The Verdict - Do you agree or disagree? #4

[NotRocketSighence]

Did she know there was no gas in the car? The gas gauge was broken, was it not?

From everything I have heard and read, she ran out of gas at that intersection and the car was pushed into Amscot. Unless the car stopped or broke down for another reason other than gas, but unlikely you are hoping for it to be stolen unless you hope the car thief is also a mechanic.

George took gas to the tow yard so he could drive the car home. Either he was told it was empty or he assumed it ran out of gas (and abandoned) which led to it being towed.

I don't recall if anyone turned the engine over at the tow yard to ascertain if it was driveable or if they unhitched it and left it untouched.

Absolutely, Casey could of driven it to Amscot and parked right beside the dumpster in the hope it was stolen and lied saying it ran out of gas. However from all I have heard and read, running out of gas was not disputed.

Unless you know the story another way...?

 

[Noddy]

From everything I have heard and read, she ran out of gas at that intersection and the car was pushed into Amscot. Unless the car stopped or broke down for another reason other than gas, but unlikely you are hoping for it to be stolen unless you hope the car thief is also a mechanic.

George took gas to the tow yard so he could drive the car home. Either he was told it was empty or he assumed it ran out of gas (and abandoned) which led to it being towed.

I don't recall if anyone turned the engine over at the tow yard to ascertain if it was driveable or if they unhitched it and left it untouched.

Absolutely, Casey could of driven it to Amscot and parked right beside the dumpster in the hope it was stolen and lied saying it ran out of gas. However from all I have heard and read, running out of gas was not disputed.

Unless you know the story another way...?

I find it unlikely that it would have been pushed into Amscot and then maneuvered so the car was backed in to the spot by the dumpster. Seems an awkward and unnecessary extra step. They did check the gas gauge and found it was working.

Here's a link to JWG's post showing G. Bloise's test result. [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3723345&postcount=535"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - The Pontiac - "Revisted" #1[/ame]

 

[LambChop]

From everything I have heard and read, she ran out of gas at that intersection and the car was pushed into Amscot. Unless the car stopped or broke down for another reason other than gas, but unlikely you are hoping for it to be stolen unless you hope the car thief is also a mechanic.

George took gas to the tow yard so he could drive the car home. Either he was told it was empty or he assumed it ran out of gas (and abandoned) which led to it being towed.

I don't recall if anyone turned the engine over at the tow yard to ascertain if it was driveable or if they unhitched it and left it untouched.

Absolutely, Casey could of driven it to Amscot and parked right beside the dumpster in the hope it was stolen and lied saying it ran out of gas. However from all I have heard and read, running out of gas was not disputed.

Unless you know the story another way...?

No one checked to see if the car was out of gas. GA assumed because KC was always running out of gas and brought the gas cans. There are pictures in discovery which show there was gas in the car even with GA putting some in it was more than a couple of gallons. The gas gauge was not broken.

So there was no proof that the car ran out of gas. Belief is she drove into the spot because it is in the back and someone pushing her would have stopped near the entrance. Her car was perfectly parked right next to the dumpster. Hard to do when you have no gas. Plus no one ever came forward to verify KC's statement. jmo

 

[NotRocketSighence]

No one checked to see if the car was out of gas. GA assumed because KC was always running out of gas and brought the gas cans. There are pictures in discovery which show there was gas in the car even with GA putting some in it was more than a couple of gallons. The gas gauge was not broken.

So there was no proof that the car ran out of gas. Belief is she drove into the spot because it is in the back and someone pushing her would have stopped near the entrance. Her car was perfectly parked right next to the dumpster. Hard to do when you have no gas. Plus no one ever came forward to verify KC's statement. jmo

You say the gas guage was *not* broken. Others say it was broken. Does anyone have proof which is correct please ?

I disagree people who push a broken down or out of gas car with a lone pretty female driver are going to just dump you at the entrance and leave you there. Most decent people (they are the ones who stop and help) do what they can to help you out. I have been in that same situation many times in my teen years with sad sorry cars and guys are especially overly helpful to helping a single pretty girl put your car where and how you want it. Guys have stopped and pushed to help me out and backed my car in because they told me its easier to drive out or do a push start jumpstart or tow that way, than to have to deal with reversing out.

So I find the placement very reasonable *IF* the story is true.

I don't recall the story on the many Amscot security cameras?

 

[NotRocketSighence]

They did check the gas gauge and found it was working.

Here's a link to JWG's post showing G. Bloise's test result. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - The Pontiac - "Revisted" #1

Thank you for this.

Personally I believe the reason she was always running out of gas was purely financial. She wasn't working. She claimed to be, so she needed a cover story so her dad would keep coming to the rescue with gas.

My car stopped dead one day with what I thought was 3/4 tank of gas. Come to find out the floater device was stuck and gave a false read and I was literally out of gas. The issue was fixed in about 5 mins. Mind you this was back in the day when car actually had real engines and mechanics and not a bunch of computers and IT specialists

 

[runsdeep]

CM has misspoken about a lot of the facts of this case. Three pieces of duct tape were found on Caylee's skull.....a fourth piece was found 8 to 9 foot away with the skeletal remains. This piece is believed to have been used for her arms/hands area because of the bones it was found with.

I wonder if CM has memory problems because he often gets things wrong, or if it is by design because he can use his age as an excuse. jmo

when found there was nothing left for adhesion. all flesh and cotton and sticky residue were gone. so it stands to reason that the tape adhered to the skin could not have adhered to the bone.

 

[LambChop]

You say the gas guage was *not* broken. Others say it was broken. Does anyone have proof which is correct please ?

I disagree people who push a broken down or out of gas car with a lone pretty female driver are going to just dump you at the entrance and leave you there. Most decent people (they are the ones who stop and help) do what they can to help you out. I have been in that same situation many times in my teen years with sad sorry cars and guys are especially overly helpful to helping a single pretty girl put your car where and how you want it. Guys have stopped and pushed to help me out and backed my car in because they told me its easier to drive out or do a push start jumpstart or tow that way, than to have to deal with reversing out.

So I find the placement very reasonable *IF* the story is true.

I don't recall the story on the many Amscot security cameras?

It's all in the discovery. The car was backed into the spot. Not so reasonable if you are out of gas. There is a lot of information in the discovery documents it just takes time to read them but it is worth it if you are interested in the truth. jmo

 

[RR0004]

you prompted my memory a bit here. if i have any critique at all about the prosecution's case, even though i believe the totality of evidence points to casey killing her--i am hazy about what they wanted to convey regarding the chemical evidence and placements of the body.

There was the overabundance of a chemical AND a decomposing body in the trunk? A chemical that may have contributed to the death of a child? I remember a statement by JA...just can't remember where/when...when he alluded to the chloroform being used on Caylee.

 

[RR0004]

I for the life of me can't understand how anyone can disregard duct tape placed on the face of a child...but obviously the jury did. I stand firmly with Dr. G. and her eloquent testimony.

 

[logicalgirl]

From everything I have heard and read, she ran out of gas at that intersection and the car was pushed into Amscot. Unless the car stopped or broke down for another reason other than gas, but unlikely you are hoping for it to be stolen unless you hope the car thief is also a mechanic.

George took gas to the tow yard so he could drive the car home. Either he was told it was empty or he assumed it ran out of gas (and abandoned) which led to it being towed.

I don't recall if anyone turned the engine over at the tow yard to ascertain if it was driveable or if they unhitched it and left it untouched.

Absolutely, Casey could of driven it to Amscot and parked right beside the dumpster in the hope it was stolen and lied saying it ran out of gas. However from all I have heard and read, running out of gas was not disputed.

Unless you know the story another way...?

This rumour of the car pushed into Amscot is unfounded - no one has ever come forward to say they saw this happen or they assisted with the car. It seems only natural that George would assume FCA ran out of gas since this was a normal occurrence for her.

 

[logicalgirl]

when found there was nothing left for adhesion. all flesh and cotton and sticky residue were gone. so it stands to reason that the tape adhered to the skin could not have adhered to the bone.

Yes, a couple of months under water will do that to adhesive on a tape.

 

[NotRocketSighence]

This rumour of the car pushed into Amscot is unfounded - no one has ever come forward to say they saw this happen or they assisted with the car. It seems only natural that George would assume FCA ran out of gas since this was a normal occurrence for her.

I agree with your comment about George assuming. However, someone not coming forward doesn't prove the story either way.

 

[logicalgirl]

You say the gas guage was *not* broken. Others say it was broken. Does anyone have proof which is correct please ?

I disagree people who push a broken down or out of gas car with a lone pretty female driver are going to just dump you at the entrance and leave you there. Most decent people (they are the ones who stop and help) do what they can to help you out. I have been in that same situation many times in my teen years with sad sorry cars and guys are especially overly helpful to helping a single pretty girl put your car where and how you want it. Guys have stopped and pushed to help me out and backed my car in because they told me its easier to drive out or do a push start jumpstart or tow that way, than to have to deal with reversing out.

So I find the placement very reasonable *IF* the story is true.

I don't recall the story on the many Amscot security cameras?

Amscot did not have working cameras and FCA made no statement whatsoever about her car. Why wouldn't anyone has seen this happened or volunteered to being the "pushers"?

The car stunk to high heaven - why not stick to reason and assume she simply abandoned it?

 

[NotRocketSighence]

when found there was nothing left for adhesion. all flesh and cotton and sticky residue were gone. so it stands to reason that the tape adhered to the skin could not have adhered to the bone.

Yes, a couple of months under water will do that to adhesive on a tape.

At the point of discovery of the remains, what was the duct tape actually sticking to the hair mat by if nothing sticky remained on the tape?

Surely for the mandible to be in place this duct tape across the skull attached to the hair on either side had to be there rather firm yes? Given it was supposed to of withstood storms, moving water, still water, animals etc. I am a visual person and without the actual picture I have a lot of trouble visualizing this from everyones written accounts.

 

[logicalgirl]

At the point of discovery of the remains, what was the duct tape actually sticking to the hair mat by if nothing sticky remained on the tape?

Surely for the mandible to be in place this duct tape across the skull attached to the hair on either side had to be there rather firm yes? Given it was supposed to of withstood storms, moving water, still water, animals etc. I am a visual person and without the actual picture I have a lot of trouble visualizing this from everyones written accounts.

Why not read the autopsy reports yourself? They are quite visual...and readily available...

 

[NotRocketSighence]

Amscot did not have working cameras and FCA made no statement whatsoever about her car. Why wouldn't anyone has seen this happened or volunteered to being the "pushers"?

The car stunk to high heaven - why not stick to reason and assume she simply abandoned it?

Lots of reasons. Not everyone is observant. People are absorbed with their own bubbles. People see stuff but don't actually see stuff. People don't want to be involved. People don't want their lives under media a microscope and have all their skeletons broadcast all over the Nancy Grace show just for being a good Samaritan to the wrong person. Not significant a detail to come forward about given the media circus. People not aware what they did was significant in any way. Someone with something of their own to keep secret not wanting the scrutiny. Any number of reasons.

I know it *sounds* reasonable to say why wouldn't they just come forward and make a statement but reality is, a *lot* of people have very valid reasons for not.

I don't believe she just abandoned the car with any sense of permanency. Perhaps temporarily for a couple of days, not figuring someone would tow it.

 

[LambChop]

Lots of reasons. Not everyone is observant. People are absorbed with their own bubbles. People see stuff but don't actually see stuff. People don't want to be involved. People don't want their lives under media a microscope and have all their skeletons broadcast all over the Nancy Grace show just for being a good Samaritan to the wrong person. Not significant a detail to come forward about given the media circus. People not aware what they did was significant in any way. Someone with something of their own to keep secret not wanting the scrutiny. Any number of reasons.

I know it *sounds* reasonable to say why wouldn't they just come forward and make a statement but reality is, a *lot* of people have very valid reasons for not.

I don't believe she just abandoned the car with any sense of permanency. Perhaps temporarily for a couple of days, not figuring someone would tow it.

There were just too many "IF's" in the life of KC to be believable. If you look at TL testimony, along with others she had no intention of going back after the car. She had to drive past Amscot with TL's Jeep the day her car was towed, texted Amy about going for a gas can and she had to have known the car was not there. KC also had a friend who worked at Amscot....what a co-inky dink that KC left the car, backed it in...with no gas....into a spot right next to a stinky dumpster and in a parking lot that normally tows their cars. TL even offered to fix her car....fix it... so she lead him to believe the car had mechanical problems. KC told TL her father was having the car picked up by the dealers/garage so it could be fixed. Such elaborate lies for just running out of gas. The car stunk, KC admitted it to Amy via testing that very day KC dropped the car off. The car ended up by the dumpster by design not by accident. Her actions, text messages and conversations with TL prove it was no accident. If it was as KC claims....why lie. You lie to avoid the truth. jmo

 

[NotRocketSighence]

There were just too many "IF's" in the life of KC to be believable. If you look at TL testimony, along with others she had no intention of going back after the car. She had to drive past Amscot with TL's Jeep the day her car was towed, texted Amy about going for a gas can and she had to have known the car was not there. KC also had a friend who worked at Amscot....what a co-inky dink that KC left the car, backed it in...with no gas....into a spot right next to a stinky dumpster and in a parking lot that normally tows their cars. TL even offered to fix her car....fix it... so she lead him to believe the car had mechanical problems. KC told TL her father was having the car picked up by the dealers/garage so it could be fixed. Such elaborate lies for just running out of gas. The car stunk, KC admitted it to Amy via testing that very day KC dropped the car off. The car ended up by the dumpster by design not by accident. Her actions, text messages and conversations with TL prove it was no accident. If it was as KC claims....why lie. You lie to avoid the truth. jmo

This was Casey's MO in life. The lies didn't just start day 1 of 31. So what you describe above and what we see from day 1 of 31 is normal Casey. Very abnormal, strange at best to the rest of us but very normal to Casey.

 

[LambChop]

This was Casey's MO in life. The lies didn't just start day 1 of 31. So what you describe above and what we see from day 1 of 31 is normal Casey. Very abnormal, strange at best to the rest of us but very normal to Casey.

A lie is a lie regardless of who that person is who tries to fool another into believing them. It does not make their story any more credible. What does is information from those around KC who tell us what they observed and what they know. To date very few credible statements have come from this whole family. There are depositions, documents, records, testimony from co-workers and they all bare this out. It's all in the discovery and the videos from the trial if one wishes to find the truth. Trying to justify KC's lies just leads you down the rabbit hole. I won't go there. jmo

 

[AngelWings444]

Why are we making up scenarios here? Things that "might" have happened but there isn't a shred of evidence to point in that direction. Pushing the car into the Amscot, drowning, other accidents, and now seizure's. IMO, the jurors were lazy, wanted to get home, didn't do their jobs, period! Their statements after the verdict just further proves this fact.

I do not agree with this verdict, never have, never will. The "stories" floating around now, just further seals the deal for me. The Grandparents are still coming up with new revelations in order to try to excuse what their daughter did. You don't keep changing stories, if you believe your daughter is innocent. You don't hide if you are a mother and you are innocent.

FCA murdered little Caylee. Justice was not served in the courts. Justice continues to not be served for little Caylee. The Anthony family failed Caylee and continue to fail her each and every day.