This Family is United

[icherish]

This "petting" was raised in another thread but it bears repeating. I only watched a couple of snippets from the entire show, and that continuous petting of George and Lee was downright weird. It was about control, Cindy staying on top of things. It was not a gesture of comfort. The guys were doing okay all by themselves. But she had to place herself in the limelight as well. Neither of the men stroked Cindy like that. You can tell who is running the show, and I can see the invisible strings connected to that "comforting" hand.

Gah! The more I think about it, the more monstrous she appears to me. I think that any book written about this case should be entitled, Mommy Dearest.

Control? I think Cindy's intentions were quite sincere. I didn't see anything weird or controlling all. I saw her "petting" as gentle reassurance that she was there and with them... very subtle. Sure looked like comfort to me.

Cindy seemed to have a deep sense of faith and spirituality about her, and this appeared to be sustaining her. I didn't notice that as much with L and G. I'm not saying G or L don't have faith, but I think they were more heavily consumed with the emotional aspects of their grief. As is completely understandable. Anyway, just my observations.

 

[itsyourworld]

criminals always find god. that's what they say anyway.

 

[kathryann]

Respectfully snipped by me.



I have to agree with you. Normally the concept of a "close family," is something we revere and admire--it's sacrosanct and so we tend to feel guilty for saying anything to harm or belittle the Anthonys' desire to preserve their Family. The truth, however, is that the Family unit they are so proud of and which they so zealously safeguard, is as destructive to its members--and as unwholesome--as a cult. I know they never meant for things to go so wrong, but the facts are indisputable and horrible: This small, closely-knit family of 5 has yielded up one murderer; one dead baby who should have and could have been protected; one suicidal father; one relentlessly controlling and unabashedly dishonest mother; and one son with anger and defiance issues deep enough to cause him to attend his "beloved" neice's solemn public memorial without tie or jacket and then to "speak in tongues" in order to bewilder the mourners. When it comes to this family's demand to proudly preserve its unity, all I can say is, God help them if they do preserve it.

I say all this without malice. I truly pity their plight and their pain, and their seeming inability or unwillingness to step away, into the light of reality and honesty. Maybe little Caylee will be able to help and guide one or two of them.

Very well put ... I couldn't agree with you more.

 

[concentric]

IMO, the 'united'...........means united in the 5th amendment.
Partners in crime.
Won't testify against each other.
Like a pack deal........IMO

if united in love........everyone can tell; you don't have to tell people!

Perhaps a pact amongst themselves.

 

[Nosey Parker]

if united in love........everyone can tell; you don't have to tell people!

So very true! A case of "Thou doest protest too much"?

 

[kageykaren]

I understand what your saying, but I think it is just degrees of religiosity. I help with the adult convert program at my church and many, many of them are people who are lost - sick, going through divorce, recent death in the family, something - do they not have a right to know God just because they did not seek him when things were good? Who are we to judge a person's attempts at a relationship with God, at any time?
Jesus reached out to the most forgotten of society, the lepers, the diseased, the prostitutes, criminals. Those were the ones he sought out and it was a revolutionary act. The Jewish hierarchy at the time denied those people entry to temple. Because Jesus did accept and embrace them, he began to win huge masses of followers who saw the beauty in what he preached, who saw the non-judgmental grace of it. His actions in reaching out to the outcasts of society, some of whom who did not love themselves, or others, revolutionized the religious experience and was so powerful, that he was ultimately crucified for it. It boggles my mind that we, as a society, have so strayed from the original teachings of Jesus that we now go back to the attitudes of those who condemened and killed him and judge pitiful, hopeless people in the darkest hour of their lives as they try in desparation to find the love of God to help them through. Sometimes it takes the lowest moment for a person to clearly see God. I'm not trying to create a religious discussion here, but I felt the need to address the sentiment in your post.
As far as the rest of the post, I agree that GA seems the most functional but I think they are all sincere in their feelings, even if they have psychological problems that distort those feelings or the manner in which they express them. I have no doubt, that no matter how manipulative CA may be, or how angry LA may be, they are suffering and want help and hope. I may not like their actions - many times I have been appalled and disturbed by their conduct both before and after the murder - but I know they are human beings who truly loved little Caylee and casey, despite her damaged soul. For that, they suffer more than any of us can likely imagine and so, my heart goes out to them and I hope they find the help and hope they seek.

I'm all for the A's finding there, "Religon," if it helps them realize real truths need to be spoken. Maybe this new since of hope will keep them strong in spirit to speaks their truths at trial. Enough pussy footin around!

 

[kathryann]

I'm not sure this is an appropriate post here, but we were discussing Cindy as a controlling person, and I have been thinking about this quite a bit, and never really could put it ito words correctly. So here goes ... Cindy has probably always made all the decisions in the family ... including Casey keeping Caylee. When children are not allowed to make their own decisions (good or bad), or learn to become independent (taking responsibility for their actions), or when their opinions or decisions don't count, they become very immature, unable to cope with life on life's terms, and when confronted with an actual decision on their own, usually can't make one or make bad ones. Casey IMO was just a very angry girl, feeling controlled by her mom and the fact she had a responsibility (Caylee) that her mother insisted she keep, that she really didn't want. I had a very controlling mother and my life was all about pleasing her. Every decision I made was with her in mind. When I finally got out on my own, I was a lost soul. Don't get me wrong, this is NO excuse for what Casey has done. I was NOT physically abused, I was overprotected and babied and unable to cope with life. Not ever feeling good enough. I however, never committed a crime, and vowed to do differently with my girls, but I sure had a hard time learning those lessons. I was on a constant "mother guilt trip" If something "accidentally" happened to Caylee the thought of having her mother angry at her and knowing that she really was all the things that her mom said she was (unfit mother, etc. etc. etc.) could have been enough to lead to the lies and cover ups after the accident. Or maybe Casey was such an angry person and felt so controlled, she took it out on her daughter. Don't get me wrong, I think that Casey has some type of mental illness that has allowed her to justify in her mind what she has done, and she has already forgiven herself. Mental illness is not always something you are born with. It can come from dysfunction in a family. It's too bad the Anthony's did not recognize this before this tragedy happened, there certainly were signs of her instability, but they live in a constant world where they prefer to see what they want to see, instead of reality. Casey however needs to take responsibility for her actions, whether she gave her child to an unreliable baby-sitter, or hurt her. In my heart I know that everyone eventually pays a price for their misdeeds, and whether this dream team comes up with a great defense and gets her off, she will have to answer to someone greater than herself someday. I'm sure Cindy and my Mother did not do this out of malice, you teach what you learn.

 

[kgeaux]

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Here is an interesting point: Remember Cindy saying that she only wanted the "pure of heart" to be let into the ceremony? Comments anyone?

She did not want those whose hearts were tainted with hatred to attend the memorial. That's my take.

criminals always find god. that's what they say anyway.

Some criminals remain unrepentant. Some fake finding God to try to manipulate the system. Some probably TRULY feel closer to God while they are incarcerated, but when they are released, the things of the world press in and squash their faith. Some criminals truly repent while incarcerated and continue to live for God after their release.

It is human nature to reach out for help when we are down, and turning to God is a logical outreach of that desire for many.

Regardless, Cindy, George and Lee have not been charged with anything, much less convicted. So any faith they displayed was not a result of "criminals always turning to God."

 

[concentric]

kathryann -

I understand what you said and it was totally from the heart. Sometimes I find myself feeling sorry for KC. I have so many questions. Was the boundary between good and evil marginal or non-existant for her? Did she feel so smothered, so trapped she felt that murder was the only way out? I have other moral questions, but most likely, the answers will not defend her in a court of law.

 

[yolorado]

Because the memorial was about celebrating Caylees life. Every other day has been about her murder.
And they have said they 'want to know the truth- no matter what.'
Nothing makes caylees death ok. Nothing erases it. But they have to find comfort wherever they can get it.

United- I'm thinking LA means 'no matter how much the public, the media and LE tries to tear us down, or rip us apart...We are not going to let them break us or our spirits.
No more divide and conquer.We are a stronger unit in spite of our pain and loss and all the negativity that people have thrown at us'
JMO

Personally, the statement struck me as weird. I come from a very close family, but I can't remember a time at any member's funeral when anyone stood up and talked about how united the family was, though a death had, of course, brought us together. Everyone KNEW we were united. Nobody said it. People talked about the deceased, told stories, described interactions. Favorite music was played. Favorite poems, or interests were referred to, but they were the those of the deceased, not favorites of family members. Of course, knock on wood, no one has been murdered, and that is a different situation which brings the grief of the family more into the situation. I do feel sympathy for the Anthonys and I really don't have a problem with their mention of Casey, but I am somewhat puzzled at the emphasis on her and on 'them' as a 'unified' family. I've never been to a funeral or memorial that was as much about the family, their cohesiveness, their grief, as it was about the deceased's life. It just seemed odd.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I'm not sure this is an appropriate post here, but we were discussing Cindy as a controlling person, and I have been thinking about this quite a bit, and never really could put it ito words correctly. So here goes ... Cindy has probably always made all the decisions in the family ... including Casey keeping Caylee. When children are not allowed to make their own decisions (good or bad), or learn to become independent (taking responsibility for their actions), or when their opinions or decisions don't count, they become very immature, unable to cope with life on life's terms, and when confronted with an actual decision on their own, usually can't make one or make bad ones. Casey IMO was just a very angry girl, feeling controlled by her mom and the fact she had a responsibility (Caylee) that her mother insisted she keep, that she really didn't want. I had a very controlling mother and my life was all about pleasing her. Every decision I made was with her in mind. When I finally got out on my own, I was a lost soul. Don't get me wrong, this is NO excuse for what Casey has done. I was NOT physically abused, I was overprotected and babied and unable to cope with life. Not ever feeling good enough. I however, never committed a crime, and vowed to do differently with my girls, but I sure had a hard time learning those lessons. I was on a constant "mother guilt trip" If something "accidentally" happened to Caylee the thought of having her mother angry at her and knowing that she really was all the things that her mom said she was (unfit mother, etc. etc. etc.) could have been enough to lead to the lies and cover ups after the accident. Or maybe Casey was such an angry person and felt so controlled, she took it out on her daughter. Don't get me wrong, I think that Casey has some type of mental illness that has allowed her to justify in her mind what she has done, and she has already forgiven herself. Mental illness is not always something you are born with. It can come from dysfunction in a family. It's too bad the Anthony's did not recognize this before this tragedy happened, there certainly were signs of her instability, but they live in a constant world where they prefer to see what they want to see, instead of reality. Casey however needs to take responsibility for her actions, whether she gave her child to an unreliable baby-sitter, or hurt her. In my heart I know that everyone eventually pays a price for their misdeeds, and whether this dream team comes up with a great defense and gets her off, she will have to answer to someone greater than herself someday. I'm sure Cindy and my Mother did not do this out of malice, you teach what you learn.

Great post!!

Cindy herself is as disordered, if not more-so than her daughter which IMO would make her the last person able to recognize a like-illness in her daughter. She doesn't see her own behaviors and coping skills as flawed or dysfunctional why would she think Casey's are?

 

[magic-cat]

Well, if it was not blatantly obvious before today that THIS FAMILY IS UNITED and have one common goal, it certainly has come jumping out of Lee's deposition in living breathing color! They are united as one for one cause-

SAVE CASEY at ANY cost!

 

[OneLostGrl]

Well, if it was not blatantly obvious before today that THIS FAMILY IS UNITED and have one common goal, it certainly has come jumping out of Lee's deposition in living breathing color! They are united as one for one cause-

SAVE CASEY at ANY cost!

No kidding! Pretty scary, huh?

 

[Lexington]

This family is united - united in full support of her murderer. What a message to deliver in a eulogy for a child murdered at the hand of her demon mother. They are all sick.

 

[passionflower]

This family is united - united in full support of her murderer. What a message to deliver in a eulogy for a child murdered at the hand of her demon mother. They are all sick.

AGREE WITH YOU 100%.......why are they ABOVE the law???
If that was me, I'd be in jail, my town doesn't tip toe around........IMO

 

[magic-cat]

I personally would rather stand alone and in RIGHTEOUSNESS and TRUTH-isolated than to feel united by lies and untruth and in defense of a baby killer.

 

[TxMother67]

This family is united - united in full support of her murderer. What a message to deliver in a eulogy for a child murdered at the hand of her demon mother. They are all sick.

This circus gets more heartbreaking everyday. Caylee has been robbed by her own family in life and in death.

 

[zippitydoda]

I’ve become so addicted to this site and reading all of your theories and sleuthing. Almost daily, another twist or turn reveals another alledged mystery to this sad story.

I believe this group will do and say anything that might save one of their own. It sickened me to watch Lee’s video and I had to turn it off. I made about half way through his transcripts before I closed the file. It’s all nonsense. I am convinced it’s now all about saving Casey.

Some people might say the Anthony’s are not savvy players, but they have shown me that they can filibuster with the best of them. Confusion and mystery is what can buy Casey time.

We’ve seen this performance by many families before, when they’ve rallied around a member of their clan who was accused of doing something horrific. I won’t name names, but I recall famous families who have done this very successfully in the past and accomplished their goal. It’s a steadfast mantra of “not one of our own”. What they are doing is not unique, it a tried and true method of denying any and all responsibility or truth to serve their agenda.

May they riot in hell, and never have a days peace.

 

[spyhouston]

In my opinion, Yes, this family is united, but only in a desperate attempt to save KC. One thing I always go back to is GA's story about telling KC and Caylee goodbye on 6/16...GA stated that KC said goodbye like a normal day and that they would be staying with Zanny that night. Then, her story to LE was that at the end of her work day she went to Saltgrass to pick up Caylee. So, she wasn't planning to spend the night with Zanny? So GA's story or KC's story falls apart before it ever gets off the ground. The family is united in blocking out so many facts for all these months. I think one of the three will cave in before long and start speaking the truth. The pressure of remaining united will be too much to bear.

 

[Everly]

I think Lee misread his own notes and he meant to say "this family is untied."