Trial Discussion Thread #51 - 14.11.9, Day 41 ~announcement of the verdict~

[04009margaret]

Ulrich Roux @ulrichroux · 6s
Masipa:"The fact that person in the toilet was Reeva and not an intruder,is irrelevant.The accused had the intention to kill

 

[HauntsForHope]

would a reasonable man act in the same way?

 

[G.bng]

Love the "dot dot dot" instead of "suspension dots"!

 

[Really?]

why isn't OP puking now?

 

[kaydono]

Was it proven that time elapsed between the shots? If, so, would she have cried out after the first shot & he would have immediately realized it was HER behind the door.

 

[K.T]

Is she holding the door to an open season on intimate partner homicide? As long as there is an "OP" defense? We can hold that discussion for now, obviously. But just wonderin...

It seems so, as long as the accused has a "reasonably possibly true" story than most circumstantial evidence may be disregarded...I wonder if Gerard Baden-Clay in the SA courts would have been acquitted. His defense that his wife was suicidal and that the doubts about his untruthful and evasive testimony, taken from the accused best perspective, may have been not pointed to his guilt. Ugh.

 

[zwiebel]

J:...in oresent case accused is only oerson who can say what his state of mind was...has not admitted he intended to shoot and kill anyone, but court entitled to look...at presence or abscence of intention...

 

[PrimeSuspect]

would another reasonable person in OP place have acted in the same way?

Good question.

 

[believe09]

why isn't OP puking now?

because this is the best possible outcome for him.

 

[minor4th]

No evidence that OP's didn't believe that there was an intruder in the bathroom who threatened his and Reeva's safety

 

[believe09]

J:...in oresent case accused is only oerson who can say what his state of mind was...has not admitted he intended to shoot and kill anyone, but court entitled to look...at presence or abscence of intention...

Or accused testimony.

I will stop heckling...sorry

 

[atthelake]

He acted unlawfully!!!!

 

[zwiebel]

Judge is saying there is no evidence OP did not honestly believe there were intruders. Listing reasons, including bthroom window being open, but.... he acted unlawfully.

 

[jslk]

Oh God I've got to go out soon... Is it my imagination or is this going to wrap up a whole lot sooner than we imagined?!


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[minor4th]

Evidence doesn't support dolus eventualis.

Now it comes down to culpable homicide

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Was it proven that time elapsed between the shots? If, so, would she have cried out after the first shot & he would have immediately realized it was HER behind the door.

J Masipa believes that after the first shot in the hip, Reeva was unable to scream or make a sound.

 

[Trooper]

She is saying he could be reasonably expected to be fully aware of the consequences of pulling that trigger four times...

 

[KarenUK]

Can you pass the bottle over this way for a sec? Pretty lease:

And some over here please! Oh wait its 11:30am and I'm at work.... Can someone pass the Sprite?

 

[zwiebel]

J: evidence does not support state's contention of Dolus eventualis..saying because OP told ppl straight afterward he did not mean to kill Reeva, it's evidence he did not...

 

[ColonelMustard]

he's going to get time served.