TX - 10 deceased as a result of crowd surge at Astroworld festival, Houston, 5 Nov 2021

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tamsidea said:
And, most importantly, what was the plan to help calm the crowd once he was notified? I think we need to know that.
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If he had immediately stopped singing, then the music would have stopped, and he could have gotten on the mic to inform the crowd of the danger, tell them to stay still, and call for medical help. Like immediately.

Sure, it would have killed the vibe. Much better than killing his fans. A 14-year old? The mind boggles, the heart breaks. Maybe someone's life could have been spared.

Stormi had her own trailer. Maybe these very rich people need to be reminded that we regular folk love our kids just as much.
 
@Luna20, I agree his behavior is negligent as reported in several of the instances - specifically that he uses words and phrases that can incite dangerous behaviors. I disagree that this would not have happened if he had behaved differently otherwise how can we explain the other incidents that involved crowd crushing? Also by many reports, the crowd started surging toward the stage prior to his performance.
PS - Respectfully debating who we think is responsible as you and I are doing and/or trying to figure out what happened, is to me what WS is about. - not the other stuff.
 
tamsidea said:
@Luna20, I agree his behavior is negligent as reported in several of the instances - specifically that he uses words and phrases that can incite dangerous behaviors. I disagree that this would not have happened if he had behaved differently otherwise how can we explain the other incidents that involved crowd crushing? Also by many reports, the crowd started surging toward the stage prior to his performance.
PS - Respectfully debating who we think is responsible as you and I are doing and/or trying to figure out what happened, is to me what WS is about. - not the other stuff.
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They surged toward the stage before his performance because he started a countdown clock.
 
@Gardenista, yes I saw the op ed that suggested that the clock added to the hype - BUT truly, can we say TS made that call and is to blame for that part? If so, can we say he should have known what that extra hype would start? Seems likely those will be questions the investigation will try to answer.
 
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musicaljoke said:
It seems very soon to be posting his picture online. Surely they could wait a few days to find out if anyone will be reporting him missing.
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Ooh yeah, I feel guilty for having seen the photo even though I had no nefarious intentions. Was just reading the news. Usually it's weeks or months or years before we see a photo of the UID person during life. This was too quick.

I feel so, so bad for him and for his family. Sounds like he was just taking himself on a fun little mini-trip. I'm so sorry this happened.
 
Arkay said:
The only time I've ever been in a crowd that I felt would crush us was in a very different circumstance. It's 37 years later and I still remember.

We were at Great Adventures and there was a concert by a 60s group. I had a two-year old in a stroller and my friend had her one-year old in his. We somehow got caught in a crush between the first show letting out and people gathering for the second show.

I couldn’t hold onto the stroller, so I picked my daughter up and actually had trouble keeping her head above the crowd and trying to drag the stroller. My friend and I tried to stay together but the force of the crowd separated us. It took about 20 minutes to emerge and it was truly frightening.

My point is that this was a crowd of parents and little kids in an amusement park. NOT a concert, NOT people high, NOT people storming barricades, NOT a singer encouraging people to go wild. And yet it felt like life and death.

I can’t even picture how scared these people were and how the atmosphere and Travis encouraged this behavior. I hope lawsuits and prison follow.
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I'm sorry you experienced this! How truly horrifying!
 
On his 2018 song “Stargazing,” the rapper reveled in his crowds’ heaving energy: ”it ain’t a mosh pit if ain’t no injuries.” Yet the 30-year-old rapper is also one of the most successful figures in contemporary hip-hop, an endorsement-friendly business mogul in the vein of Jay-Z and Puff Daddy, and one of a handful of rap artists who can headline major festivals. His reputation as an incendiary live performer arguably exceeds his recorded music as the main driver of his current popularity.
But that penchant for inspiring chaos onstage has led to troubling situations, long before Friday’s Astroworld crowd-stampede disaster that killed eight people and left numerous concert-goers injured in Houston.

Scott has twice faced criminal charges related to inciting crowds into over-heated fervors. Before the incident in Arkansas, the rapper pleaded guilty in 2015 to charges of reckless conduct, after cajoling fans at Lollapalooza to climb over barricades and onto the stage with him during his show at the Chicago festival.

“Everyone in a green shirt get the f— back,” Scott said, referencing the festival’s security staff. “Middle finger up to security right now.” He then led the crowd in a chant of “We want rage.” (Scott often refers to his fans as “ragers.”)
Scott’s set lasted barely five minutes, whereupon he fled the scene and was soon apprehended by local police. A judge ordered him under court supervision for a year following his guilty plea.
For Travis Scott, a history of chaos at concerts, followed by a night of unspeakable tragedy
 
In April 2017, a man named Kyle Green sued Scott after he attended a show at Terminal 5 in New York City, where Green claims fans pushed him off an upper-deck balcony. A different fan jumped from the same balcony in a widely seen video, after Scott pointed him out and encouraged him to leap off. “I see you, but are you gonna do it?” Scott said from the stage. “They gonna catch you. Don’t be scared. Don’t be scared!”

Green was left partially paralyzed by the incident. Reached by Rolling Stone after the Astroworld incident, an attorney for Green said that he’s ”devastated and heartbroken for the families of those who were killed and for those individuals who were severely injured. He’s even more incensed by the fact that it could have been avoided had Travis learned his lesson in the past and changed his attitude about inciting people to behave in such a reckless manner.”

In 2019, Scott wrote “DA YOUTH DEM CONTROL THE FREQUENCY,” on an Instagram video of fans storming barricades at one of his shows. “EVERYONE HAVE FUN. RAGERS SET TONE WHEN I COME OUT TONIGHT. BE SAFE RAGE HARD. AHHHHHHHHHHH.” Three people were hospitalized following a crowd stampede over security barriers at the 2019 edition of the Astroworld Festival.
For Travis Scott, a history of chaos at concerts, followed by a night of unspeakable tragedy
 
tamsidea said:
@Luna20, I agree his behavior is negligent as reported in several of the instances - specifically that he uses words and phrases that can incite dangerous behaviors. I disagree that this would not have happened if he had behaved differently otherwise how can we explain the other incidents that involved crowd crushing? Also by many reports, the crowd started surging toward the stage prior to his performance.
PS - Respectfully debating who we think is responsible as you and I are doing and/or trying to figure out what happened, is to me what WS is about. - not the other stuff.
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Based on his previous history I dont see a reason to attribute fault elsewhere. It doesn’t mean that people will never try to start the crush thing at his or other venues but I can assure that if it’s not supported there can be imposed ramifications for it making people think twice about it.

There are more than a few things I can think of that he could have put in place. First by condemning the dangerous behavior and saying that his fans will be escorted out if any chaos ensues in advance. Second he certainly has the funds to plant a team of stage hands throughout the crowd to alert a point person on stage to immediately stop him from performing if necessary. Neither of which I imagine he would like but it’s better than tragedy and law suits.

It will be interesting to see what if any precautions he will take from here.
 
I’m dating myself but my husband and I went to several Farm Aid concerts sponsored by Willie Nelson in the 90’s. They were outdoor concerts. There was NO crowd control whatsoever. Even back then I remember wondering what would happen if there was a medical emergency. There was no way a medical worker would have made their way into the crowd to help someone. This was in the 90’s. I do know that no performer was urging anyone in the crowd to be belligerent or aggressive. But the setup was alarming nevertheless.
 
Were the deaths all in the same spot? :( It looked far back from the stage, I thought the people were being pushed up towards the front stage?
 
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