Found Deceased TX - Caleb Harris, 21, Texas A&M University student, Corpus Christi, 4 Mar 2024 #4

[azure]

So, hypothetically, did Caleb perhaps find the manhole cover off of its hole and decide to go inside, only to be trapped by someone coming and putting it back? Did he remove it himself?

Or did someone else know of this place and thought of it earlier as a body disposal spot? This is the idea I keep having (because I still believe he met up with someone he thought he knew or was a neighbor, etc).

Sounds like the rumor mill is running as usual - and I'm guessing, like most of you, that CH's body has been found. Horrifyingly sad in any case.

I think the unproven theory that Caleb was on mushrooms and wandering around and fell into the manhole makes the most sense. It's similar to the David Schulz case. Misadventure makes no sense until you add in a substance that makes a person nonsensical.

 

[Janitor101]

I thought that removing a manhole cover required the use of some sort of special tool but then again, it maybe dependent on how large the manhole cover itself is. Do we know for certain that investigators identified a manhole in the area that had been left uncovered?

I'm leaning more towards this event being more accidental or possibly even intentional vs a meet up gone wrong. The area was very close to Caleb's apartment and I'm assuming the area had to have been crawling with police and search parties for some time after he went missing. A perpetrator would have to be crazy lurking in the area searching for a body disposal site considering the increased amount of media attention focused on Caleb's case.

 

[swanniee11]

The article was about volunteers from the Uvalde foundation coming to town to search for Caleb, which implies that it was not his body found in the well (obviously truthfully we don't know either way yet).

The article goes on to say, "City water employees were doing maintenance in the area on June 24 when they discovered human remains in a wastewater collection well, the Corpus Christi Police Department said. The remains were too decomposed to identify, according to the Nueces County Medical Examiner’s Office."

Then, "Authorities aren’t sure how Harris’ body ended up in the well or how long it had been there", when the article just said the remains were too decomposed to identify. Oof is for bad reporting.

Thank you, I was confused if it was confirmed that it was Caleb or not. Bad reporting at this point until confirmed either way. IMO

 

[Ressler]

Im pretty sure Newsnation is not an approved source, correct me if I’m wrong? In the Riley Strain discussion, my post was deleted when I linked an interview done by them with the family’s friend/rep who was also present during the press conference with LE. Mods?

 

[SMK777]

Im pretty sure Newsnation is not an approved source, correct me if I’m wrong? In the Riley Strain discussion, my post was deleted when I linked an interview done by them with the family’s friend/rep who was also present during the press conference with LE. Mods?

I actually thought that it was an approved source, but maybe I’m wrong.

 

[JackieBrown]

This excerpt of “The Consult” podcast (Profiling Concepts -11/12/21) three former FBI Profilers discuss the idea of staging/moving a body. It relates to the theories posted over the past week -whether the remains got there via misadventure or were intentionally placed there by an unknown person.

“Staging often occurs when the offender believes that if the true nature of the crime were discovered, they'd be prioritized as a suspect. And staging is really high risk.

As an offender, you're spending more time at a crime scene, which is counterintuitive. You know, your contact with a crime scene, both in duration and in amount, it puts you at a rising level of risk. The longer you spend at a crime scene and the more that you're in physical contact with the crime scene, the more likely it is that you'll be apprehended.

Yet an individual who engages in staging has decided that if they don't take this extra time to put things in place that will create a different impression than what really occurred. If they don't do this, they're going to be caught. They have to increase their risk and go against what would normally be good common sense for a criminal is to minimize your contact with a crime scene.

They have to have a little bit more involvement with the crime scene with the hope that investigators or whoever comes upon this crime scene will not see the real motive […]”

“If the offender has no connection to the victim, they would most likely flee immediately and avoid having continued contact with the crime scene. Moving a body.

Think about it. You've killed someone and then you're going to spend extra time putting them into the trunk of your car and driving. I mean, imagine the feeling of doing something like that.

You wouldn't do it if you didn't need to. If you didn't think there was going to be a connection made if the police saw the scene for what it was.

There is a term called no body homicide where someone is thought to be missing and lo and behold, it turns out that they're actually the victims of a homicide. And just as you said, Julia, if the body is obscured, then someone had an extreme interest in either preventing or delaying the discovery of the murder and would rather have the impression that this victim disappeared. And if they disappeared, then there are more suspects or countless suspects that it could have been if they were foul play.

“When these things happen and it's discovered that, in fact, that it is a murder, almost in any case I can think of, it is someone who is intimately involved with this victim and knows that the discovery of their status as a murdered person will prioritize them as a suspect.”

From The Consult: Real FBI Profilers: Profiling Concepts, Nov 12, 2021

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‎Show The Consult: Real FBI Profilers, Ep Profiling Concepts - Nov 12, 2021

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[SMK777]

This excerpt of “The Consult” podcast (Profiling Concepts -11/12/21) three former FBI Profilers discuss the idea of staging/moving a body. It relates to the theories posted over the past week -whether the remains got there via misadventure or were intentionally placed there by an unknown person.

“Staging often occurs when the offender believes that if the true nature of the crime were discovered, they'd be prioritized as a suspect. And staging is really high risk.

As an offender, you're spending more time at a crime scene, which is counterintuitive. You know, your contact with a crime scene, both in duration and in amount, it puts you at a rising level of risk. The longer you spend at a crime scene and the more that you're in physical contact with the crime scene, the more likely it is that you'll be apprehended.

Yet an individual who engages in staging has decided that if they don't take this extra time to put things in place that will create a different impression than what really occurred. If they don't do this, they're going to be caught. They have to increase their risk and go against what would normally be good common sense for a criminal is to minimize your contact with a crime scene.

They have to have a little bit more involvement with the crime scene with the hope that investigators or whoever comes upon this crime scene will not see the real motive […]”

“If the offender has no connection to the victim, they would most likely flee immediately and avoid having continued contact with the crime scene. Moving a body.

Think about it. You've killed someone and then you're going to spend extra time putting them into the trunk of your car and driving. I mean, imagine the feeling of doing something like that.

You wouldn't do it if you didn't need to. If you didn't think there was going to be a connection made if the police saw the scene for what it was.

There is a term called no body homicide where someone is thought to be missing and lo and behold, it turns out that they're actually the victims of a homicide. And just as you said, Julia, if the body is obscured, then someone had an extreme interest in either preventing or delaying the discovery of the murder and would rather have the impression that this victim disappeared. And if they disappeared, then there are more suspects or countless suspects that it could have been if they were foul play.

“When these things happen and it's discovered that, in fact, that it is a murder, almost in any case I can think of, it is someone who is intimately involved with this victim and knows that the discovery of their status as a murdered person will prioritize them as a suspect.”

From The Consult: Real FBI Profilers: Profiling Concepts, Nov 12, 2021

‎The Consult: Real FBI Profilers: Profiling Concepts on Apple Podcasts

‎Show The Consult: Real FBI Profilers, Ep Profiling Concepts - Nov 12, 2021

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This is very illuminating.
It makes an accident seem more likely.
And if Caleb DID meet with foul play, and was placed in the lift station system, it would mean that the killer took extraordinary risk by not just leaving him. Someone “intimately” involved with him, as the above states — close to him, not a random hookup.

 

[x_files]

This is very illuminating.
It makes an accident seem more likely.
And if Caleb DID meet with foul play, and was placed in the lift station system, it would mean that the killer took extraordinary risk by not just leaving him. Someone “intimately” involved with him, as the above states — close to him, not a random hookup.

All his roommates have airclad albis?
What about any bullies or enemies locally?
Anyone harrassing him online?
I'd look into those closest to him first and expand.

 

[SMK777]

All his roommates have airclad albis?
What about any bullies or enemies locally?
Anyone harrassing him online?
I'd look into those closest to him first and expand.

Right, what the FBI profiler said in that article would, barring accidental death, make me think of a roommate. But law enforcement has stated implicitly that they have been fully cleared.

 

[Imvp2]

Does anyone know if his parents visited regularly or did he go home with any regularity?

 

[Muddy K]

Does anyone know if his parents visited regularly or did he go home with any regularity?

I don't know anything about how often family came to visit or Caleb went home, but I do recall that his mother had gone to visit him at the apartment the weekend that he went missing.

 

[Sundog]

Does anyone know if his parents visited regularly or did he go home with any regularity?

They seem to be a very close family and we know that Caleb shared a love for fishing with his father, so it is likely that they fished together, probably in the area where Caleb lived as it is an area with great fishing as has been posted on this thread early on. Also, we know that Caleb's mother had just visited recently and that Caleb and his sister had gone fishing together recently. Caleb and his father were talking on the phone the night before Caleb went missing, talking about various lures and/or fish bait that Caleb had planned for his fishing expedition on the Monday that he disappeared. Caleb also sent his sister a social media communication when he was out walking the new dog in the early morning hours of Monday when he disappeared.

IIRC, Caleb's roommates also knew Caleb's parents, so it sounds like they spent time together frequently.


Edited to add: Caleb's sister had visited recently and they had gone wade fishing together near his apartment.

 

[Imvp2]

I don't know anything about how often family came to visit or Caleb went home, but I do recall that his mother had gone to visit him at the apartment the weekend that he went missing.

How frightening for her

 

[x_files]

Right, what the FBI profiler said in that article would, barring accidental death, make me think of a roommate. But law enforcement has stated implicitly that they have been fully cleared.

So someone he knows NOT roommates, or someone who stalked him online, has a digital trail so is worried about a connection.

 

[SMK777]

So someone he knows NOT roommates, or someone who stalked him online, has a digital trail so is worried about a connection.

In the unlikely event that it was not an accident, and that someone placed him in the sewage system, then according to the FBI profiler sited above, yes — someone very worried about covering up some kind of connection.

 

[mmeynstyn]

So someone he knows NOT roommates, or someone who stalked him online, has a digital trail so is worried about a connection.

Hmmmm, what about the friend that was with them that night but left before CH ordered food? Was he CH's friend or one of the roommate's friend? Just thinking out loud.

Now that I think about that....IF he was a roommate friend, it would seem the roommate might notice some unsettled behavior after that night. (I admit, after I wrote that, I was not convinced. LOL)

 

[mmeynstyn]

I think the unproven theory that Caleb was on mushrooms and wandering around and fell into the manhole makes the most sense. It's similar to the David Schulz case. Misadventure makes no sense until you add in a substance that makes a person nonsensical.

IMO, I also think this may be the most plausible theory. Although I am still struggling with a fall into a manhole. Has it been confirmed that a body could make its way to the tank from the manhole? We've had several discussions about the size of pipes, water flows, etc. I may have missed the direct path between the manhole to the tank.

IMO, from what I've read and seen in photos about his possible urban explorations, I think he might have been curious about the tank house. One of the things that still leaves me questioning all this is why he would walk all that way in bare feet. However, other sleuths have indicated it is not completely unheard of though...so, just because I wouldn't.

With all that said, this is only relevant if the body is CH. I need patience.

 

[Janitor101]

Great short video of how a lift station works.

m.youtube.com/watch?v

 

[Bigditch]

Katie Smith of Newsnation. "You suck", check your copy before you print it. (Or name your source).

 

[slowpoke]

Great short video of how a lift station works.

m.youtube.com/watch?v

I don’t see the video. Is it just me?