The Pontiac - "Revisted" #1

[Bittiness39]

Locking your child in a car trunk for a few minutes would be considered child abuse. (running into the store, child locked in car) Keeping the child there as a sitter situation, is really child abuse. Hours of abandonment in an oven)

Child dying during child abuse, makes the abuser eligible for DP. Not sure

Why is this still considered an angle by anyone? Respectfully, locking your child in a trunk in a humid climate like Orlando...would result in death long before this if it were a regular habit. It appears like most whom subscribe to this theory seem to think KC drugged Caylee a lot before now and used the trunk to hide her...how many times have kids died in cars in the seats of cars where the windows weren't rolled down? A lot. I doubt a child would have lasted one no more than two times in a trunk in the heat...with no holes...bs. Sorry. I respectfully disagree.

 

[Ripley007]

:doh: Now JB can use that as defence!

The old "Spaak in the trunk" defence!

:couch: Do not accept envelopes from strangers! Could be a subpoena as defence witness?

(Mind you KC will open herself up to charges at the Hague for trafficking in Whale meat?)

More likely Hillbillyshire Farms Squirrel Sausage. It's unamerican to eat whales.:crazy:

 

[Rumpole]

More likely Hillbillyshire Farms Squirrel Sausage. It's unamerican to eat whales.:crazy:

In the form of Squirreloni pizza?

 

[ecs5298]

In the form of Squirreloni pizza?

Now you guys are just getting plain silly. Everyone knows squirreloni isn't made with real squirrels. It's actually a mixture of bologna and cole slaw!

 

[BondJamesBond]

At the risk of going fftopic:again, I went to Scandinavia for three weeks with my youngest brother 20 years ago on a driving / camping trip. My brother hates fish :trout: so about the only thing he would eat over there was sausage. He bought some type of sausage in Norway with the name Spaak, made, IIRC, of whale meat. Personally, I did not think it smelled very good. It smelled even worse after he left half of it in the car for the day while we went hiking. :sick:

Even though we threw this half-eaten sausage out the car stunk for the remaining two weeks of the trip. We drove with the windows down and aired the thing out all the time. We returned the car in Hamburg, Germany, and a week later I see an 80 DM charge added to my bill for cleaning. I disputed the charge :argue: and recall a conversation with a rep over the phone where she related that they had never had a car smell that bad. Blame Spaak, I told them. :thumb:

Point is, if KC had ever bothered travelling to Norway and left half a Spaak in her car for even a day, she woulda known that smell was not going away on its own. :no:

...I fail to see how this is off-topic...is that a problem?

And did I mention, my sister was bitten by a moose once...

 

[MAMABEAR]

i don't think the ice-pops would still have been frozen.

does anyone have a scale map of the area regularly traversed by casey or a good idea of the distances involved? it strikes me that there's likely one already been posted somewhere.

Were them ice pops the kind you get in the big box---they aren't frozen. When you get them home , you put em in the freezer?

 

[BondJamesBond]

i don't think the ice-pops would still have been frozen.

does anyone have a scale map of the area regularly traversed by casey or a good idea of the distances involved? it strikes me that there's likely one already been posted somewhere.

esp. w/ the whole global warmin' thing kickin' in...just sayin'

FWIW, thanks to Georgia PI :highfive: there are links to google maps for each day of the case in the Case Analysis forum - just pick the thread titled with the date of interest (e.g. 6/27 for outta-gas-at-Amscot day). The link to the map is in post#1 of each thread. Each day map is marked w/ the cell phone pings of the day as well as the landmark locations of the day.

 

[jjgram]

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap::rolling::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::laughbig::laughitup::laughbig::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
d i t t o again ! ! !

JMO
God Bless !
jjgram

 

[jjgram]

Casey left the Pontiac chock-full of evidence. It had Amy's resume, a handwritten note with Ric and Amy's new address and personal papers including the Mrs. Casey Lazzaro page. The trunk was full of trash from Tony's apartment including receipts with Tony's roommate's names.

Most don't leave detailed directions to ALL their hide-outs in a car reeking of dead body fluid (on purpose).

Tony left town June 30. As soon as he was gone Casey was knocking on Amy's door and getting her to go with her to get a gas can. Tony picked Casey up onJune 27, a Friday afternoon. With all TL's teasing about maybe "not coming back from NY". Casey was probably stuck to him like glue cementing the relationship before he left. However the MINUTE he left Casey headed over to Amy's to get a gas can.

Casey probably intended to detail the car herself while Tony was gone. That way there would be no chance of him coming around to see what she was doing and asking to "help". If I were in Casey's shoes and needing to clean up a dead body, I'd rather do it when there was no chance of anyone else being around.

But she waited too long to get the car. Oops. Now what? No way could she call LE and report the car with dead baby hair and decomposition in the trunk...stolen. Oh well...

:clap: :clap: :clap:
GRRRRREAT POST !

sounds like KC............


JMO also !!!

God Bless !
jjgram

 

[brownflower]

I hope these pings from Casey's cell phone on June 27 will be considered facts:

the letters are locations
A-Close to Tony L
B-Close to Tony L
D-Close to Amscot

From these pings we can see that Casey circled Amscot several times.
Here's a link to a map of the ping locations

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg21/awakening2lite/CAping6272.jpg

I hope this is factual enough.

June 27, Friday

A~6:54 am 11 0sec
A~9:36 am Casey to Casey 34 sec
A~9:36 am 0 0 sec
A~9:37 am Shirley Plesea 131 sec
B~10:22 am Amy H 554 sec
n/a~10:34 am too many numbers 0 sec
J~10:35 am Jesse Grund 184 sec
H~11:09 am JC Penney online credit center 88 sec
K~11:28 am Tony L 0 sec
I~11:28 am Tony L 152 sec
H~11:31 am Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
H~11:32 am unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
H~11:33 am Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
L~11:34 am Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
L~11:34 am Amy H 0 sec Text about dead animal on car grill
J~11:37 am Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
J~11:39 am Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
D~11:40 am Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
D~11:41 am Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
D~11:41 am Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
F~11:42 am Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
F~11:43 am Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
D~11:44 am Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
D~11:47 am Tony L 115 sec
D~11:49 am Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
D~11:49 am Amy H 0 sec
D~11:51 am Jesse Grund 305 sec
D~11:58 am Amy H 0 sec
A~12:25 pm 1697722 0 sec
A~12:38 pm Jesse Grund 0 sec
A~12:51 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
B~1:02 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
D~1:03 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
D~1:04 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
A~1:04 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
A~1:05 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
A~1:09 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
A~1:09 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
B~1:10 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
A~1:11 pm Unknown Broward County 0 sec
A~1:12 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
A~1:12 pm Unknown Broward County 0 sec
A~1:13 pm Unknown Broward County 0 sec
A~1:14 pm Unknown Broward County 0 sec
A~1:14 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
A~1:16 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
A~1:17 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
A~1:17 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
A~1:18 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
A~1:32 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
B~1:26 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
B~1:27 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
D~1:27 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
D~1:28 pm Unknown Broward County 0 sec
D~1:28 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
D~1:36 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
D~1:40 pm Jesse Grund 0 sec
D~1:40 pm Unknown Winter Pk 7 sec
D~1:47 pm Jesse Grund 149 sec
B~1:47 pm Unknown 6 sec
D~1:51 pm Unknown Broward County 6 sec
D~1:51 pm Unknown Broward County 96 sec
A~2:03 pm Jesse Grund 5 sec
A~2:07 pm Jesse Grund 173 sec
A~2:11 pm JC Penney online credit center 11 sec
n/a~2:27 pm Thomas Blackburn 5 sec
n/a~2:27 pm Mark Hawkins 5 sec
M~3:03 pm Unknown 0 sec
M~3:05 pm Unknown 0 sec
M~3:05 pm Unknown 0 sec
D~3:10 pm Peter (friend of Troy) 0 sec
D~3:11 pm Unknown Broward County 0 sec
D~3:11 pm Unknown Broward County 0 sec
D~3:12 pm Unknown Broward County 0 sec
A~5:51 pm Shirley & Alex Plesea 57 sec
A~3:56 pm Mustang Parts 0 sec
D~5:00 pm Amy H 225 sec
A~5:31 pm Unknown Winter Park 0 sec
A~5:33 pm Unknown Winter Park 0 sec
A~5:33 pm Unknown Winter Park 0 sec
D~6:22 pm Unknown 0 sec
A~6:24 pm Unknown 0 sec
D~6:27 pm Troy Brown 0 sec
D~6:27 pm Sean Daly 0 sec
D~6:27 pm Unknown 0 sec
D~6:27 pm Annie Downing 0 sec
D~6:28 pm Sean Daly 0 sec
A~6:32 pm Unknown 0 sec
A~6:33 pm Unknown 0 sec
B~6:34 pm Sean Daly 0 sec
D~6:34 pm Unknown 0 sec
D~6:35 pm Unknown 0 sec
D~6:35 pm Sean Daly 0 sec
D~6:35 pm Unknown 0 sec
D~6:36 pm Sean Daly 0 sec
D~6:36 pm Unknown 0 sec
D~6:37 pm Sean Daly 0 sec
D~6:37 pm Unknown 0 sec
D~6:37 pm Unknown 0 sec
A~6:38 pm Unknown 0 sec
A~6:43 pm Shirley Plesea 259 sec
B~6:49 pm Mark Hawkins 48 sec
B~6:51 pm Mar Hawkins 0 sec
B~8:10 pm Troy Brown 0 sec
A~8:10 pm Troy Brown 0 sec
A~8:15 pm Jesse Grund 0 sec
A~8:16 pm Troy Brown 0 sec
A~8:16 pm Troy Brown 0 sec
A~8:32 pm Mark Denver (RE) 23 sec
n/a~8:33 pm Thomas Blackburn (3way?) 9 sec
n/a~8:33 pm Anthony House (3way?) 9 sec
E~8:36 pm Shirley Plesea 0 sec
E~8:46 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
E~8:50 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
E~8:50 pm Unknown Orange Co 0 sec
N~8:55 pm Unknown Orange Co 0 sec
G~8:56 pm Unknown Orange Co 0 sec
G~8:59 pm Unknown local 0 sec
G~9:00 pm Unknown Orange Co 0 sec
G~9:00 pm Unkown local 0 sec
G~9:01 pm Anthony House 129 sec
G~9:01 pm Unknown local 0 sec
G~9:06 pm Anthony house 384 sec
n/a~9:12 pm Tony L 0 sec
G~9:13 pm Tony L 2 sec
n/a~9:13 pm Amy H 2 sec
G~9:24 pm Amy H 30 sec
G~9:27 pm Tony L 5 sec
G~10:21 pm Jesse Grund 37 sec
G~10:38 pm Unknown 85 sec
G~10:43 pm Jesse Grund 0 sec
G~10:43 pm Jesse Grund 0 sec
G~10:58 pm Shirley Plesea 0 sec
G~11:23 pm Amy H 0 sec
G~11:24 pm Amy H 0 sec
G~11:24 pm Amy H 0 sec
G~11:24 pm Amy H 0 sec
G~11:30 pm Unknown local 27 sec
G~11:55 pm Unknown local 38 sec
End of call for 6/27

 

[snow_walker]

Could someone please help me get my ducks in a row with this? (I am really, really tired, didn't sleep all night, and am taking some pain pills that further foggy my mind, so please cut me a little slack)
Anyway, my mind keeps going over the same ground, without getting it together enough to come up with a scenerio that fits well enough to suit me..

Didn't she leave her purse in the car when she left the car in the parking lot?

Didn't they empty out the car in the garage once they got it home, and CA take something like $200.00 dollars out of KC's wallet? (according to LA)

If so, and if I am not confused about those matters, then why would she let the car run out of gas? Or if that did happen, why not get some more gas right away? Surely, if she wanted that car back, it would be better to buy her own gas and gas can, than to wait until she could get someone else to buy it for her?

All of that makes me think she was hoping someone would steal it.
Then again though, why leave money in the car ? and her ID? And other stuff as well..rather expensive/important bait if that is why she left it. So surely she meant to get it back.

So I come back to 'she must have intended to retrieve the car' but then go around the whole issue again with 'Why didn't she go get her own gas right away if she meant to retrieve the car?'

 

[TallyHo]

I hope these pings from Casey's cell phone on June 27 will be considered facts:

the letters are locations
A-Close to Tony L
B-Close to Tony L
D-Close to Amscot

From these pings we can see that Casey circled Amscot several times.
Here's a link to a map of the ping locations

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg21/awakening2lite/CAping6272.jpg

I hope this is factual enough.

June 27, Friday

A~6:54 am 11 0sec
A~9:36 am Casey to Casey 34 sec
A~9:36 am 0 0 sec
A~9:37 am Shirley Plesea 131 sec
B~10:22 am Amy H 554 sec
n/a~10:34 am too many numbers 0 sec
J~10:35 am Jesse Grund 184 sec
H~11:09 am JC Penney online credit center 88 sec
K~11:28 am Tony L 0 sec
I~11:28 am Tony L 152 sec
H~11:31 am Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
H~11:32 am unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
H~11:33 am Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
L~11:34 am Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
L~11:34 am Amy H 0 sec Text about dead animal on car grill
J~11:37 am Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
J~11:39 am Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
D~11:40 am Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
D~11:41 am Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
D~11:41 am Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
F~11:42 am Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
F~11:43 am Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
D~11:44 am Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
D~11:47 am Tony L 115 sec
D~11:49 am Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
D~11:49 am Amy H 0 sec
D~11:51 am Jesse Grund 305 sec
D~11:58 am Amy H 0 sec
A~12:25 pm 1697722 0 sec
A~12:38 pm Jesse Grund 0 sec
A~12:51 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
B~1:02 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
D~1:03 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
D~1:04 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
A~1:04 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
A~1:05 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
A~1:09 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
A~1:09 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
B~1:10 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
A~1:11 pm Unknown Broward County 0 sec
A~1:12 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
A~1:12 pm Unknown Broward County 0 sec
A~1:13 pm Unknown Broward County 0 sec
A~1:14 pm Unknown Broward County 0 sec
A~1:14 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
A~1:16 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
A~1:17 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
A~1:17 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
A~1:18 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
A~1:32 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
B~1:26 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
B~1:27 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
D~1:27 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
D~1:28 pm Unknown Broward County 0 sec
D~1:28 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
D~1:36 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
D~1:40 pm Jesse Grund 0 sec
D~1:40 pm Unknown Winter Pk 7 sec
D~1:47 pm Jesse Grund 149 sec
B~1:47 pm Unknown 6 sec
D~1:51 pm Unknown Broward County 6 sec
D~1:51 pm Unknown Broward County 96 sec
A~2:03 pm Jesse Grund 5 sec
A~2:07 pm Jesse Grund 173 sec
A~2:11 pm JC Penney online credit center 11 sec
n/a~2:27 pm Thomas Blackburn 5 sec
n/a~2:27 pm Mark Hawkins 5 sec
M~3:03 pm Unknown 0 sec
M~3:05 pm Unknown 0 sec
M~3:05 pm Unknown 0 sec
D~3:10 pm Peter (friend of Troy) 0 sec
D~3:11 pm Unknown Broward County 0 sec
D~3:11 pm Unknown Broward County 0 sec
D~3:12 pm Unknown Broward County 0 sec
A~5:51 pm Shirley & Alex Plesea 57 sec
A~3:56 pm Mustang Parts 0 sec
D~5:00 pm Amy H 225 sec
A~5:31 pm Unknown Winter Park 0 sec
A~5:33 pm Unknown Winter Park 0 sec
A~5:33 pm Unknown Winter Park 0 sec
D~6:22 pm Unknown 0 sec
A~6:24 pm Unknown 0 sec
D~6:27 pm Troy Brown 0 sec
D~6:27 pm Sean Daly 0 sec
D~6:27 pm Unknown 0 sec
D~6:27 pm Annie Downing 0 sec
D~6:28 pm Sean Daly 0 sec
A~6:32 pm Unknown 0 sec
A~6:33 pm Unknown 0 sec
B~6:34 pm Sean Daly 0 sec
D~6:34 pm Unknown 0 sec
D~6:35 pm Unknown 0 sec
D~6:35 pm Sean Daly 0 sec
D~6:35 pm Unknown 0 sec
D~6:36 pm Sean Daly 0 sec
D~6:36 pm Unknown 0 sec
D~6:37 pm Sean Daly 0 sec
D~6:37 pm Unknown 0 sec
D~6:37 pm Unknown 0 sec
A~6:38 pm Unknown 0 sec
A~6:43 pm Shirley Plesea 259 sec
B~6:49 pm Mark Hawkins 48 sec
B~6:51 pm Mar Hawkins 0 sec
B~8:10 pm Troy Brown 0 sec
A~8:10 pm Troy Brown 0 sec
A~8:15 pm Jesse Grund 0 sec
A~8:16 pm Troy Brown 0 sec
A~8:16 pm Troy Brown 0 sec
A~8:32 pm Mark Denver (RE) 23 sec
n/a~8:33 pm Thomas Blackburn (3way?) 9 sec
n/a~8:33 pm Anthony House (3way?) 9 sec
E~8:36 pm Shirley Plesea 0 sec
E~8:46 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
E~8:50 pm Unknown Winter Pk 0 sec
E~8:50 pm Unknown Orange Co 0 sec
N~8:55 pm Unknown Orange Co 0 sec
G~8:56 pm Unknown Orange Co 0 sec
G~8:59 pm Unknown local 0 sec
G~9:00 pm Unknown Orange Co 0 sec
G~9:00 pm Unkown local 0 sec
G~9:01 pm Anthony House 129 sec
G~9:01 pm Unknown local 0 sec
G~9:06 pm Anthony house 384 sec
n/a~9:12 pm Tony L 0 sec
G~9:13 pm Tony L 2 sec
n/a~9:13 pm Amy H 2 sec
G~9:24 pm Amy H 30 sec
G~9:27 pm Tony L 5 sec
G~10:21 pm Jesse Grund 37 sec
G~10:38 pm Unknown 85 sec
G~10:43 pm Jesse Grund 0 sec
G~10:43 pm Jesse Grund 0 sec
G~10:58 pm Shirley Plesea 0 sec
G~11:23 pm Amy H 0 sec
G~11:24 pm Amy H 0 sec
G~11:24 pm Amy H 0 sec
G~11:24 pm Amy H 0 sec
G~11:30 pm Unknown local 27 sec
G~11:55 pm Unknown local 38 sec
End of call for 6/27

OMG!!!! Do we have ANY idea who the "uknown" in WinterPark is????? If that doesn't constitute a flurry of calls, I don't know what does!

 

[BonKai]

More likely Hillbillyshire Farms Squirrel Sausage. It's unamerican to eat whales.:crazy:

:floorlaugh: Too funny!

 

[KenoshaKid]

What stands out to me is that she prepped Amy for the stink in the car with the squirrel story. She knew if Amy came with her to put gas in it she may smell the odor and had to have an excuse all ready to go. Amy may not have gotten the full effect just standing near the car, but Tony, if she were to drive him somewhere, would have been bowled over by it being in the car, and the squirrel story may not have flown. Hence, two different alibis for two different situations.

 

[Spangle]

Why is this still considered an angle by anyone? Respectfully, locking your child in a trunk in a humid climate like Orlando...would result in death long before this if it were a regular habit. It appears like most whom subscribe to this theory seem to think KC drugged Caylee a lot before now and used the trunk to hide her...how many times have kids died in cars in the seats of cars where the windows weren't rolled down? A lot. I doubt a child would have lasted one no more than two times in a trunk in the heat...with no holes...bs. Sorry. I respectfully disagree.

I wasn't trying to validate the theory. But to point out that such a tail would be admiting to child abuse. And dying because of child abuse will get ya the DP in Florida.

You might want to point out that as a person who lives in Florida, she would have seen countless hours of commercials telling her not to leave a pet in the car while you go into 7-11. Cause the heat will kill them that quick. Of course, got the same ads for the kids. In Florida, leaving a child in the auto for just a few minutes is/can be considered child abuse. If seen and reported, the child will be taken away and the parent would be under investigation for child abuse. All this not because the child might be kidnapped. But because the heat can kill the child. If a parent will do it once, they don't understand the problem.

As I said, the issue I was addressing is the thought that if she admitted to making a 'woops', then she would be ok. The only way it would work, is if the "woops' isn't considered child abuse in it's self or some major deal. Locking your kid in the car.. isn't no simple 'woops.' IF she died that way, then it's death for the child abuser...

 

[sumbunny]

Could someone please help me get my ducks in a row with this? (I am really, really tired, didn't sleep all night, and am taking some pain pills that further foggy my mind, so please cut me a little slack)
Anyway, my mind keeps going over the same ground, without getting it together enough to come up with a scenerio that fits well enough to suit me..

Didn't she leave her purse in the car when she left the car in the parking lot?

Didn't they empty out the car in the garage once they got it home, and CA take something like $200.00 dollars out of KC's wallet? (according to LA)

If so, and if I am not confused about those matters, then why would she let the car run out of gas? Or if that did happen, why not get some more gas right away? Surely, if she wanted that car back, it would be better to buy her own gas and gas can, than to wait until she could get someone else to buy it for her?

All of that makes me think she was hoping someone would steal it.
Then again though, why leave money in the car ? and her ID? And other stuff as well..rather expensive/important bait if that is why she left it. So surely she meant to get it back.

So I come back to 'she must have intended to retrieve the car' but then go around the whole issue again with 'Why didn't she go get her own gas right away if she meant to retrieve the car?'

I don't believe her main purse was left in the car, that was retrieved from TL house, with the money.

 

[BondJamesBond]

I hope these pings from Casey's cell phone on June 27 will be considered facts:

the letters are locations
A-Close to Tony L
B-Close to Tony L
D-Close to Amscot

From these pings we can see that Casey circled Amscot several times.
Here's a link to a map of the ping locations

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg21/awakening2lite/CAping6272.jpg

I hope this is factual enough.

*snipped for space*

Thanks, Brownflower. You've clearly invested some time & effort in putting all of that together.

I'm curious if you can help me see how you distinguish from the pings that Casey was circling vs. stationary. I don't know how to do that and would love to learn. Can you tell what route she was taking as she circled? Back and forth between JBPark & Amscot? TIA!

OMG!!!! Do we have ANY idea who the "uknown" in WinterPark is????? If that doesn't constitute a flurry of calls, I don't know what does!

FWIW, TH, if I understand the series you are referring to ~1:16-1:27PM, those are text message exchanges between Casey & Jenna.

 

[BondJamesBond]

Could someone please help me get my ducks in a row with this? (I am really, really tired, didn't sleep all night, and am taking some pain pills that further foggy my mind, so please cut me a little slack)
Anyway, my mind keeps going over the same ground, without getting it together enough to come up with a scenerio that fits well enough to suit me..

Didn't she leave her purse in the car when she left the car in the parking lot?

Didn't they empty out the car in the garage once they got it home, and CA take something like $200.00 dollars out of KC's wallet? (according to LA)

If so, and if I am not confused about those matters, then why would she let the car run out of gas? Or if that did happen, why not get some more gas right away? Surely, if she wanted that car back, it would be better to buy her own gas and gas can, than to wait until she could get someone else to buy it for her?

All of that makes me think she was hoping someone would steal it.
Then again though, why leave money in the car ? and her ID? And other stuff as well..rather expensive/important bait if that is why she left it. So surely she meant to get it back.

So I come back to 'she must have intended to retrieve the car' but then go around the whole issue again with 'Why didn't she go get her own gas right away if she meant to retrieve the car?'

You're in good company, SW. Lemme see if I can help a bit. Others have done a better job of giving more details when you have a chance to read back on the thread, but, FWIW...I'm gonna use the term bag/purse so as not to suggest this is a specific answer...

1) Casey left A purse/bag in the car. Earlier someone suggested this wasn't even a purse, but, possibly just bag of one type or another. It doesn't appear this was the purse/bag she was using to carry the bulk of her personal items, since she had those w/ her @ Tony's apartment.

2) Lee retrieved Casey's belongings from Tony's apartment the night of the 911 calls (7/15). This included some duffle/backpack/bags (just giving you a general idea since I'm not looking up the details...so don't quote me on the bag types) When he returned to G&C's house one of these purse/bags was dumped out in the presence of an officer and a small group (e.g. Cindy & Lee too) started going through the contents. Cindy snatched up a few hundred bucks in cash and commented that it belonged to her implying Casey had been stealing from her IIRC. The officer spotted something behind Casey's drivers license in the process and snatched it outta there before Lee got a good look @ what it was (much speculation that this was a fake ID)

3) JWG posted earlier and I did a poor job of quoting (should bumped it and may do that next), but, to summarize, the Pontiac was locked @ Amscot and Casey had the keys.

4) Casey did make an attempt to retrieve the car by getting some gas, but, was too slow about it and the car had been towed (~9AM IIRC) by the time she got around to it 6/30 ~4:50PM.

5) G&C did remove a few items from the Pontiac when they got it home 7/15 before Casey (and Lee and LE) arrived. But they didn't "empty out" the car. The first or second doc dump provides the inventory of the car when LE came to pick it up for the forensics unit as well as items LE removed from the car before it was taken, IIRC. So...G&C did a little, but, not a thorough empty & clean. The most notable items G&C affected that we know about are the knife and the pants...Cindy cleaned both per her account before surrendering them to LE.

6) By my calculations...see detail provided in a post a few pages back...Casey actually did run outta gas.

7) I won't go into details, but, some evidence suggests Casey may have attempted to get gas for the Pontiac on Sunday morning, and when that failed, she was content to wait until Monday to enlist Amy's help (and $). IMHO, to minimize the potential that Amy would meddle in the situation and get some personal experience w/ the decomp smell (although Casey had prepared a story for that the day prior w/ texting) Casey waited till Amy was ready to go to work before heading back over to where the car was located (that is pure speculation...I couldn't back that up w/o doing some reading).

Hope that helps clear the fog a bit. Others can chime in w/ details on this bag, that purse, etc. etc. if you wanna know more.

 

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1) Casey left A purse/bag in the car. Earlier someone suggested this wasn't even a purse, but, possibly just bag of one type or another. It doesn't appear this was the purse/bag she was using to carry the bulk of her personal items, since she had those w/ her @ Tony's apartment.

I double-checked the evidence. The car contained a CD case (with CDs) and a black leather bag. I recall seeing a photo of the bag and it is not a purse.

 

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It is obvious girl friend wanted that car off her hands because it was smelling so bad. She told Amy it was smelling so bad because she ran over a squirrel. And who drives around with a trash bag full of garbage in their car? More smelly stuff to cover up the smell of decomposition?

I take that back about perhaps Tony knowing more than he is telling. The reason being that in some countries where they don't embalm dead bodies they leave them out for people to observe for a couple of days. I think you have to have the body in the ground by day three though. That's part of the Jewish custom too. (Don't quote me on that but, I think in an Orthodox Jewish family the body has to be buried by day three. I've been to an Orthodox Jewish funeral/wake and I could not smell the body. It must have been the same night or the next day after the person died.

FYI Jewish people get buried 24 hours later unless it is on the Sabbath (Saturday) then they are refrigerated and buried on a Sunday. NOT 3 days.