence resulting in the death of CH in a hot car for hours.
I'm curious, so could you please give a break down of your theory or explanantion of the relevance of this car seat issue?

TIA.

I wrote something in the car seat thread.

 

[cady]

I can't say too much here, because my posts on this get deleted--but I think Cooper was buckled in the back seat. If you look at the picture of the car seat with the buckle in the lower position (as testified by Stoddard), there is no way Cooper would have fit in those straps. And I don't really see that as something based on opinion--it appears to be a physical impossibility--I can't see how anyone can even envision that as a possibility. (Hope you see this before it's gone.)

I guess we will have to wait to see the videos, but remember that Cooper was in rigor mortis such that he was the shape of the (too small) baby seat. IMO

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I wrote something in the car seat thread.

Couldn't find the answer in the "Car Seat" thread about your theory of the relevance of the car seat buckled in too tight or not too tight and why it is so "huge" as you've posted on this thread. But thanks for your contribution.

 

[EvilSoup]

That can be proven by having his hearing tested. An Audiogram will show the results and degree of hearing impairment.

He posted on Reddit that he was hearing impaired in his right ear, but that his left ear made up for it so that he hardly noticed the loss.

 

[Lovejac]

Couldn't find the answer in the "Car Seat" thread about your theory of the relevance of the car seat buckled in too tight or not too tight and why it is so "huge" as you've posted on this thread. But thanks for your contribution.

Here ya go :seeya:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?249256-CAR-SEAT-discussion&p=10787397#post10787397

 

[Ruby]

How did he see if CH was blue? CH was in a rear facing seat

Responding to the previous post, regarding choking - and yours regarding color:
If when RH claims he noticed Cooper, seeing a portion of his skin (top of his head), it may have been blue.

If I'm not mistaken, it was mentioned (msm, pch either or both) that Cooper's head was about an inch above the back of the car seat.
It may have been reported as a little higher? and portion of Coopers head would've been visible?

I'm just trying to contribute some explanations - just some thoughts or moo :moo:

I still question, and I'm waiting for trial to make a conclusion if/when/how visible Cooper was, exact position of car seat,
and exactly when was it that RH would have to have seen Cooper. (I'm hoping this sentence makes sense, lol)

 

[EvilSoup]

Hmmm. Just read it differently. "Get to work okay" as in get busy at work.
Or...
"Get to work okay" as in 'did you get to work okay?'
Wow. I read it the first way when I first heard it and just now the second way. Why would she even ask him if he got to work instead of asking if the baby got to daycare okay? Would her question make him think of Cooper??

My initial impression is that she was in on it.

Then, I thought maybe she wasn't, but also wasn't terribly surprised and still wanted to cover for her man.

Now, reading this in a new light.....I think LH knew all about it. "Did you say too much?" Looks even more damning now.

 

[cady]

Couldn't find the answer in the "Car Seat" thread about your theory of the relevance of the car seat buckled in too tight or not too tight and why it is so "huge" as you've posted on this thread. But thanks for your contribution.

I found Evie's post in car seat thread where she shared that her child is smaller than Cooper and could not have been crammed in that seat without "screaming bloody murder".... is that the post you are referring to, Evie? JMO

 

[osu]

They most certainly do. I cruise at minimum of once a year. All the men find some excuse to go on that deck. I don't care what is advertised. Nothing much seems to be illegal on these ships. If anyone think a cruise is fun for babies.....take one and chase him on decks or pay extravagantly for him to be at the on board day care. You have to pick child up at dinner time. Or chase them all day your self. Its not safe and its not fun for toddler or Mom.

Ross probably figured a cruise would be a perfect vacation...for him. LH would be plenty busy chasing Cooper all day long and then she would stay in the cabin with him at night. Which would give Ross plenty of free time to cruise the nightclubs and casinos to do his own thing.

 

[EvilSoup]

Thank you for your response, but I'm not looking for credit on anything--my guess is as good as anyone else's. What I think is that posters want to slam me for my theory, but for some reason won't address me personally about it.

Well, I will address you about this.

What does it matter if Cooper was buckled in or not?

If he was, that explains why he had rigor in a seated position.

If he wasn't, then just add another negligence charge onto Ross' ever-growing list of crimes.

Please explain why you think that Cooper was not buckled in, and also why it matters as far as intent or charges are concerned.

I really want to know. This is the perfect forum to explain your reasoning. No one is being hostile or telling you to not speak. Please DO speak.

I honestly think a lot of us are confused by what you are getting at.

ETA: I am not being rude. i really want you to have a chance to spell it out. i realized my post sounded kind of short. It was not meant that way.

 

[EvilSoup]

I don't want you to feel slammed for your theory, but personally it's hard for me to follow.

I think members are just trying to understand why you feel this way, and I have seen a few of them directly quote you and ask for clarification.

I just did, too. I think if she could explain why this mattered or was even a point of debate, we could shelve our confusion.